Nvidia new 580.88 drivers fine-wined 3-5% more RTX50 performance

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No one is talking about any performance gains with these drivers, in the guru3d forums, only bug fixes, of which there are many.
 
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These performance improvements via drivers were always seemed like a myth to me. You can run the same test and get different results many times. Its just so many variables when it comes to PCs
 
winjer said:
That is for some synthetic benchmarks, such as 3dMark.
And only one user talking about it. And it might just be the new power management fixes with these drivers, that allow him to sustain higher clocks with his water cooling system.
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I'm still on 576.15. I can probably test later when I get back from work.
 
RTX50 is months new, what are you on about? Ageing like fine wine is meant for years old stuff superseded by new products but still getting proper support in new drivers/software rather than performing worse than @ launch due to a lack of. This is hardware (support) early access getting fixes🤷‍♂️
 
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Damn most launch reviews had this benchmark around 14.5k

Now any normie can get 10% uplift

 
Luipadre said:
These performance improvements via drivers were always seemed like a myth to me. You can run the same test and get different results many times. Its just so many variables when it comes to PCs
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They are not a myth but they are rare and usually they are contained to some specific rendering scenario (i.e. path tracing) so you don't really see them on average.
An average uplift of even +3% across all benchmarks can happen in some months after a launch of a new architecture - but this is unlikely for Blackwell since it's not that much different to Lovelace.
 
Fuck the 50 series, worst GPU I've ever owned from Nvidia.

Back in March, I shipped my precious 4090 FE in to Nvidia for an RMA due to a burnt connector (thanks Corsair.) I used the FedEx label provided by Nvidia. When the package arrived, I didn't hear from Nvidia for 2 weeks so I emailed them asking what's the hold up. They said, "there's a problem with the package. Namely, that there's no GPU in the box." My heart sank and I fought for weeks to get them to open a claim with FedEx. They refused and basically I was fucked. Now out my favorite GPU I ever owned. It was the peak Nvidia card and will go down in history as the last truly incredible legacy card they'll ever release thanks to things like 32 bit CUDA deprecation.

I was forced into a bad spot. Either I cough up $2500 for another 4090, or I spend a little more and get a brand new 5090. Part of that price went into the fact that I wanted to waterblock my card (I already had a block for my 4090 while waiting for the RMA to come back, had to refund it) and so I refused to get another FE due to how whack the 5090 FE PCB design is. Had to get a MSI or Asus. Ended up with a MSI Gaming Trio OC.

This card sucks. It barely is faster than the 4090 I bought over 2.5 years prior. The extra VRAM probably won't matter before the card becomes obsolete. Then there's the drivers. Did you know you can't force anisotropic filtering with 50 series cards? If you do, you'll end up with horrible game breaking visual artifacts in dozens of games. Oh and this has been widely reported to Nvidia, they're aware of it and have no plans to fix it (did you wonder why they said they're intentionally not adding anisotropic filtering to the new Nvidia app? This is why.) Then for the last 2 ish months, DXVK was broken in 32 bit games causing them to crash. Lastly they're just plain buggy. Even after this driver update, there are still tons of issues with random games for this series. I'm now forced to get a 3050 or something if I want to play my old PhysX games. I'm just so pissed at the whole thing. Fuck the 50 series.
 
KuraiShidosha said:
I'm now forced to get a 3050 or something if I want to play my old PhysX games. I'm just so pissed at the whole thing. Fuck the 50 series.
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Yeah, this physx thing was pretty bad. It hurts backwards compatibility, which is one of the strong aspects of PC gaming.

Apparently it's for the 32bit physx games. 64bit ones still work, such as Arkham Knight. I wonder if it's possible for a modder to upgrade a game so a 50 series card can again support it.
 
Someone has a micropenis /s

Yeah, it's not much to be honest, but I guess it's still welcome. Those cards are so powerful anyway, I dont think that their owners are having a hard time getting good fps
 
Gonzito said:
Someone has a micropenis /s

Yeah, it's not much to be honest, but I guess it's still welcome. Those cards are so powerful anyway, I dont think that their owners are having a hard time getting good fps
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This has to be one of the worst things that can happen to a man. I have (a bit above) average penis and still hear "It's too big for anal" or "slow down, it hurts" from time to time...
 
They still haven't fixed the issues with the screen going black for a few seconds. Never happens in games though, only when you're messing about in windows.
 
KuraiShidosha said:
Fuck the 50 series, worst GPU I've ever owned from Nvidia.

Back in March, I shipped my precious 4090 FE in to Nvidia for an RMA due to a burnt connector (thanks Corsair.) I used the FedEx label provided by Nvidia. When the package arrived, I didn't hear from Nvidia for 2 weeks so I emailed them asking what's the hold up. They said, "there's a problem with the package. Namely, that there's no GPU in the box." My heart sank and I fought for weeks to get them to open a claim with FedEx. They refused and basically I was fucked. Now out my favorite GPU I ever owned. It was the peak Nvidia card and will go down in history as the last truly incredible legacy card they'll ever release thanks to things like 32 bit CUDA deprecation.

I was forced into a bad spot. Either I cough up $2500 for another 4090, or I spend a little more and get a brand new 5090. Part of that price went into the fact that I wanted to waterblock my card (I already had a block for my 4090 while waiting for the RMA to come back, had to refund it) and so I refused to get another FE due to how whack the 5090 FE PCB design is. Had to get a MSI or Asus. Ended up with a MSI Gaming Trio OC.

This card sucks. It barely is faster than the 4090 I bought over 2.5 years prior. The extra VRAM probably won't matter before the card becomes obsolete. Then there's the drivers. Did you know you can't force anisotropic filtering with 50 series cards? If you do, you'll end up with horrible game breaking visual artifacts in dozens of games. Oh and this has been widely reported to Nvidia, they're aware of it and have no plans to fix it (did you wonder why they said they're intentionally not adding anisotropic filtering to the new Nvidia app? This is why.) Then for the last 2 ish months, DXVK was broken in 32 bit games causing them to crash. Lastly they're just plain buggy. Even after this driver update, there are still tons of issues with random games for this series. I'm now forced to get a 3050 or something if I want to play my old PhysX games. I'm just so pissed at the whole thing. Fuck the 50 series.
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That sucks! Surely you have the option to file a report/work with FedEx yourself? A big corporation like them seems like they'd be lenient if you haven't submitted potentially-scammy claims often.

Amazon and JP Morgan Chase worked with me when I had rare BS happen like a stolen package and a false charge on my account.
 
Celcius said:
They still haven't fixed the issues with the screen going black for a few seconds. Never happens in games though, only when you're messing about in windows.
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I changed my older IPS monitor to a new LG 240hz one and the issues went away completely. I had multiple random black screens in windows daily on my old monitor
 
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Grildon Tundy said:
That sucks! Surely you have the option to file a report/work with FedEx yourself? A big corporation like them seems like they'd be lenient if you haven't submitted potentially-scammy claims often.

Amazon and JP Morgan Chase worked with me when I had rare BS happen like a stolen package and a false charge on my account.
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Tried, FedEx won't work with you if you aren't the "owner" of the shipping label. Nvidia is and they have to file the claim but they don't pay for declared value to replace the card in case of loss, so they'd be opening an investigation that would lead to the proven loss and that means they'd be eating the theft. It's like a conflict of interest. Why would they cooperate and open an investigation that will result in them having to take a hit? Just ghost the customer and spare yourself from losing out. My only recourse is filing a complaint with consumer protections agency and I just don't have the time to sit and compile it all especially now that my 2nd child was just born this week.
 
Rivdoric said:
Keeping 4090, soon to be collector.
The last card to feature 32 bits CUDA & PhysX.
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The 4090 is not practical for such use case though. It's overkill and too expensive. People who want 32bit PhysX will rather use cheaper, low profile cards such as the 3050, which is still plenty powerful for those old games.
 
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Tried, FedEx won't work with you if you aren't the "owner" of the shipping label. Nvidia is and they have to file the claim but they don't pay for declared value to replace the card in case of loss, so they'd be opening an investigation that would lead to the proven loss and that means they'd be eating the theft. It's like a conflict of interest. Why would they cooperate and open an investigation that will result in them having to take a hit? Just ghost the customer and spare yourself from losing out. My only recourse is filing a complaint with consumer protections agency and I just don't have the time to sit and compile it all especially now that my 2nd child was just born this week.
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Wtf, they don't insure those things? You should've told them there had to be a card in there since they scan it and weighs them. Did you not get a receipt? These cards are pretty heavy.
 
Rivdoric said:
Keeping 4090, soon to be collector.
The last card to feature 32 bits CUDA & PhysX.
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It's a great card. but the fact that its display port is 1.4 only and doesn't have MFG ( I know some people hate it. But I think it's awesome, getting 240 frames with cyberpunk maxed everything with path tracing .. yeah ill take it. my brother doesn't get 120 with frame gen 2x on his 4090 .

However, I think I am done with PC upgrading for a while. i don't think ill jump from 5090 to 6090. The hardware is there, but the games aren't.

With that being said. I keep saying that to myself every generation. So who knows?

If it's just more power, then I am out 100%. But if it has something exclusive that is not available with the 5090, then I might have to think about it.
 
Got a 5080 for a month now and honestly works flawlessly, MFG is amazing playing ac shadows maxed out at 200-240 fps really felt great, and cyberpunk at 200-240 fps with path tracing. Hard to go back after experiencing it. Smooth motion also works great in games like avatar. So no issue's here.
 
Up to 5% performance gains is not bad.

I'll update, but not right now. These drivers are always unstable nowadays, so I'd rather wait until the issues are ironed out.
 
Kenpachii said:
Got a 5080 for a month now and honestly works flawlessly, MFG is amazing playing ac shadows maxed out at 200-240 fps really felt great, and cyberpunk at 200-240 fps with path tracing. Hard to go back after experiencing it. Smooth motion also works great in games like avatar. So no issue's here.
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What's your power draw at those settings and frames?
 
nkarafo said:
The 4090 is not practical for such use case though. It's overkill and too expensive. People who want 32bit PhysX will rather use cheaper, low profile cards such as the 3050, which is still plenty powerful for those old games.
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Ofc i was talking about "normal" people wanting to use 1 dedicated GPU, not the 0.0001% wanting to use 2 lol.
Being forced to install an auxiliary card just for Borderlands, Batman Arkham & Mirror's Edge would be very annoying, let's be real. 👀

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It's a great card. but the fact that its display port is 1.4 only and doesn't have MFG ( I know some people hate it. But I think it's awesome, getting 240 frames with cyberpunk maxed everything with path tracing .. yeah ill take it. my brother doesn't get 120 with frame gen 2x on his 4090 .

However, I think I am done with PC upgrading for a while. i don't think ill jump from 5090 to 6090. The hardware is there, but the games aren't.

With that being said. I keep saying that to myself every generation. So who knows?

If it's just more power, then I am out 100%. But if it has something exclusive that is not available with the 5090, then I might have to think about it.
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I can't say about MFG but even FGX2 on my 4090 doesn't satisfy me on fast content like Racing or FPS games. Not convincing at all as everything is a lot blurrier.
Friend of mine has 5000 and says MFG is a bit blurrier than FG X2, which is logical, so i would probably never use it at all, i'm too sensitive to smearing.
Also, because you want minimum "real" framerate for your FG base, the MFGX4 is useless if you're not playing on a 200hz screen, which again, is not my case and will probably never be. I don't need 240hz screen for my usage lol.
 
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Rivdoric said:
Ofc i was talking about "normal" people wanting to use 1 dedicated GPU, not the 0.0001% wanting to use 2 lol.
Being forced to install an auxiliary card just for Borderlands, Batman Arkham & Mirror's Edge would be very annoying, let's be real. 👀
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That's true for now and the 4090 is indeed the most powerful card that still supports this.

But when the 4090 won't be enough for modern games? If one still needs to play all those old PhysX games at their best, a lower profile auxiliary card will be preferable after that point since the 4090 is too much of a beast to be kept for that role.

Well, it's either that or these games will be updated/modded or there will be another way such as a wrapper that will fix this. Either way i don't think this is an important selling point for the 4090.
 
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Well, it's either that or these games will be updated/modded or there will be another way such as a wrapper that will fix this
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I really hope for a wrapper.
But for now everyone seems to agree that this will be very difficult as one need to access game source code to do a proper job.
Time will tell.

Also, i hope 6000 series will fix another 5000 annoying issue with forced anisotropic filtering.

Seems that 5000 serie don't like old & legacy gaming tbh.
 
Kenpachii said:
Got a 5080 for a month now and honestly works flawlessly, MFG is amazing playing ac shadows maxed out at 200-240 fps really felt great, and cyberpunk at 200-240 fps with path tracing. Hard to go back after experiencing it. Smooth motion also works great in games like avatar. So no issue's here.
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The only issue I have with my 5080 is that I would have like a bit more VRAM.

4k texture mods need it.
 
YeulEmeralda said:
The only issue I have with my 5080 is that I would have like a bit more VRAM.

4k texture mods need it.
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Same here, i heard that there are supers upcoming that will feature 24gb of v-ram so that fixes that. But it would have been nice if there was a 5080 24gb at launch. I only bought the 5080 because my laptop died on me and wanted to return towards desktop pc so didn't had much of a choice for more v-ram sadly.
 
Rivdoric said:
Also, i hope 6000 series will fix another 5000 annoying issue with forced anisotropic filtering.

Seems that 5000 serie don't like old & legacy gaming tbh.
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What's the issue with anisotropic filtering?

I tested the old Quake 3.exe and forced 16x filtering to it and it works for me on my 5060ti.
 
demigod said:
Wtf, they don't insure those things? You should've told them there had to be a card in there since they scan it and weighs them. Did you not get a receipt? These cards are pretty heavy.
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I had a receipt, even filled a police report for stolen item worth approx $2500. Even got Nvidia on the phone directly with FedEx customer support to get them to open the claim. The Nvidia guy explained to the FedEx woman how their own site has an FAQ that says anyone, sender, receiver or even a 3rd party can file a claim and the FedEx lady said that Nvidia specifically has a contractual agreement whereby only they can file a claim against any packages that they own. She said fine, whatever, we'll open the claim but it's not going to work. Sure enough a week later I get an email from FedEx saying the claim was denied and no further investigation into the package theft because of said agreement between Nvidia and FedEx. Just like the woman said. Nvidia ghosted me after that and now here I sit 3 months later with no 4090 FE and had to pay out of pocket for a 5090 so I could get back to using my PC as good as before. Mess.

My advice to anyone shipping an expensive item with RMA: pay for your own label where you are the owner of the package, pay for declared market value of the item, and film yourself examining the item in a UPS store (fuck FedEx) before boxing it up and handing it over to the employees for drop-off. Then if anything goes awry, you are the one in power to get a resolution and you won't be at the mercy of a 4 trillion dollar corporation that is so fucking stingy it can't be bothered to let the shipping company they are contracted with to do a proper investigation and make things right for a single customer.
 
KuraiShidosha said:
I had a receipt, even filled a police report for stolen item worth approx $2500. Even got Nvidia on the phone directly with FedEx customer support to get them to open the claim. The Nvidia guy explained to the FedEx woman how their own site has an FAQ that says anyone, sender, receiver or even a 3rd party can file a claim and the FedEx lady said that Nvidia specifically has a contractual agreement whereby only they can file a claim against any packages that they own. She said fine, whatever, we'll open the claim but it's not going to work. Sure enough a week later I get an email from FedEx saying the claim was denied and no further investigation into the package theft because of said agreement between Nvidia and FedEx. Just like the woman said. Nvidia ghosted me after that and now here I sit 3 months later with no 4090 FE and had to pay out of pocket for a 5090 so I could get back to using my PC as good as before. Mess.

My advice to anyone shipping an expensive item with RMA: pay for your own label where you are the owner of the package, pay for declared market value of the item, and film yourself examining the item in a UPS store (fuck FedEx) before boxing it up and handing it over to the employees for drop-off. Then if anything goes awry, you are the one in power to get a resolution and you won't be at the mercy of a 4 trillion dollar corporation that is so fucking stingy it can't be bothered to let the shipping company they are contracted with to do a proper investigation and make things right for a single customer.
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Pretty scummy by nvidia ... probably their low rank and file employees. You can forward your case to gamernexus, still waiting for steve to publish his anti-nvidia video, lol he declared gamernexus has started investigation against nvidia... i think 4 months back
 
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