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Guys gimme some perspective: how much longer before my i7 920 becomes a bottleneck?

Also, since its in a premade rig with locked bios, I can't OC it. If I buy a different mobo that supports the 920 and overclocking, can it be oc'd? Will that prolong its usefulness?
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Guys gimme some perspective: how much longer before my i7 920 becomes a bottleneck?

Also, since its in a premade rig with locked bios, I can't OC it. If I buy a different mobo that supports the 920 and overclocking, can it be oc'd? Will that prolong its usefulness?
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Depends on the bottleneck.
My 3770K at 4.6 Ghz is already a bottleneck for me trying to hit 120 fps in Hawken. It's totally fine if I was aiming for 60 fps though.
 
sk3tch said:
With that said - the PS4 will be a BEAST of a console and I applaud Sony's moves thus far. It looks like it will really kick ass. Linux, 8GB GDDR5, and x86...bravo.
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Agreed. I'll probably stay a PC guy next gen, but on the console front I don't think anyone could have realistically expected much better than what Sony's delivering. I'm really excited to see a real generational jump instead of the Wii-like transition that many were predicting.

1st Course said:
PC hardware already smoke whatever next gen consoles might have but that not the point, the problem is VRAM. VRAM always fuck PC gamers over the years and I think it will do with the start of next gen too.
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Eh, maybe. I imagine the cards we see this fall and onward will have a lot more VRAM. There's just not a lot of demand for it now because so few games need it.
 
memecomplex said:
Killzone 4 had me until 30fps...

Here we are trying to hit 120fps in our games...
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Killzone Shadow Fall is also a launch title, was mostly developed with the original 4 GB of RAM in mind, and furthermore it's Guerilla Games. None of the Killzone titles have ever targeted more than 30 fps and they have always had bigger problems than that, mainly with the intensely latency-encumbered controls (which give the Killzone titles their signature 'weight' because everything you do is delayed from when you press a button) and also with the fact that your perspective was always from your gun and not your head, which always made it look like your character was really really short. As first-party FPS franchises go, Killzone was always B-tier at best. I always considered Killzone massively overrated, I played through Killzone 2 grudgingly and didn't bother with Killzone 3.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Guys gimme some perspective: how much longer before my i7 920 becomes a bottleneck?

Also, since its in a premade rig with locked bios, I can't OC it. If I buy a different mobo that supports the 920 and overclocking, can it be oc'd? Will that prolong its usefulness?
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At this point I would just get a new mobo + CPU.
 
sk3tch said:
To help shoot down those going cray over the PS4, check out the review of this laptop - the MSI GX60:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GX60-Notebook.86283.0.html

It's running an AMD A10-4600M CPU (similar to the PS4) and it has a Radeon HD 7970M (approximate to a desktop AMD Radeon HD 7870) - it gets creamed by laptops running Intel CPUs with a similar GPU. Mind you, these are mobile GPUs so even the top-end 680M is around a desktop GTX 670 (at best) - so Titan will blow this out of the water. Nevermind the desktop CPUs versus these mobile chips.

There's just really no comparison.

With that said - the PS4 will be a BEAST of a console and I applaud Sony's moves thus far. It looks like it will really kick ass. Linux, 8GB GDDR5, and x86...bravo.
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I don't know why people are getting so worked up over the console news. My chief concern is weird ports a la GTA IV, but that aside, I'm not particularly concerned about consoles suddenly catching up with high-end PCs. Sony can scarcely afford to manufacture a box and sell it for ~$400 and have it compete with a $2000 custom PC.

Dreams-Visions said:
Understood. I'll wait for the next gem MOBos and CPUs.
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Well, that's Haswell, but from what I've read, Intel isn't looking to do much beyond increasing power efficiency for laptops and other mobile devices. Yawn.

And it's not like they need to reinvent the wheel atm. With AMD sitting firmly in second place with respect to the current batch of CPUs, Intel can afford to sit on its laurels for at least a bit.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Guys gimme some perspective: how much longer before my i7 920 becomes a bottleneck?

Also, since its in a premade rig with locked bios, I can't OC it. If I buy a different mobo that supports the 920 and overclocking, can it be oc'd? Will that prolong its usefulness?
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Get X79. Now. 3820, gogogo.
TheVampire said:
How can that CPU at that speed bottleneck it?
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Every game places a varying amount of bottleneck on a CPU. Games are *always* bottlenecked by both CPU and GPU, it's just a question of 'to what extent?'

With any UE3 game, your performance is almost directly related to your clock speed. For instance:

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That's a huge difference. It keeps going up the more you clock it too.
 
I know we have a PC thread. But I figured I've gotten to know you guys pretty well in our wait for Titan, and hell we all spent 2 grand (or will spend 2 grand) on these GPUs. Fair to say we are enthusiasts.

So I have a question. My mobo and CPU are pretty embarrassing. Especially considering the equipment I have in this setup and the resolution I play at (my CPU oc at 3.4ghz to give you an idea). I was considering getting an P9x79 board + i7 3820. Should I just wait until haswell releases at this point? Or will the above setup hold me over for a while? I don't know if the jump to Haswell is supposed to be massive or not.
 
Catatonic said:
So I have a question. My mobo and CPU are pretty embarrassing. Especially considering the equipment I have in this setup and the resolution I play at (my CPU oc at 3.4ghz to give you an idea). I was considering getting an P9x79 board + i7 3820. Should I just wait until haswell releases at this point? Or will the above setup hold me over for a while? I don't know if the jump to Haswell is supposed to be massive or not.
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You can always wait. I say go for it now - X79 is great. Sandy Bridge E CPUs today (like the 3820 you're looking at) and Ivy Bridge E CPUs in Q3 '13. They are rumored to be 8+ core beasts.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/8_core_sandybridge_e_and_6_12_core_ivybridge_e_in_2013.html

Z77 is awesome and Haswell will be awesome, as well. But for today, X79 is a wiser choice if you stress about the future. Especially with a lot of deals on great boards out there. Just don't be too tempted to stray too far into the crazy price range on a mobo if you don't think you will need all of the features (i.e. a $400 ASUS Rampage IV Extreme is not likely something you need - try one of their lower tier X79 boards which are excellent, as well...just not 4-way capable, etc.).
 
sk3tch said:
Word. Best platform, too - Ivy Bridge-E dropping in Q3.
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Definitely exciting but I hope the performance gains doesn't make them overprice it like crazy. I just got a 3930k but with enough incentive and good pricing, I would upgrade to Ivy Bridge-E pending it's good on heat and other factors.

I agree on the MB advice. It's not necessary to really go super high end. I got the Sabertooth X79 and feel like I may have gone too high but I also feel really good about having a platform that can sustain at least several years of upgrades.

The only things that would make me get the itch to build on a new platform is CPU spec, DDR4, or something else that my current board won't be able to do. I feel really confident that we will see other 2011 socket CPU's so I really can't say that I am disappointed in getting a 3930k. It's fast and very future proof.

If Ivy Bridge brings extra PCIe lanes or other benefits then I will have to seriously look at it so long as things like heat aren't an issue.
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
Definitely exciting but I hope the performance gains doesn't make them overprice it like crazy. I just got a 3930k but with enough incentive and good pricing, I would upgrade to Ivy Bridge-E pending it's good on heat and other factors.
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The 3930k should last you a good while, especially if the upcoming console generation focuses more on number of cores than per-core performance when doing PC ports, then 6 cores+ will certainly come to its rights.
 
X79 will have a drop in chip upgrade with Ivy-E. X79 has 40 PCI-E lanes where SB, IVB, and Haswell have 16.

They call it the "enthusiast" socket for a reason.

For people in this thread that aren't up to date, X79 and a 3820 are the way to go. Gotta be careful on mono selection though.
 
Sethos said:
The 3930k should last you a good while, especially if the upcoming console generation focuses more on number of cores than per-core performance when doing PC ports, then 6 cores+ will certainly come to its rights.
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Yeah, nevermind that the upcoming consoles are all AMD CPU-based - so they're dogs in comparison to Intel's offerings.
 
mkenyon said:
X79 will have a drop in chip upgrade with Ivy-E. X79 has 40 PCI-E lanes where SB, IVB, and Haswell have 16.

They call it the "enthusiast" socket for a reason.

For people in this thread that aren't up to date, X79 and a 3820 are the way to go. Gotta be careful on mono selection though.
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Thanks a bunch guys. Can you recommend what you think is the best version of X79? (Manufacture).
 
Catatonic said:
Thanks a bunch guys. Can you recommend what you think is the best version of X79? (Manufacture).
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Personally, I'm an ASUS man but in that situation it comes down to preference mostly I'd say. Some obviously have some minor pros / cons but on the whole, the entire established range is a green light.

So, focus on what you'd like the overall colour scheme to be or look at features / cost-ratio.
 
I've constantly said that I don't like to speculate on what next gen games will need and how hardware from today will fare with the n-threaded engines. But.....

I will be completely shocked if a 2500K is a significant bottleneck in any next gen console ports, at least for the first few years. I'll take an avatar bet on that. In fact, I will go as far to say it will be LESS of a bottleneck than it is now, with the move from single/dual threaded engines to 4 to n threads.

I wouldn't be surprised if a 3820 or 3930K is a beast in terms of continuing to dominate console ports for the next console life cycle.
Catatonic said:
Thanks a bunch guys. Can you recommend what you think is the best version of X79? (Manufacture).
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ASUS and ASRock boards are the only ones that can consistently OC the 3820. You need to do it through BCLK and multiplier, as the multiplier only goes up to 43. I think the Rampage IV Gene is a really really rad board at its price.
 
Catatonic said:
Thanks a bunch guys. Can you recommend what you think is the best version of X79? (Manufacture).
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I love ASUS. I've been tempted by EVGA a few times although they have an iffy track record. This board is awesome bang/buck...not too expensive, but not barebones by any means.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131800

If you want cheap, this Intel board does not look bad at all. I'd spend the extra $100 on the ASUS...but this is not a bad option:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121552

EDIT: pretty shocking that NVIDIA and their partners aren't throwing us big dollar Titan buyers a "free 2 play" bone with their bundle they have...haha. wtf...
http://www.geforce.com/landing-page/free-2-play
 
mkenyon said:
X79 will have a drop in chip upgrade with Ivy-E. X79 has 40 PCI-E lanes where SB, IVB, and Haswell have 16.

They call it the "enthusiast" socket for a reason.

For people in this thread that aren't up to date, X79 and a 3820 are the way to go. Gotta be careful on mono selection though.
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Ah ha, I don't feel so bad for not waiting on Intels next "tick" then :P

Sethos said:
Personally, I'm an ASUS man but in that situation it comes down to preference mostly I'd say. Some obviously have some minor pros / cons but on the whole, the entire established range is a green light.

So, focus on what you'd like the overall colour scheme to be or look at features / cost-ratio.
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I'm an ASUS convert myself. I did come from a p67 Biostar MB which served me VERY well but ASUS is in another league in my opinion. The Sabertooth MB is nice and also on the X79 version, it doesn't have that plastic all over the MB like some of the other platforms.

mkenyon said:
I've constantly said that I don't like to speculate on what next gen games will need and how hardware from today will fare with the n-threaded engines. But.....

I will be completely shocked if a 2500K is a significant bottleneck in any next gen console ports, at least for the first few years. I'll take an avatar bet on that. In fact, I will go as far to say it will be LESS of a bottleneck than it is now, with the move from single/dual threaded engines to 4 to n threads.
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I tend to agree with this logic. We're getting knee deep into multicore systems and the consoles using this approach bodes well for more utilization of all them precious cores we pay for on PC.
 
That's more enticing than the AMD one to almost all of my gaming buddies. Hawken and PS2 are the go-to games right now (not for me though, hate PS2 lots).

But, I'd say X79 Pro followed by ASRock Extreme6 for the value range, and Rampage IV Gene if you aren't planning on more than two way SLI.

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And the Sabertooth if you want a bit more feature rich board than the X79 Pro, don't want mATX, and don't want to spend the big bucks on the Rampage IV Formula.
 
sk3tch said:
EDIT: pretty shocking that NVIDIA and their partners aren't throwing us big dollar Titan buyers a "free 2 play" bone with their bundle they have...haha. wtf...
http://www.geforce.com/landing-page/free-2-play
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It's quite sad they are offering us nothing, the F2P bundle or even EVGA offering their Free AC3 like they do with pretty much every card.

Remember back in the day where you'd buy a GPU and it would be like a box full of crazy stuff. Now you get a power cable and some foam :(
 
I'd post this in the Need a PC thread, but since it's a high end part I figured I'd do it here instead.

Lian Li V750WX for just a tad over $300 right now on Newegg. That's a little over $120 off MSRP.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112381

Same case without window and black interior is just under $290.

That can hold XL-ATX and HPTX (SR2/dual socket motherboards) while having the form factor of a mid tower. All aluminum, can hold a 240mm rad out of the gate, easily modded for a 420/360 and a 240. This was on the short list of 5 cases that I considered the absolute best when planning out my next project. If it were 20% off when I bought my SM5, would have gone this route.
 
Koroviev said:
Yeah, that's not how you treat your enthusiast customers, especially in light of what AMD is doing for the mid range and up.
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but if this is what AMD is offering enthusiasts, it's pretty clear why customers accept whatever way Nvidia is treating them

HardOCP wrote about how Crossfire was way less smooth compared to SLI last year which is why I got the 670s , and a year later nothing seems to have been changed ...
 
OTOH, you've just splurged £800+ on a GPU. I think you can afford to buy some games that are already being discounted pretty heavily anyway.

Gigabyte are throwing in a mousepad (I know right) with their Titan too.
 
n0n44m said:
but if this is what AMD is offering enthusiasts, it's pretty clear why customers accept whatever way Nvidia is treating them

HardOCP wrote about how Crossfire was way less smooth compared to SLI last year which is why I got the 670s , and a year later nothing seems to have been changed ...
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I'm well aware of CFs shortcomings :p

I'm simply talking about single-card purchases.
 
n0n44m said:
but if this is what AMD is offering enthusiasts, it's pretty clear why customers accept whatever way Nvidia is treating them

HardOCP wrote about how Crossfire was way less smooth compared to SLI last year which is why I got the 670s , and a year later nothing seems to have been changed ...
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1) We need to see details of the methodology. They don't even list the drivers in use.
2) I'd like to see results from a number of titles, as well as with 3x Crossfire to get a better idea of what is going on.

I have a really hard time believing that somewhere between DirectX and the display the frame times get *WORSE*. I get the NVIDIA voodoo, as they have a built in driver system to smooth things out and even introduce a frame of latency to take the time to match things up. But going in the opposite direction is really hard to believe.

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I don't mean to sound defensive, I just need to see more definitive data before I bite. This looks really interesting, and I'm excited to see more.
 
Terbinator said:
Gigabyte are throwing in a mousepad (I know right) with their Titan too.
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I once bought a Point of View GPU that came with this little tacky green voicebox that said some completely stupid, incomprehensible sentence that I can't remember, "Point of View next something something".

It's the thought that counts!
 
mkenyon said:
I don't mean to sound defensive, I just need to see more definitive data before I bite. This looks really interesting, and I'm excited to see more.
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Its obviously an issue somewhere in their drivers/BIOS because the same thing used to happen with a single-card. But, like you, i'm certainly looking forward to reading a more in-depth analysis.
 
n0n44m said:
that's not enthusiast territory anymore these days ;)

enthusiast means 120 Hz or 1440p ... that's Titan or dual GPU pretty much
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I use a 120Hz monitor for gaming, so maybe I "need" a Titan? ;)

That and another 120Hz display. Where's that refresh? Glossy or no buy!

Although, I'd still only be using the one monitor for actually playing games...
 
x79 and 3820 still overclocks easy? even though its not a K part? I was planning on haswell I5... and waiting for it, but maybe not....
 
I went with a 1600p monitor and actually love the 16.10 ratio. It's just personally easier for me to focus on the game with less eye strain. I can't do widescreen gaming I tried. I also obviously love the resolution jump.

What I don't love is the lower fps and the memory it takes to run it. So as with all things, there is always a price. Still I've considered going back to 1080p with 120hz. I've always been torn on higher resolution vs refresh rate (which I know is the common debate for enthusiasts). My only issue with 120hz monitors is: I. I like my screen to at least be 27 inch. IMO 1080p at 27 inch doesn't look that good compared to smaller screens at 1080. So I think at 27 you really need 1440p at least. II. Not all games run at 120fps. Some games are just poorly optimized and it doesn't matter what you have under the hood. Like I would love to play Assasins Creed 3, Crysis 3 or Metro 2033 at 120 but that's not going to happen (unless I drop settings).

But still, you can't beat that smoothness of a 120hz monitor.

Has anyone here ever tried Nvidia 3D gaming? Never have. Curious if its actually a good experience.
 
While I doubt I'll ever join the Titan party myself it is awesome watching this side of things and benefiting from the fruits of your upgrade fever.
 
Alacrity said:
x79 and 3820 still overclocks easy? even though its not a K part? I was planning on haswell I5... and waiting for it, but maybe not....
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You can overclock with the base clock on X79 and the multiplier is limited to 43 on the 3820 so 5Ghz is possible with decent cooling. Does help that it is slightly cheaper than the 3770k even though the mobos are expensive.
 
Catatonic said:
I went with a 1600p monitor and actually love the 16.10 ratio. It's just personally easier for me to focus on the game with less eye strain. I can't do widescreen gaming I tried. I also obviously love the resolution jump.

What I don't love is the lower fps and the memory it takes to run it. So as with all things, there is always a price. Still I've considered going back to 1080p with 120hz. I've always been torn on higher resolution vs refresh rate (which I know is the common debate for enthusiasts). My only issue with 120hz monitors is: I. I like my screen to at least be 27 inch. IMO 1080p at 27 inch doesn't look that good compared to smaller screens at 1080. So I think at 27 you really need 1440p at least. II. Not all games run at 120fps. Some games are just poorly optimized and it doesn't matter what you have under the hood. Like I would love to play Assasins Creed 3, Crysis 3 or Metro 2033 at 120 but that's not going to happen (unless I drop settings).

But still, you can't beat that smoothness of a 120hz monitor.

Has anyone here ever tried Nvidia 3D gaming? Never have. Curious if its actually a good experience.
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My score on this reaction time test improved by about 100ms after going to a 144hz monitor. Consistently. I'm still trying to figure out why. Needless to say, I'll be keeping the monitor.

Pics or it didn't happen.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/SapientWolf/ReactionTime144hz_zps15d978d3.png
 
mkenyon said:
I will be completely shocked if a 2500K is a significant bottleneck in any next gen console ports, at least for the first few years. I'll take an avatar bet on that. In fact, I will go as far to say it will be LESS of a bottleneck than it is now, with the move from single/dual threaded engines to 4 to n threads.
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Isn't that CPU Already bottlenecking players in Planetside2? I feel like I read that on reddit all the time, my buddy has that CPU as well and I definitely get better frames than him with my i7.
 
Lactose_Intolerant said:
i got top 50 and that was on a 60hz
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Dude, upgrade. I'm gunning for the top 10 right now and my reaction time was nothing special before. But I'm derailing at this point.

If I ever go for an ultra high end GPU like the Titan it will be for framerates and not pixels. But my current i5-750 rig would be CPU bottlenecked, even with an aggressive overclock.
 
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