Coulomb_Barrier
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This is all kinds of wrong.
HBM has power savings over GDDR5/X, has higher bandwidths, and mainly, it requires much less space on the PCB. Fury X needs an AIO cooler to tame it's GPU, that has nothing to do with HBM.
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 reviews and benchmarks
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This is all kinds of wrong.
HBM has power savings over GDDR5/X, has higher bandwidths, and mainly, it requires much less space on the PCB. Fury X needs an AIO cooler to tame it's GPU, that has nothing to do with HBM.
MetalGearSilly
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I'm not gonna pretend I know much about cuda cores and whathaveyou...but I do understand a worthwhile upgrade.
From the articles and reviews I've seen..generally speaking, we're looking at around 20% difference in performance - compared to the 980Ti.
My questions is, the founders edition - is it normally the case that the editions that come later are better or..worse? How's it been with previous cards?
From the articles and reviews I've seen..generally speaking, we're looking at around 20% difference in performance - compared to the 980Ti.
My questions is, the founders edition - is it normally the case that the editions that come later are better or..worse? How's it been with previous cards?
That was exactly what i was saying.. people just act like you can only build a small board with HBM and that is not true.
and yes HBM gives powersaving, sure.. but its not like RAM chips requires cooling today, so the difference cant be that huge.
Zepp Twofist
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Founders edition is just their new talk for reference board. Generally the boards that come later are often factory overclocked and perform better. They will in any case perform no worse, but in this specific case they will most likely cost less.
Tacklemacain
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I am not saying, that it is only possible with HBM, but it is a lot easier.
That is true.... but surely the day we don't have a big ass cooler on the GPU is the day they stopped trying. High end will always require good cooling to push the envelope of what is possible.
Tacklemacain
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I would consider the Nano kind of high end. And with a more efficient chip, there could be a very powerful,small form factor Vega card.
I really hope Nvidia doesn't pull this shit. 24Gb or Vram is completely useless. 99% of games can't fill 8Gb, hell they can't fill 6gb. 12Gb would be insane, but far more realistic.
In terms of GDDR5X vs HBM2... also total crap if Nvidia does this. Pascal has been marketed to contain HBM2 for a while now. I am sure Nvidia can spin this and say "well Tesla P100 has HBM2... what were you expecting?". Not to mention the Pascal Titan, which is a prosumer card, will be far less attractive with GDDR5X (assuming they haven't gimped double precision). IMO if Nvidia has to increase the Titan X / 1080 Ti price (~$100) to accommodate HBM2, I am game for that. If aftermarket coolers are limited to AIO and waterblocks, I am game for that.
this is like saying that that DSLR cameras is not needed just because you can make a pretty good smartphone camera. The bigger camera will always be better than the small form factor camera. But sure we will always be able to make the small cards faster with advancing tech, just like we can do with the big ones.
Sorry for the camera reference in a video card thread :-D don't worry, i get your drift.. you want to go small
Efren is G.O.A.T.
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Sir, we are in the same boat...wanna sit in the front or in the back?
Ncix has the founders editions priced at $910
Ah fuck, they didn't have prices yet when I checked this morning... Man...
Also aren't all the Founders Editions all identical reference cards? Why so much price variation?
They are. They're all the same price too, $910
This is what I see on my side
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Edit:Stupid mobile won't img properly but anyway.
If you click on them the price changes to $910. Seems like theyre all on sale.
Leatherface
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Does anyone have any info on when the $599 1080's are dropping? The information I've found is vague at best. I really want to upgrade to the 1080 but can't justify the extra $100 on the Founders Edition.
draughn101
Member
We'll know something on the 27th
No one has any information currently. Your best bet is Computex.
Leatherface
Member
Okay thanks. I guess I will play the waiting game. I'm thirsty but stubborn. 
Efren is G.O.A.T.
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so around 1046$CAN in Quebec.....I probably live in the highest taxed region in the world...
Well if you buy from NCIX you don't pay TVQ so there's that at least.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
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thanks for the heads up!
They're there, but you have to search for them. You also cant order any.
Technically at $910 they are lower than the price they should be when taking in the exchange rate($692USD)
Efren is G.O.A.T.
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if you make a general search, you can find them at to bottom but you can't find them if you apply filters to the video cards category.
yup. It's a $75 premium I believe.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
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I might be wrong but I assume that the demand for these cards is very high so as long as people are still lining up to snatch one, they will postpone the release of the non-founders edition as long as they possibly can. It sucks for us but that's probably what I'd do if I were in their shoes.
draughn101
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I don't think that's how this is working. They have deals with their board partners, and I'm pretty sure they can't tell them to hold off until they stop making money. Nvidia plans on selling these cards through the lifecycle of the 1080 at 699. We will hear something concrete on Friday and it's possible we could have quick access to AIB cards.
nVidia always sells their reference cards through the lifecycle. Shit you can go to nVidia.com now and buy a GTX 980 Ti reference for $649.
draughn101
Member
Ok. I apologize for providing a redundant parcel of information.
My guess is mid-June. What's the point of $699 Founder Edition if $599 cards are available on May 27th. Expect $699 FE during launch and initial demand into mid-June. Then $599 cards and $100 price drop of the Founders Edition sometime later. No way will FE stay at $699 when $599 cards come out.
draughn101
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Why would you assume that? That's contradictory to everything Nvidia has said so far. This is a 599 card (Galax). What happens to the price of this when the FE drops to 599? Dropping the price only plays further into the conception that this was a price grab from Nvidia. Not sure they'd be so stupid as to do make a move so close to launch proving their BS. They said repeatedly they think their FE is worth 699 and will sell at that price for the duration of the product. Expect crap to semi crap between 599-699, and better cards above that price point.
draughn101
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With AIB offerings like this at $599 there's no incentive for Nvidia to lower the reference price. No one knows what the board partners are charged for boards, but I am assuming that Nvidia priced them so that it's going to be difficult to undercut their FE with a significantly better card. Considering the fact that a power connector will need added to the board for significant overclocks, I think it's safe to assume that midrange AIB cards around $750 are not out of the question and will likely sell like crazy.
LuciusAxelrod
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Why would you assume that? That's contradictory to everything Nvidia has said so far. This is a 599 card (Galax). What happens to the price of this when the FE drops to 599? Dropping the price only plays further into the conception that this was a price grab from Nvidia. Not sure they'd be so stupid as to do make a move so close to launch proving their BS. They said repeatedly they think their FE is worth 699 and will sell at that price for the duration of the product. Expect crap to semi crap between 599-699, and better cards above that price point.
Is that real? Whose idea was it to put a Juggalo on a video card?
draughn101
Member
It's been circulating for a while. The clown face on the actual card is new.
It looks like something from the mid 90's
Hari Seldon
Member
Yeah this is what I think is going to happen as well. Oh well, I guess I'm priced out of this card!
Yeah they made it even worse from the original "leak" where it was only a black and super cheap looking card (that will still cost 599$+tax atleast lol).Why would you assume that? That's contradictory to everything Nvidia has said so far. This is a 599 card (Galax). What happens to the price of this when the FE drops to 599? Dropping the price only plays further into the conception that this was a price grab from Nvidia. Not sure they'd be so stupid as to do make a move so close to launch proving their BS. They said repeatedly they think their FE is worth 699 and will sell at that price for the duration of the product. Expect crap to semi crap between 599-699, and better cards above that price point.
Now it's a super cheap looking card with a tacky sticker on it for 599$+tax. Damn.
draughn101
Member
I'm sure they paid good money for someone to draw up that clown face.
Looks like it only has one DVI port and nothing else too.
Decent Non-FE cards will for sure be going for $699 and up
I assume it's just a reference PCB with a cheap blower cooler on it, so there are probably 3x DP1.4 + 1x HDMI2.0b underneath the DVI.
Who in their right mind would pay for a highend graphics card that only has DVI lmao
draughn101
Member
If the FE card is having issues with throttling, I can't imagine how bad this card is going to be...
Why would you assume that? That's contradictory to everything Nvidia has said so far. This is a 599 card (Galax). What happens to the price of this when the FE drops to 599? Dropping the price only plays further into the conception that this was a price grab from Nvidia. Not sure they'd be so stupid as to do make a move so close to launch proving their BS. They said repeatedly they think their FE is worth 699 and will sell at that price for the duration of the product. Expect crap to semi crap between 599-699, and better cards above that price point.
This is all guess work and loose pattern recognition, so I can only go off my gut from listening to Nvidia PR for 20 years. Using pattern recognition I was able to accurately guess the 1080/1070 price and performance and laughed at for it http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199819110&postcount=152 All evidence points to FE being designed as launch demand SKU then re-positioning itself as a reference SKU. I don't recall Nvidia ever saying 1080 FE would be $699 for its lifetime, that makes little sense. If we are going to have reference quality cards in July-August at $599, the FE will not be selling at $699. Nvidia is being vague and somewhat consumer negative about all things FE. My personal view is Nvidia, and the board makers are taking financial advantage of initial demand. PR wise creating a launch SKU that will serve as reference later in the cards life is so much better than saying we're going to up the price for the first 3-4 weeks. I'll be curious ti see the quality of the other AIB $599 cards.
First of all, which "big Pascal" do you mean? There's one big pascal we know of, GP100, and it's most certainly using HBM2. It also uses its big die area in ways that render it very unattractive price/performance wise to gamers.
Then there are rumours about a different somewhat-big Pascal ("GP102") designed specifically for gaming. That one might well use GDDRX on a wider (e.g. 384 bit) memory bus, which would likely provide sufficient memory bandwidth for such a card.