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[harrisk954]

Wow, Uncharted 4 flopped hard. Guess VG247 were right after all.

It's not UC4, it is the UC:ND Collection... and it is not part of these numbers as it came out in October.

 

[onanie]

Yes, I have problem with winning when i comes to sales. Shouldn't that be phrased differently?

Losing?

 

[allan-bh]

Disappointing sales for MGS V. Even if digital sales is something like 20%, still is lower than I was expecting.

 

[harrisk954]

Uncharted 4 comes out November 10th.

UC4 comes out on March 18, 2016

FO4 comes out November 10th,

 

[Obliterator]

The playoffs always are.

Yes indeed. Now that the boring pre season and months of PS4 minor "regular season" victories are over we can deal with the "real stakes."

We all know 9 months of the year don't matter and never bet against Xbox in the post season

 

[Larogue]

I think it will be quite hard for Microsoft to win October this year. Forza didn't generate enough hype, Halo fans still bittersweet from the MCC experience. So maybe a tie or a slight edge.

However, November gonna be an easy one for them.

 

[Omnistalgic]

It's not UC4, it is the UC:ND Collection... and it is not part of these numbers as it came out in October.

It was a joke...

A pretty bad one, as it went over my head as well since its September but whatever, stop quoting it ppl lol

 

[Kyoufu]

I think it will be quite hard for Microsoft to win October this year. Forza didn't generate enough hype, Halo fans still bittersweet from the MCC experience. So maybe a tie or a slight edge.

However, November gonna be an easy one for them.

What happens in November that makes it an easy win for them and not October when Halo 5, their biggest exclusive is released?

I'm failing to understand your logic here, so please explain.

 

[sörine]

You're missing my point. Forget the exact figures for a moment, the original argument was that software sales in RotW can be quite substantial, possibly as high as one of the big 3, selling 300k or 600k in RotW doesn't change that argument one bit, the only thing that changes this argument is if Blooodborne somehow sold nearly as well digitally as it did on retail, which is unprecedented.

It doesn't though because the scattered retail figures we do get aren't even complete or regionally comprehensive for retail itself. So ROW could very well go from "equals USA" to "less than half of USA" which isn't the same thing at all. And if digital nearly matched accounted retail like you joke, then ROW would be like -600k (lol).

 

[Deku Tree]

So Destiny continues to sell better on Xbox at retail not including bundles, but September was the best month in the history of PSN store so Destiny TTK probably sold massively on PS digital.


Is that about right?

 

[Javin98]

I think it will be quite hard for Microsoft to win October this year. Forza didn't generate enough hype, Halo fans still bittersweet from the MCC experience. So maybe a tie or a slight edge.

However, November gonna be an easy one for them.

Wait, what? If anything, it will be very hard for Microsoft to win November. Sony has bundles for two of the biggest games in November, with one bundle priced at $349 with Battlefront included. Are you talking about last November by any chance?

 

[mejin]

I'm not underestimating that. I think it'll be a pretty massive for the PS4 too. But I suppose it's hard to tell with the limited data we have (which is really only just Amazon and select retail insiders).



If I had to bet on something, it would be Halo 5. I wouldn't rule out Star Wars simply because of Force Awakens hype (that damn trailer was so good) but I think the Xbox brand in the NA at this point is largely Halo driven.

Spencer is doing a relatively good job on Xbox image but I still don't feel Xbox brand as strong as last gen. I just want to point it out this. Forza is an example since it was one of the strongest ips Microsft had on X360.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I think Halo 5 releases too late in the month to overcome PS4's price drop. Plus a TON of Halo fans, especially the type who consider the series a system-seller, already took the plunge last year with the price drops + MCC + the Halo 5 Beta.

Only the MCC sold like shit compared to mainline Halo, indicating that not many hardcore fans bought a One just to play it.

 

[KidJr]

I remember there were people who swore blind that MS would never let Sony take the lead in US.

 

[Jigorath]

I expect a $299 Xbone announcement any day now.

 

[Curufinwe]

So Destiny continues to sell better on Xbox at retail not including bundles, but September was the best month in the history of PSN store so Destiny TTK probably sold massively on PS digital.


Is that about right?

I believe me actually got the Destiny split this month and it was 40% PS4, 42% X1.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

UC4 comes out on March 18, 2016

FO4 comes out November 10th,

I was joking bro. Tomb Raider comes out November 10th too.

 

[Larogue]

What happens in November that makes it an easy win for them and not October when Halo 5, their biggest exclusive is released?

I'm failing to understand your logic here, so please explain.

Halo 5 gonna be released by 27 of October, so it kinda has its market effect carried into November.

So I think they have next month secured with the combination of Halo 5 being out almost before November, the release of Rise of The Tomb Raider. Plus whatever aggressive holiday price reduction/deals they have in store for this year.

 

[Obliterator]

I remember there were people who swore blind that MS would never let Sony take the lead in US.

Well if you only count the post season thats technically still true overall

 

[Kyoufu]

Halo 5 gonna be released by 27 of October, so it kinda has its market effect carried into November.

So I think they have next month secured with the combination of Halo 5 being out almost before November, the release of Rise of The Tomb Raider. Plus whatever aggressive holiday price reduction/deals they have in store for this year.

I don't think Tomb Raider is going to do anything for anyone. It's out on the same day as Fallout 4, which Microsoft is also marketing. Total failure on their part. I see RotTR being completely buried.

 

[Obliterator]

I don't think Tomb Raider is going to do anything for anyone. It's out on the same day as Fallout 4, which Microsoft is also marketing. Total failure on their part. I see RotTR being completely buried.

Yeah TR is probably gonna be a certified bomba

 

[allan-bh]

So Destiny continues to sell better on Xbox at retail not including bundles, but September was the best month in the history of PSN store so Destiny TTK probably sold massively on PS digital.


Is that about right?

Destiny TTK sold massively on PS Network and Xbox Live because it's an expansion.

 

[mckmas8808]

Didn't say it's not going to make them money.

You should check out the business concept known as "opportunity cost"

Then it will make sense to you.

I still disagree. They might have taken the opportunity cost route, but there's no making me believe that it was the only way it had to be.

They couldn't offload the game to another developer and assume less risk? Either way I'm half way through the story of MGS5 and honestly I LOVE IT, but it also should be the last game.

And I'm glad Kojima will finally get to do something else.

 

[onanie]

I remember there were people who swore blind that MS would never let Sony take the lead in US.

Preseason takes care of that.

 

[Javin98]

Halo 5 gonna be released by 27 of October, so it kinda has its market effect carried into November.

So I think they have next month secured with the combination of Halo 5 being out almost before November, the release of Rise of The Tomb Raider. Plus whatever aggressive holiday price reduction/deals they have in store for this year.

LOL, RotTR is gonna bomb, mainly because Microsoft seems to have abandoned it with little marketing. Releasing on the same day as Fallout 4 is also a horrible decision. In short, RotTR will very likely do pretty badly in the US and since it is exclusive to XBox this holiday season, everywhere else too. Fallout 4 and its bundles, on the other hand, could potentially do very well. Even then, I think Sony has a solid chance of winning the holidays.

 

[gatti-man]

So Destiny continues to sell better on Xbox at retail not including bundles, but September was the best month in the history of PSN store so Destiny TTK probably sold massively on PS digital.


Is that about right?

Seems right to me. Wish we had hard numbers. Quick someone sue Bungie so we can get some damn sales numbers!

 

[Alo0oy]

It doesn't though because the scattered retail figures we do get aren't even complete or regionally comprehensive for retail itself. So ROW could very well go from "equals USA" to "less than half of USA" which isn't the same thing at all. And if digital nearly matched accounted retail like you joke, then ROW would be like -600k (lol).

Even selling half as well as the US makes RotW substantial, that's the point I was making. The US is the biggest consoles market in the world, while software sales regional splits vary depending on genre, in general the US is still the biggest market, & even if RotW software sales are half the US, that's still very substantial, even though it's extremely likely that it's much higher than just half the US. Incomplete numbers due to Canada or smaller European markets don't change that, Canada + European markets not tracked by Gfk + digital sales in the US & EU are still very likely <600k.

 

[Deku Tree]

I believe me actually got the Destiny split this month and it was 40% PS4, 42% X1.

Destiny TTK sold massively on PS Network and Xbox Live because it's an expansion.

Yup. Thx.

 

[donny2112]

Well if we are correct about the gap being 810k then that would mean a gap increase of 52k this month. Sooooo if if a gap of 8.29% on the chart is = 52k then that would mean

WiiU = 76k
XB1 = 250k
PS4 = 302k

Then that means these numbers and the 810K gap from last month can't be right.

&#8220;The majority of hardware platforms increased their sales from August 2015 to September 2015 when comparing sales on a per week basis,&#8221; said Callahan. &#8220;All eighth generation consoles [which includes PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U] experienced double-digit growth when comparing sales on a per-week basis.&#8221;

http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/19/september-2015-npd-ps4-wins/

XB1 sold 50K per week last month, so they had to sell at least 55K per week this month or a minimum of 275K.

I had a gap of 804K after last month, which would result in the below values this month using simultaneous equations.

Spoiler

I still shake my head at those Facebook posts that taunt their Algebra teachers "When am I supposed to be using that algebra that was going to be so important?" Well, right here! lol

PS4 - 337K
XB1 - 279K (fits down YOY story)
WIU - 84K (~100% up MOM, which contradicts Nintendo's 110% MOM increase statement)

Wii U is still acting up, but maybe 1) we had last month a couple K off, 2) Nintendo using some funky rounding, or 3) NPD readjusted last month's figures with their "software upgrade" that delayed this month's release. It's at least a much more minor grievance than if we try to change PS4/XB1 to fit the other data. For predictions, we'd be using the below, then.

For prediction results:
PS4 - 340K
XB1 - 280K
3DS - 120K
WIU - 85K

5K multiples, since we don't have a real exact number for any of them. Any major problems with these figures?

 

[Kyoufu]

So apparently the Xbone Black Friday deal from Dell... Gears of War UE, Fallout 4, extra controller and headset for $300.

I said wat.

 

[biggersmaller]

I hope Metal Gear Solid V is missing Konami's projections by a big enough margin to avoid the temptation of making a sequel.

Say what you will about V and the ending, but it was a Kojima joint through and through. If people weren't pissed it wouldn't be Metal Gear.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Any major problems with these figures?

Only with 3DS
We know is under 129k, so i think 125k for this month should me more correct, you don't think?

 

[Fdkn]

Destiny added around 720k units to its LTD retail in the US. And a considerable amount more if we add digital legendary editions. 12 months after launch.

 

[Chobel]

Halo 5 gonna be released by 27 of October, so it kinda has its market effect carried into November.

So I think they have next month secured with the combination of Halo 5 being out almost before November, the release of Rise of The Tomb Raider. Plus whatever aggressive holiday price reduction/deals they have in store for this year.

It usually doesn't work like that, in this age almost everything has front-loaded effect, so the Halo biggest impact will happen in first 1-2 weeks. Aggressive holiday price reduction/deals... now these can make XBO win November yeah if Sony doesn't do anything to counter them (like last year).

LOL at you mentioning RoTTR, it has bomba written all over it.

 

[LOCK]

For prediction results:
PS4 - 340K
XB1 - 280K
3DS - 120K
WIU - 85K

5K multiples, since we don't have a real exact number for any of them. Any major problems with these figures?

This seems right. Maybe 125k for 3DS.

 

[Javin98]

For prediction results:
PS4 - 340K
XB1 - 280K
3DS - 120K
WIU - 85K

5K multiples, since we don't have a real exact number for any of them. Any major problems with these figures?

Yep, this works for me. Seems like these are the most accurate estimations for now. Although my predictions are still WAY off.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

So apparently the Xbone Black Friday deal from Dell... Gears of War UE, Fallout 4, extra controller and headset for $300.

I said wat.

Good grief.

Anyone planning on buying a console would be wise to just wait it out a bit longer.

 

[Forkball]

Mario Maker beat Minecraft.

NINTENDO RENNAISANCE INCOMING

 

[Chobel]

For prediction results:
PS4 - 340K
XB1 - 280K
3DS - 120K
WIU - 85K

5K multiples, since we don't have a real exact number for any of them. Any major problems with these figures?

Yeah there's one major problem with these... I won't be #1 if you use them

Use mine, they're the best IMO
[3DS] 100K
[PS4] 330K
[WIU] 55K
[XB1] 260K

 

[Purest 78]

What a childish thing to write. I hope to good you aren't a full fledged adult yet.

What was wrong with what he said?

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Good grief.

Anyone planning on buying a console would be wise to just wait it out a bit longer.

I'm definitely waiting. New console with two new games for $350 please.

 

[Obliterator]

LOL, RotTR is gonna bomb, mainly because Microsoft seems to have abandoned it with little marketing. Releasing on the same day as Fallout 4 is also a horrible decision. In short, RotTR will very likely do pretty badly in the US and since it is exclusive to XBox this holiday season, everywhere else too. Fallout 4 and its bundles, on the other hand, could potentially do very well. Even then, I think Sony has a solid chance of winning the holidays.

Not to mention the biggest retailer in the US isn't even carrying the TR bundle

 

[allan-bh]

Only with 3DS
We know is under 129k, so i think 125k for this month should me more correct, you don't think?

According to my math 120k is better for 25% YoY gain.

 

[allan-bh]

So apparently the Xbone Black Friday deal from Dell... Gears of War UE, Fallout 4, extra controller and headset for $300.

I said wat.

WOW...Amazing deal.

 

[donny2112]

Only with 3DS
We know is under 129k, so i think 125k for this month should me more correct, you don't think?

This seems right. Maybe 125k for 3DS.

3DS is a fairly loose figure, since we're going with YTD YOY increases in the midst of NPD changing old data, so I'm fine with 125K instead. (^_^)

According to my math 120k is better for 25% YoY gain.

Mine, too, but since we've been without a solid 3DS figure for a while now (just keep using YTD YOY increases), I'm okay with 125K, too.

 

[Chobel]

So apparently the Xbone Black Friday deal from Dell... Gears of War UE, Fallout 4, extra controller and headset for $300.

I said wat.

Holy shit! That's so good.

 

[BadWolf]

So apparently the Xbone Black Friday deal from Dell... Gears of War UE, Fallout 4, extra controller and headset for $300.

I said wat.

Holy freaking crap.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Destiny added around 720k units to its LTD retail in the US. And a considerable amount more if we add digital legendary editions. 12 months after launch.

That's insane.

 

[allan-bh]

Maybe John Harker can help with a baseline for the cream pie. If he appears later we can ask.

 

[Eggbok]

So apparently the Xbone Black Friday deal from Dell... Gears of War UE, Fallout 4, extra controller and headset for $300.

I said wat.

Black or White though?