Nvidia driver have been bad lately or it’s just me?

I noticed that DLSS4 update made my RTX4080S unstable at old OC settings (2925 MHz), but lowering OC by about 25MHz has fixed this issue completely. I think DLSS transformer is using tensor cores to the fullest, that's why people need to make sure that their card is running perfectly stable OC.
 
Hell I know that their gaming division makes less profit but GPUs is what made them big.
The AI boom isn't going to last forever.
 
Gaiff said:


Not just you. DF also said NVIDIA has been dropping the ball lately.
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They should sit down and fix their drivers instead of adding new stuff.

Nvidia app is crap and I have it permanently uninstalled at this point.

So far I'm using AC Shadows drivers without issued but when they appear I'm going back to December drivers.
 
Just rolled back my son's Nvidia drivers. He told me the screens were suddenly going black while playing games.

Suddenly really glad I bought AMD this round.
 
NVIDIA releases massive GPU driver update addressing stability and black screen issues

Fixed Gaming Bugs
  • [Fortnite] Random crashes during gameplay [5171520]
  • [The First Berserker: Khazan] DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED Crash [5195216]
  • [Star Wars Outlaws] Application will freeze after leaving the game idle for 5+ minutes [5191099]
  • Game stability issues when playing games with DLSS Frame Generation + GSYNC [5144337]
  • [Monster Hunter Wilds] Crash after accepting quest with DLSS-FG Enabled [5087795]
  • [InZOI] Game crashes with error "GPU crashed or D3D Device Removed" [5154864]
  • [Overwatch 2] Stutter when using VSYNC [5171856]
  • [Hellblade 2: Senua's Saga] Increased aliasing when using TSR [5125662]
  • [Hellblade 2: Senua's Saga] Crashing when using Smooth Motion [5209772]
  • [The Last of Us Part 1] Crash when using Smooth Motion [5208799]
  • Dithering/banding in some games on RTX 50-series GPUs [5121715]
  • [Control] Flickering corruption in multiple areas [5118876]
  • Stutter when using VSYNC [5202703][5202474]
  • VSYNC in NVCP + frame generation causes issues in DLSS 4 games [5124816]
  • [UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection] Artifacts on screen when collecting treasures [5158954]
Fixed General Bugs
  • Stability issues when using Windows 11 24H2 [5160948]
  • Bugcheck with PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA (50) when playing games with DLSS 4 multi-frame generation [5144337]
  • [RTX 50 series] GPUs crash with black screen/underflow [5160845]
  • [RTX 50 series] Random black screen issues [5090505]
  • General system stability issues [4921925]
  • [RTX 50 series] System hard hang with 572.16 driver loaded [5107271]
  • Compute Shader-related tests are failing due to "error" [4894179]
  • [HWBU][DT GB202/203][LG 27GN950 Specific] Display blacked out when applying 120Hz refresh rate [5044229]
  • PC display will not wake after extended sleep time [5131052]
  • Two DP outputs of the RTX 5090 will blue screen when trying to watch protected videos [5167145]
  • Black screen issue when testing 3D Mark with driver 572.02 and 572.16 [5095825]
  • Primary blank display showing blank after hot-plugging the display in daisy chain [4978206]
  • Display shows blank screen on setting RR 165/200Hz when daisy chain is enabled [5049227]
  • Second display showing blank when applying higher RR for second display when displays are connected in daisy chain [4956573]
  • Primary monitor (AORUS FO32U2P) goes blank when HPD/power cycles second display in Daisy chain [5075448]
  • [GeForce RTX 50 series] GPUs crash with black screen when playing graphically demanding games [5098914]
  • RTX 50 series displays blank screens on LG 5k2k 45GX950A-B when running in DisplayPort 2.1 mode with HDR [5192671]
  • Black screen on installing drivers and booting into Windows [5153642]
  • DP2.1 – UHBR10/13.5 link rates are unstable on LGE 27GX790A-B [5080789]
  • Multiple users reporting black screen issue when disabling the "FCH Spread Spectrum" settings [5204493]
  • [RTX 50 series] Slightly higher DPC latency may be observed on some system configurations [5168553]
  • [RTX 50 series] Varjo Aero VR headset may fail to establish connection [5117518]
  • Changing the state of "Display GPU Activity Icon in Notification Area" does not take effect until PC is rebooted [4995658]
  • [RTX 50 series] Display may show black screen when selecting DLDSR resolution [5144768]
  • [Octanebench] Performance regression [3523803]
  • [DaVinci Resolve] UI overlay in Fusion page is not displayed correctly [4974721]
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www.nvidia.com

Download The Latest Official GeForce Drivers

Download the latest official GeForce drivers to enhance your PC gaming experience and run apps faster.
www.nvidia.com
 
winjer said:
NVIDIA releases massive GPU driver update addressing stability and black screen issues



www.nvidia.com

Download The Latest Official GeForce Drivers

Download the latest official GeForce drivers to enhance your PC gaming experience and run apps faster.
www.nvidia.com
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This driver broke my MSI Afterburner integration. The temp within the app stops updating after my computer wakes from sleep. Several people on reddit and techpowerup have confirmed the same issue.

There's a hotfix for this.

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5650
 
I've been a Nvidia fanboy since decades as my last ATI card was bad.

My last 2070 lasted exactly to after the warranty ended, and now I just have so many bugs with Nvidia's recent patches.

My GPU goes crazy rampant over the most basic games and I am hesitant to update my GPU drivers.
 
The_Mike said:
I've been a Nvidia fanboy since decades as my last ATI card was bad.

My last 2070 lasted exactly to after the warranty ended, and now I just have so many bugs with Nvidia's recent patches.

My GPU goes crazy rampant over the most basic games and I am hesitant to update my GPU drivers.
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Gpu-z run stone benchmarks and check sensors tab to see if you have thermal problems.

Repaste and new thermal pads depending on where if/it shows
 
Thebonehead said:
Gpu-z run stone benchmarks and check sensors tab to see if you have thermal problems.

Repaste and new thermal pads depending on where if/it shows
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Yeah I'm aware, but it's not in every game though.

My cpu is also really bottle necking my PC but still.
 
I just found out that the 50 series drivers have broken Uncharted 4 on PC. I get all sorts of artifacts when i look at the treasures and i see people report even more severe issues like black screens, etc.

So, another broken game due to bad drivers then.
 
The black screen issue is still happening for me and my 3090 :messenger_crying:
Never happens in-game, only occasionally when just using windows. Screen suddenly turns black for 2-3 sec then comes back.
 
Celcius said:
The black screen issue is still happening for me and my 3090 :messenger_crying:
Never happens in-game, only occasionally when just using windows. Screen suddenly turns black for 2-3 sec then comes back.
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i have a similar problem (3090 too) but im using 2 monitors. If i turn my pc on before my 2 monitors, sometimes i get the black screen. to make it come back from the black screen i have to unplug 1 monitor. other times i have to restart. to avoid that problem i must turn on my 2 monitors beforme my pc.
 
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Reports from GeForce forum users indicate that the two most recent NVIDIA drivers, 581.80 WHQL and 581.57, no longer work correctly with three older Forza games: Forza Motorsport 6 Apex, Forza Motorsport 7 and Forza Horizon 3. Players are seeing error AP204 stating that the GPU is not compatible, even on new hardware such as the GeForce RTX 5090. Rolling back to previous 580 branch appears to restore normal operation.

An NVIDIA representative, Manuel Guzman, replied in the official 581.80 feedback thread and confirmed that the issue can be reproduced internally. He added that the team will check whether anything can be done, but also warned that a fix is not guaranteed, hinting that the cause may involve checks inside the games themselves that are outside NVIDIA's direct control.
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These Forza titles are now quite old and have not received updates for years. Forza Motorsport 6 Apex last saw a patch in 2016, Forza Horizon 3 in 2018 and Forza Motorsport 7 in 2019, so new game patches to address driver changes seem unlikely. For now, anyone who still plays these games and encounters the AP204 error may need to stay on driver 576.88 or earlier, while those who do not rely on them can proceed with the new Game Ready 581.80 WHQL release.

Source: NVIDIA Forums
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winjer said:
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Gotta love these guys for trying everything they can to get more hits.
The proper headline here would be "Older Forza games don't work properly on newer drivers", and if the author would do some research they'd find out that it's not just "older" Forza games but also not so older ones like FH5 which Playground just can't be bothered to patch to work properly on DX12 API.
 
dgrdsv said:
Gotta love these guys for trying everything they can to get more hits.
The proper headline here would be "Older Forza games don't work properly on newer drivers", and if the author would do some research they'd find out that it's not just "older" Forza games but also not so older ones like FH5 which Playground just can't be bothered to patch to work properly on DX12 API.
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What are you talking about? The title of that article is:

"NVIDIA's latest Game Ready drivers break support for older Forza titles"

 
PC gaming has been a bit tough lately with both Nvidia and MS dropping some low-quality updates/patches. The latter being the absolute worst, breaking more shit than they fix.
 
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PC master race.

Computer Delete GIF
 
winjer said:
Nvidia drivers supported these games for years, and now they don't.
It was a decision made by nvidia.
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Nvidia driver was also not following D3D12 spec, possibly b/c they were fixing shit after developers who couldn't be bothered to patch their games.
This is a finite option though and now it's ending.
 
winjer said:
Nvidia drivers supported these games for years, and now they don't.
It was a decision made by nvidia.
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dgrdsv said:
Nvidia driver was also not following D3D12 spec, possibly b/c they were fixing shit after developers who couldn't be bothered to patch their games.
This is a finite option though and now it's ending.
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In the end, it was Microsoft's fault. They updated the Videocardz article.

Update: Microsoft has confirmed that the recent Forza launch issues are not caused by GeForce drivers. The problem affects all GPU vendors and started after the September 29 Windows update, which introduced a new D3D12 runtime.

According to Microsoft, the bug appears when the game detects support for Tiled Resources Tier 4. Systems that do not expose Tier 4 support are unaffected. This includes hardware without Tier 4, older drivers that do not advertise Tier 4, or Windows 10/11 builds that predate the 23H2 feature set. On those systems, the three affected Forza titles continue to run as before.

Microsoft will deliver a fix in a future Windows update. No game patches or driver hotfixes have been announced so far.
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StueyDuck said:
Well I guess if youve never had then its literally impossible for issues to occur.

www.tomshardware.com

Microsoft rushes out emergency Windows 11 patch after botched update breaks Recovery — restores USB keyboard and mouse input inside WinRE for Windows 11 versions 24H2 and 25H2

KB5070773 fixes a WinRE bug introduced by October’s cumulative update.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

Barely a month ago...

But again youve never had an issue
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Cool. Didn't affect me. What more in that vast list of things that break more than fix??
 
rodrigolfp said:
Google is telling me that the vast majority of stuff just works.
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I can tell you really think you are "winning" here with some gotcha but it really doesn't take much to disprove the theory that they drivers and updates are all super stable and do not incur any issues

so here, a quick bit of work done through CGPT for you.

NVIDIA — problematic drivers & GPU-related updates (selected, last 2 years)


  1. GeForce GRD 572.83 — black screens / hard crashes (Mar 2025)
    Symptoms: sudden black screen during install, boot or gameplay; hard system resets reported. Affected: many RTX 30/40/older cards in user reports. NVIDIA+1
  2. Driver releases around RTX-50 launch (Jan→Jun 2025) — instability on older cards
    Symptoms: multiple hotfixes required after RTX-50 generation launch — users saw random crashes, black/grey screens, DLSS/MFG issues, and game crashes. Several hotfix drivers were pushed in quick succession. The Verge+1
  3. GRD 576.x hotfix churn (576.02 → 576.15 → 576.26; Jun–Jul 2025) — display/flicker/DP2.1 problems
    Symptoms: flicker, DP 2.1 monitor black screens (LG DP2.1 reports), multi-monitor greyscreens, stutter; multiple rapid hotfixes followed initial regression. The Verge+1
  4. GRD 576.80 (Jun 17, 2025) — serious stutter / performance regressions (user reports)
    Symptoms: severe stutter in games after update; some users recommended rolling back. Affected: varied GPU generations. NVIDIA
  5. GRD 580→581 series (Summer–Aug 2025) — reports of FPS drops / instability
    Symptoms: game crashes, frame-drops and instability after updating to 580.x / 581.08 for some users; threads on forums show regression vs previous driver. NVIDIA+1
  6. Widespread black screen / daily hard crashes (rolling reports 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: recurring community reports of black screens and daily crashes even after rolling back (long-running issue across months). Affected: multiple GPU models; many forum threads. reddit.com+1
  7. Game-specific regressions (multiple drivers, 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: newer drivers sometimes break older games or cause errors (e.g., AP204 errors with older Forza titles after a recent driver). Workarounds: roll back driver to a specific version. Windows Central+1
  8. Driver → high CPU / nvcontainer bug (patching/hotfixes in 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: Nvidia container or driver processes eating CPU after gameplay — fixed quickly in hotfixes historically (example: previous iterations fixed by hotfix releases). Tom's Hardware+1
  9. Multi-component interactions causing instability (drivers + Windows updates, 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: combinations of Windows updates + GeForce drivers produced crashes, TDRs, or EAC/game client failures for some users — often required coordinated fixes from MS or game publishers. Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums+1
  10. Rapid hotfix cycle after new GPU launch — indicative of regressions (2025 RTX-50 era)
    Symptoms: several hotfix releases in quick succession addressing display, DLSS, and game crashes — evidence that initial drivers caused user-visible regressions requiring emergency fixes. The Verge


MICROSOFT — Windows / Update problems that caused critical issues (selected, last 2 years)


  1. Windows Update KB5041578 (Aug 13, 2024) — Windows Server 2019: very slow performance / high CPU
    Symptoms: CryptSvc high CPU, elevated disk I/O to catroot2, very slow app launches and boots; Microsoft documented the issue and later addressed it. Affected: Windows Server 2019 (and some analogous desktop scenarios). Microsoft Support+1
  2. Windows 11 — version 24H2 rollout (Oct/Nov 2024 → persistent issues through 2025)
    Symptoms: multiple stability problems (BSODs, taskbar freezes, game crashes/compatibility, slowdowns) reported across many devices; Microsoft tracked & posted known issues and subsequent fixes. Affected: broad Windows 11 install base. Microsoft Learn+1
  3. Windows 11 24H2 — broke several Ubisoft games (Nov 2024; compatibility hold)
    Symptoms: Assassin's Creed titles, Star Wars Outlaws, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora became unresponsive, black-screen or crashed after 24H2; Microsoft temporarily paused 24H2 offers on PCs with those games until fixes/hotfixes arrived. The Verge+1
  4. July 2025 cumulative updates (Windows 10/11) — severe slow boots / unresponsive PCs (user reports)
    Symptoms: laptops/desktops taking ages to become usable after login (reports of 5s to lock screen then 30+ minutes to usable), extreme lag, auto-reinstall of problematic update prevented simple uninstall as cure. Affected: Windows 10 & user reports on Windows 11. Microsoft Learn+1
  5. Wi-Fi / networking breakages after security/feature updates (2024–2025, multiple incidents)
    Symptoms: Wi-Fi adapters disabled, cannot connect after specific Windows Security / Defender updates; common troubleshooting was driver reinstall and network stack resets. Affected: varied laptops/desktops. Windows 11 Forum+1
  6. Audio breakages after updates (Jan 2025 and recurring complaints)
    Symptoms: audio devices stop producing sound, device manager shows issues; often required driver rollbacks or switching to generic drivers. Affected: many users after certain monthly updates. Microsoft Learn+1
  7. Windows Server boot/freeze/performance (Aug 2024 → fixed in Sept 2024 patches)
    Symptoms: August 2024 cumulative caused boot problems and freezes on some Server builds; Microsoft released fixes in subsequent cumulative updates. Affected: Windows Server 2019/other server builds. BleepingComputer+1
  8. Patch-Tuesday / cumulative updates causing broader app/game compatibility issues (rolling across 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: after certain cumulative updates, Easy Anti-Cheat or game clients crashed or resulted in bans/unexpected behavior; users reported forced rollbacks or waits for vendor patches. Affected: competitive games and EAC-protected titles. reddit.com+1
  9. Windows Update "safeguard" / holds & re-rollouts (2024–2025) — symptomatic of regressions
    Symptoms: Microsoft placed compatibility holds for devices with specific apps/games and then later pushed fixes; this pattern shows sizable regressions that required automatic blocking of the update for certain configurations. Examples: 24H2 Ubisoft hold. guru3D Forums+1
  10. Userland reports & community threads documenting persistent regressions (2024–2025)
    Symptoms: large subreddit/forum threads describing daily unresponsiveness, inability to update safely, and mixed success with rollbacks — demonstrates the real user impact and non-isolated nature of these problems. reddit.com+1

now that was a 2 second response from AI , i am not going to go and do your research for you, it's ludicrous to pretend like these companies aren't introducing issues with their slap dash patches (Microsoft especially). I don't know who you are white knighting for but it just looks silly.
 
StueyDuck said:
I can tell you really think you are "winning" here with some gotcha but it really doesn't take much to disprove the theory that they drivers and updates are all super stable and do not incur any issues

so here, a quick bit of work done through CGPT for you.

NVIDIA — problematic drivers & GPU-related updates (selected, last 2 years)


  1. GeForce GRD 572.83 — black screens / hard crashes (Mar 2025)
    Symptoms: sudden black screen during install, boot or gameplay; hard system resets reported. Affected: many RTX 30/40/older cards in user reports. NVIDIA+1
  2. Driver releases around RTX-50 launch (Jan→Jun 2025) — instability on older cards
    Symptoms: multiple hotfixes required after RTX-50 generation launch — users saw random crashes, black/grey screens, DLSS/MFG issues, and game crashes. Several hotfix drivers were pushed in quick succession. The Verge+1
  3. GRD 576.x hotfix churn (576.02 → 576.15 → 576.26; Jun–Jul 2025) — display/flicker/DP2.1 problems
    Symptoms: flicker, DP 2.1 monitor black screens (LG DP2.1 reports), multi-monitor greyscreens, stutter; multiple rapid hotfixes followed initial regression. The Verge+1
  4. GRD 576.80 (Jun 17, 2025) — serious stutter / performance regressions (user reports)
    Symptoms: severe stutter in games after update; some users recommended rolling back. Affected: varied GPU generations. NVIDIA
  5. GRD 580→581 series (Summer–Aug 2025) — reports of FPS drops / instability
    Symptoms: game crashes, frame-drops and instability after updating to 580.x / 581.08 for some users; threads on forums show regression vs previous driver. NVIDIA+1
  6. Widespread black screen / daily hard crashes (rolling reports 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: recurring community reports of black screens and daily crashes even after rolling back (long-running issue across months). Affected: multiple GPU models; many forum threads. reddit.com+1
  7. Game-specific regressions (multiple drivers, 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: newer drivers sometimes break older games or cause errors (e.g., AP204 errors with older Forza titles after a recent driver). Workarounds: roll back driver to a specific version. Windows Central+1
  8. Driver → high CPU / nvcontainer bug (patching/hotfixes in 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: Nvidia container or driver processes eating CPU after gameplay — fixed quickly in hotfixes historically (example: previous iterations fixed by hotfix releases). Tom's Hardware+1
  9. Multi-component interactions causing instability (drivers + Windows updates, 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: combinations of Windows updates + GeForce drivers produced crashes, TDRs, or EAC/game client failures for some users — often required coordinated fixes from MS or game publishers. Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums+1
  10. Rapid hotfix cycle after new GPU launch — indicative of regressions (2025 RTX-50 era)
    Symptoms: several hotfix releases in quick succession addressing display, DLSS, and game crashes — evidence that initial drivers caused user-visible regressions requiring emergency fixes. The Verge


MICROSOFT — Windows / Update problems that caused critical issues (selected, last 2 years)


  1. Windows Update KB5041578 (Aug 13, 2024) — Windows Server 2019: very slow performance / high CPU
    Symptoms: CryptSvc high CPU, elevated disk I/O to catroot2, very slow app launches and boots; Microsoft documented the issue and later addressed it. Affected: Windows Server 2019 (and some analogous desktop scenarios). Microsoft Support+1
  2. Windows 11 — version 24H2 rollout (Oct/Nov 2024 → persistent issues through 2025)
    Symptoms: multiple stability problems (BSODs, taskbar freezes, game crashes/compatibility, slowdowns) reported across many devices; Microsoft tracked & posted known issues and subsequent fixes. Affected: broad Windows 11 install base. Microsoft Learn+1
  3. Windows 11 24H2 — broke several Ubisoft games (Nov 2024; compatibility hold)
    Symptoms: Assassin's Creed titles, Star Wars Outlaws, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora became unresponsive, black-screen or crashed after 24H2; Microsoft temporarily paused 24H2 offers on PCs with those games until fixes/hotfixes arrived. The Verge+1
  4. July 2025 cumulative updates (Windows 10/11) — severe slow boots / unresponsive PCs (user reports)
    Symptoms: laptops/desktops taking ages to become usable after login (reports of 5s to lock screen then 30+ minutes to usable), extreme lag, auto-reinstall of problematic update prevented simple uninstall as cure. Affected: Windows 10 & user reports on Windows 11. Microsoft Learn+1
  5. Wi-Fi / networking breakages after security/feature updates (2024–2025, multiple incidents)
    Symptoms: Wi-Fi adapters disabled, cannot connect after specific Windows Security / Defender updates; common troubleshooting was driver reinstall and network stack resets. Affected: varied laptops/desktops. Windows 11 Forum+1
  6. Audio breakages after updates (Jan 2025 and recurring complaints)
    Symptoms: audio devices stop producing sound, device manager shows issues; often required driver rollbacks or switching to generic drivers. Affected: many users after certain monthly updates. Microsoft Learn+1
  7. Windows Server boot/freeze/performance (Aug 2024 → fixed in Sept 2024 patches)
    Symptoms: August 2024 cumulative caused boot problems and freezes on some Server builds; Microsoft released fixes in subsequent cumulative updates. Affected: Windows Server 2019/other server builds. BleepingComputer+1
  8. Patch-Tuesday / cumulative updates causing broader app/game compatibility issues (rolling across 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: after certain cumulative updates, Easy Anti-Cheat or game clients crashed or resulted in bans/unexpected behavior; users reported forced rollbacks or waits for vendor patches. Affected: competitive games and EAC-protected titles. reddit.com+1
  9. Windows Update "safeguard" / holds & re-rollouts (2024–2025) — symptomatic of regressions
    Symptoms: Microsoft placed compatibility holds for devices with specific apps/games and then later pushed fixes; this pattern shows sizable regressions that required automatic blocking of the update for certain configurations. Examples: 24H2 Ubisoft hold. guru3D Forums+1
  10. Userland reports & community threads documenting persistent regressions (2024–2025)
    Symptoms: large subreddit/forum threads describing daily unresponsiveness, inability to update safely, and mixed success with rollbacks — demonstrates the real user impact and non-isolated nature of these problems. reddit.com+1

now that was a 2 second response from AI , i am not going to go and do your research for you, it's ludicrous to pretend like these companies aren't introducing issues with their slap dash patches (Microsoft especially). I don't know who you are white knighting for but it just looks silly.
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It's unsurprising how little Nvidia cares for gamers. Since the crypto started, their attention began to shift away from gamers. Now, its even worse due to AI. Their drivers are sloppy, their hardware engineering is sloppy(Power connector), their procices are out of control and the generational improvements are a tad shocking.

I recently bought a 5090 and if there was an Amd equivalent, i'd buy that instead. Its sad to say but Amd's GPU drivers are far superior to Nvidia and its been that way for almost 2 years.

The amount of issues I'm experiencing with the combination of Nvidia in Windows is frankly shocking.
 
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Wolzard said:
In the end, it was Microsoft's fault.
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It's Playground's fault. They can't program their engines on PC properly. And this one isn't the only issue they have, there is at least another one which is resulting in FH games crashing in Windows for several years now with zero fucks given from the developer/publisher.

StereoVsn said:
I do wonder if Nvidia could "hide" Tier 4 resource "advertisement" when launching older games.
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This is exactly what everyone were against when DX12 and VK were being made - an IHV fixing issues in s/w with their drivers.
 
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StueyDuck said:
I can tell you really think you are "winning" here with some gotcha but it really doesn't take much to disprove the theory that they drivers and updates are all super stable and do not incur any issues

so here, a quick bit of work done through CGPT for you.

NVIDIA — problematic drivers & GPU-related updates (selected, last 2 years)


  1. GeForce GRD 572.83 — black screens / hard crashes (Mar 2025)
    Symptoms: sudden black screen during install, boot or gameplay; hard system resets reported. Affected: many RTX 30/40/older cards in user reports. NVIDIA+1
  2. Driver releases around RTX-50 launch (Jan→Jun 2025) — instability on older cards
    Symptoms: multiple hotfixes required after RTX-50 generation launch — users saw random crashes, black/grey screens, DLSS/MFG issues, and game crashes. Several hotfix drivers were pushed in quick succession. The Verge+1
  3. GRD 576.x hotfix churn (576.02 → 576.15 → 576.26; Jun–Jul 2025) — display/flicker/DP2.1 problems
    Symptoms: flicker, DP 2.1 monitor black screens (LG DP2.1 reports), multi-monitor greyscreens, stutter; multiple rapid hotfixes followed initial regression. The Verge+1
  4. GRD 576.80 (Jun 17, 2025) — serious stutter / performance regressions (user reports)
    Symptoms: severe stutter in games after update; some users recommended rolling back. Affected: varied GPU generations. NVIDIA
  5. GRD 580→581 series (Summer–Aug 2025) — reports of FPS drops / instability
    Symptoms: game crashes, frame-drops and instability after updating to 580.x / 581.08 for some users; threads on forums show regression vs previous driver. NVIDIA+1
  6. Widespread black screen / daily hard crashes (rolling reports 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: recurring community reports of black screens and daily crashes even after rolling back (long-running issue across months). Affected: multiple GPU models; many forum threads. reddit.com+1
  7. Game-specific regressions (multiple drivers, 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: newer drivers sometimes break older games or cause errors (e.g., AP204 errors with older Forza titles after a recent driver). Workarounds: roll back driver to a specific version. Windows Central+1
  8. Driver → high CPU / nvcontainer bug (patching/hotfixes in 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: Nvidia container or driver processes eating CPU after gameplay — fixed quickly in hotfixes historically (example: previous iterations fixed by hotfix releases). Tom's Hardware+1
  9. Multi-component interactions causing instability (drivers + Windows updates, 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: combinations of Windows updates + GeForce drivers produced crashes, TDRs, or EAC/game client failures for some users — often required coordinated fixes from MS or game publishers. Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums+1
  10. Rapid hotfix cycle after new GPU launch — indicative of regressions (2025 RTX-50 era)
    Symptoms: several hotfix releases in quick succession addressing display, DLSS, and game crashes — evidence that initial drivers caused user-visible regressions requiring emergency fixes. The Verge


MICROSOFT — Windows / Update problems that caused critical issues (selected, last 2 years)


  1. Windows Update KB5041578 (Aug 13, 2024) — Windows Server 2019: very slow performance / high CPU
    Symptoms: CryptSvc high CPU, elevated disk I/O to catroot2, very slow app launches and boots; Microsoft documented the issue and later addressed it. Affected: Windows Server 2019 (and some analogous desktop scenarios). Microsoft Support+1
  2. Windows 11 — version 24H2 rollout (Oct/Nov 2024 → persistent issues through 2025)
    Symptoms: multiple stability problems (BSODs, taskbar freezes, game crashes/compatibility, slowdowns) reported across many devices; Microsoft tracked & posted known issues and subsequent fixes. Affected: broad Windows 11 install base. Microsoft Learn+1
  3. Windows 11 24H2 — broke several Ubisoft games (Nov 2024; compatibility hold)
    Symptoms: Assassin's Creed titles, Star Wars Outlaws, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora became unresponsive, black-screen or crashed after 24H2; Microsoft temporarily paused 24H2 offers on PCs with those games until fixes/hotfixes arrived. The Verge+1
  4. July 2025 cumulative updates (Windows 10/11) — severe slow boots / unresponsive PCs (user reports)
    Symptoms: laptops/desktops taking ages to become usable after login (reports of 5s to lock screen then 30+ minutes to usable), extreme lag, auto-reinstall of problematic update prevented simple uninstall as cure. Affected: Windows 10 & user reports on Windows 11. Microsoft Learn+1
  5. Wi-Fi / networking breakages after security/feature updates (2024–2025, multiple incidents)
    Symptoms: Wi-Fi adapters disabled, cannot connect after specific Windows Security / Defender updates; common troubleshooting was driver reinstall and network stack resets. Affected: varied laptops/desktops. Windows 11 Forum+1
  6. Audio breakages after updates (Jan 2025 and recurring complaints)
    Symptoms: audio devices stop producing sound, device manager shows issues; often required driver rollbacks or switching to generic drivers. Affected: many users after certain monthly updates. Microsoft Learn+1
  7. Windows Server boot/freeze/performance (Aug 2024 → fixed in Sept 2024 patches)
    Symptoms: August 2024 cumulative caused boot problems and freezes on some Server builds; Microsoft released fixes in subsequent cumulative updates. Affected: Windows Server 2019/other server builds. BleepingComputer+1
  8. Patch-Tuesday / cumulative updates causing broader app/game compatibility issues (rolling across 2024–2025)
    Symptoms: after certain cumulative updates, Easy Anti-Cheat or game clients crashed or resulted in bans/unexpected behavior; users reported forced rollbacks or waits for vendor patches. Affected: competitive games and EAC-protected titles. reddit.com+1
  9. Windows Update "safeguard" / holds & re-rollouts (2024–2025) — symptomatic of regressions
    Symptoms: Microsoft placed compatibility holds for devices with specific apps/games and then later pushed fixes; this pattern shows sizable regressions that required automatic blocking of the update for certain configurations. Examples: 24H2 Ubisoft hold. guru3D Forums+1
  10. Userland reports & community threads documenting persistent regressions (2024–2025)
    Symptoms: large subreddit/forum threads describing daily unresponsiveness, inability to update safely, and mixed success with rollbacks — demonstrates the real user impact and non-isolated nature of these problems. reddit.com+1

now that was a 2 second response from AI , i am not going to go and do your research for you, it's ludicrous to pretend like these companies aren't introducing issues with their slap dash patches (Microsoft especially). I don't know who you are white knighting for but it just looks silly.
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Tons of those issues were fixed. No one here is saying that there are no issues.

Now do a list of everything that works and see the near infinite difference... 🤷‍♂️

"Duh, almost everything just works but because I am a ignorant hater I will pretend that it is garbage because of a tiny list of issues that don't even affect everyone, duh." 🤦‍♂️
 
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rodrigolfp said:
Tons of those issues were fixed. No one here is saying that there are no issues.

Now do a list of everything that works and see the near infinite difference... 🤷‍♂️

"Duh, almost everything just works but because I am a ignorant hater I will pretend that it is garbage because of a tiny list of issues that don't even affect everyone, duh." 🤦‍♂️
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a patch/update is.

Not sure which company you are dick riding so hard for, but your point has nothing to do with the fact that these companies ABSOLUTELY introduce issues with their update and patches. Just because they are fixed later doesn't mean that those issues aren't broken when they are first introduced.
 
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a patch/update is.

Not sure which company you are dick riding so hard for, but your point has nothing to do with the fact that these companies ABSOLUTELY introduce issues with their update and patches. Just because they are fixed later doesn't mean that those issues aren't broken when they are first introduced.
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My point is this near infinite hyperbolic bullshit/drama, again:
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breaking more shit than they fix.
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