Do you plan to sit out this generation?
I don't think you will be able to get a new 1070 for less than 400, and 1060 (which might go for <400) isn't shaping like much of an upgrade from 970...
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Do you plan to sit out this generation?
I don't think you will be able to get a new 1070 for less than 400, and 1060 (which might go for <400) isn't shaping like much of an upgrade from 970...
No, I plan to spend more. Having spent a significant amount of money on VR it seems counter-productive to hold back on the hardware driving it.
michaelius
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Are you ignoring currency market in your comparison ? One Euro was worth 1,30 dollars few years ago , now we are barely in 1,1 territory
cyen
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That´s not what usually happens unfortunably when it comes to computer parts, Us$ prices normally translate to 1:1 euro prices even if the exchange rate varies. Same for consoles and games.
Example: 399$ PS4 = 399€ PS4
michaelius
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That was only true for earlier years where exchange rate covered VAT tax.
Consoles are bad example because they are priced to hit certain price point for marketing reasons.
Not really. E.g. I bought a 5820k in September 2014 -- it never got any adjustment to its suggested USD retail price and $ prices for it were pretty stable. On the other hand, this is what it looks like in Europe:
That's an almost 25% price increase after launch for the same piece of hardware, coinciding in time with rapid devaluation of EUR compared to USD.
cyen
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Let´s take out of equation, just focusing on $, 699$ for a reference card when previous generation card of the same segment was 599$ is a huge step up all thing considered, even nvidia states that 1080 is on the same segment that 980 was when lauched (even going by the marketing slides from nvidia).
I hope (but doubt) that we will see superior custom cards from partners starting 599$ without an equivalent AMD card out on the market raising this segment of GPUs 100$ more.
Game prices around here have gone up recently so what you're saying isn't true. New games are 65 vs $60 in the USA.
cyen
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Not really. E.g. I bought a 5820k in September 2014 -- it never got any adjustment to its suggested USD retail price and $ prices for it were pretty stable. On the other hand, this is what it looks like in Europe:
That's an almost 25% price increase after launch for the same piece of hardware, coinciding in time with rapid devaluation of EUR compared to USD.
OT: I can´t believe i have bought my 5820K almost two years ago (bought it at launch as well)
yes there was a big spike when euro lost value to US dollar but then it was slowly adjusted to almost similar levels of prices (EDIT: well not similar but on the middle of both max and min).
As i said in my previous post, just focusing on US currency we have an 100$ higher price for the same segment. That´s not good value in my book.
Adry9
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lmao never though about this. Gotta stay positive I guess lol
Sir Abacus
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Uhhhhh... AMD made squillions during that generation because of the Bitcoin mining craze. You couldn't buy an AMD card for RRP because speculators, scalpers, and miners drove up the cost to insane levels. The 290X hit $900 at some point.
Then Nvidia came out with Maxwell, AMD shrugged and rereleased GCN again. Except this time the Bitcoin craze was over.
If there is a really good third party 1080 with cooling that can generally hold 2GHz+ with good noise and thermal characteristics, and it's not insanely priced (that is, cheaper than the founder editions are currently going for), then I'll probably bite.
I'm certainly waiting for 1070 reviews though, but it seems like it might be too far off performance-wise (same for Polaris).
I have a feeling it will be a least a month, so late June.
Inflation isn't a bad thing. The USD is facing it right now, but the policies of the Federal Reserve are doing their best to hide it.
That's why wages haven't gone up in the past decade, but the cost of everything except consumer electronics have increased.
Having inflation will increase prices, but it will also increase wages which will allow people to pay off debt. People's 401Ks and IRAs will go up as the stock market inflates. The only people losing would be the ones just holding on to cash. The biggest losers would be corporations who are just holding extremely large stock piles of cash like Apple and Google.
It isn't that the overclockability shrinks, but the relationship with clocks and efficiency. Finfet processes have a much more defined knee where there is an optimum ratio between efficiency and clockspeed. That knee is at a much higher frequency, but it gives less wiggle room.
I'm in the same boat. Having recently bought a 4K display, I need something that can actually allow me to play at that resolution without dropping many graphics settings.
longdi
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Quoting this because i agree with this man.
It all started with the gtx680, just because Nvidia could. In another timeline where AMD 7970 drivers were matured from the start, the gtx680 would probably be sold as a gtx660ti or gtx670.
Same thing is happening with 1080, priced as a >Ti card from the start, and Nvidia sneaking in the FE tax, when will Nvidia price gouging ends?
A $599 1080 just aint happening unless AMD release Vega this year. Even so, a $599 small die gp104 is very bad gpu inflation, just because Nvidia can...
Things like VR and 4K graphics will take ages with these kind of pricing.
if you have something like a 970, it should be good enough to last you 12 more months. Then you can see what happens to the 1080 custom cards, how the 1070 performs, how both overclock and compare, and importantly what happens when Nvidia releases the 1080ti - either that will be one worth saving up for, or the price will drop on the 1080 making it better value than it currently is. For now the 1080 (assuming custom coolers hover around FE pricing) is too close to 980ti pricing to make it good value for me.
Forgive me guys, I have a real dummy question.
Does the GT 1080 out of the box (pictured below) have sufficient cooling to just throw in my PC and go to town? I only ask because my current GPU (my first, the only once I've ever bought) has like three small fans on it.
Is that all i need to be good to go?
Does the GT 1080 out of the box (pictured below) have sufficient cooling to just throw in my PC and go to town? I only ask because my current GPU (my first, the only once I've ever bought) has like three small fans on it.
Is that all i need to be good to go?
Because I prefer stability.
My 970 boosts to 1405MHz by itself, some games work fine @1457MHz, others crash.
1443MHz seemed fine, but really, a 3% boost clock isn't worth a few crashes to see if it is stable or not.
Latvian Hitman
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Forgive me guys, I have a real dummy question.
Does the GT 1080 out of the box (pictured below) have sufficient cooling to just throw in my PC and go to town? I only ask because my current GPU (my first, the only once I've ever bought) has like three small fans on it.
Is that all i need to be good to go?
The reference blower is OK if you plan on running at stock speeds. If you want to OC, you'll be much better served waiting for an AIB (like the one you have now with the three fans).
Pretty sure rumors were early June, about the time 1070 hits, or am I missing something?
Custom coolers being late June would be a fucking kick in the balls, getting lots of stuttering in any semi-demanding game on my Vive, I need a new card damn it.
If I wasn't planning on overclocking, is there any other benefit to waiting (other than the price that may or may not be lower)? Will the third party cards be faster/overclocked out of the box? Or will any extra power be something I'd have to do on my own (which I don't know anything about, and probably won't do)
If it is, then I might be able to wait a little longer and not jump on the FE.
That's pretty much a given.
And the reference card has trouble keeping its boost frequency so if you can wait, wait.
The original post called it a jet engine sound. It's obviously not a jet engine sound if I can't hear it. I don't have hearing loss. Every other fan in the enclosure we chosen specifically to build a quiet PC. It's very, very quiet. I have a couple of archive drives in my Mac that are the only sound that I can hear from a few feet away. I have to practically stick my head inside the PC to hear the 980's.
I had a Geforce FX 5800 Ultra... I know what a jet engine sounds like. Calling the current reference fans jet engines is just hyperbole.
Again, overclocking is probably a different situation, so I'm just referring to stock use. I had dual MSI cards before this with the Twin Frozr fan setup and it was the same as far as I'm concerned.. also quiet.
Edit: For fun, I downloaded EVGA's utility and cranked the fans to 100%. Yup, lots of air moving noise, but there's no whine or anything. It's bothersome though, but not anything I've ever heard during use.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Good post. The way graphics card prices have increased massively in the last 8 years is shocking.
Lets be clear here - Nvidia are selling the successor to their reference 980 (released at $549.99) for $699.99. 'Founders' Nvidia have admitted, is just a new name for 'reference'. But worse, this time the cooler they are selling on their $700 reference card is even worse than usual.
A more rational review of the 1080: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myDYnofz_JE
Coolade
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1080 Hybrid Experiment Takeaways: Voltage, Power, Temps
Gamers Nexus just uploaded this.
Gamers Nexus just uploaded this.
Yours is a factory overclock? That's still overclocked, just somebody doing it for you.
Ahhhhh. It just keeps getting murkier, looks like I'm going to drop my preorder. I just emailed three sellers on Craigslist in my area, trying to get a 980ti for roughly $450. I justified the cost of the 1080 for too long and now I'm jumping off the hype train. Tuck and roll.
Unless anyone really needs to have a new GPU now it is kinda silly not to wait for the good cards (which may be cheaper or at a similar price as the FE version, but run much cooler and overclock better).
No point in getting mad people are scooping up FE cards. It is their money, they can do what they want with it. Plus supply is limited at launch so it isn't like there are a ton of cards being sold. We will see how the FE holds two months from now.
The 1080 classified and the Strix will be the cards I look at but if pricing is too greedy I'll skip this generation. I'm bracing for 750 but could be more.
I fear what the 1080 TI will be sold for. Creeping back up towards 1000. TI might be the new Titan in terms of price with the 1080 the new TI.
Aren't the classified line still coming? It will make the founders edition cards look foolish once available. Unless evga get super greedy with price.
The 1080 classified and the Strix will be the cards I look at but if pricing is too greedy I'll skip this generation. I'm bracing for 750 but could be more.
I fear what the 1080 TI will be sold for. Creeping back up towards 1000. TI might be the new Titan in terms of price with the 1080 the new TI.
terencecah
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glad i'm waiting for AIB
Which is exactly the thing, time is a pretty crucial thing or I would wait. It's a unique circumstance, but I have a super light workload over the summer (no projects at an engineering firm until roughly September), after that I'll likely be working 60 hour weeks and travelling for the following 6 months to a year. So...the premium for a card right now is worth it to me (and it has to be Nvidia because I'm sitting on an RoG G-sync monitor).
Unknown Soldier
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Why don't you just get a 1070
Unknown Soldier
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Posts like this are hilarious to me, because you literally don't know what you're talking about. I spent $550 on an ATI Radeon X1900XTX in 2006. You can do the math on how much that is in 2016 dollars with inflation. Spoiler for people incapable of math:
It's $652.75, which is not coincidentally close to how much a 1080 costs at launch. See, Nvidia can do math too!
The top shelf has always been brutal in pricing. That's how enthusiast tier works in PC gaming and how it always has. People are forgetting when AMD was pricing the Athlon 64 FX at $999 back in 2003 for God's sakes, like AMD doesn't price things high too when they have the performance advantage over their competitor. If anything Intel pricing the top HEDT Haswell-E CPU also at $999 today in 2016 means they are taking a loss on profit compared to AMD with the FX in 2003 because of inflation!
Of course you wouldn't know about historical video card prices since you have never spent more than $420 on a video card.
The_Inquisitor
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Man thinking I should just limp along on my 560ti until 3rd party cards come out yeesh.
terencecah
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it's a long shot but i'm selling mine for 450 if youre in the southern california area
Pretty much. The fact that there have merely been teases and basically no official reveals (no, the cheap ass GALAX blower card doesn't count lol) is slightly disheartening. Add in the uncertainity in regards to pricing and availability...
Yes and no.. It's still just buying a card, plugging it in, and running it at the intended spec. No downloading of utilities and fiddling with settings. I remember the time when I loved to squeeze every last ounce out of all my hardware, but that was a long time ago. It was a hobby within itself at the time, but now it would just be an annoyance.
Jin
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I saw on JayZTwocents channel that the 1080 reference has a quieter fan noise than 980ti. The 1080 fan at 80% was quieter than 50% of 980Ti.
https://youtu.be/rmsfw9GnWUY?t=7m14s
Pretty impressive for a reference fan.
https://youtu.be/rmsfw9GnWUY?t=7m14s
Pretty impressive for a reference fan.
The money I'd spend for the 980ti now is worth it just to have the card an extra month or more. Just got back and ended up getting an EVGA SC+ BP for $410, guy who sold it showed up in an absurd Lotus Exige S 260 and is planning on upgrading to SLI 1080's for his Vive. Now I can stop obsessing over such absurd things and just settle into some Doom/Witcher.
Those percentages don't necessarily mean anything when comparing two different coolers/fans.
Guardian Monkey
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That's a good deal. Probably price on par for performance of the 1070. Good job!