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[NY times] Is the Awkward ‘Diversity Era’ of Hollywood Behind Us?

LectureMaster

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Is the Awkward ‘Diversity Era’ of Hollywood Behind Us?​

The past decade’s clumsiest attempts to cram new faces into old stories now feel like a moment, and a genre, of their own.

A photo illustration with various movie clips collaged together.


By Kabir Chibber
Dec. 4, 2024

Hollywood has its eras, often apparent only in retrospect. Think back several years: Do you remember packed theaters giving Black-power salutes at screenings of “Black Panther”? Do you remember when an all-female version of “Ghostbusters” was treated as a pioneering development? Do you remember when the writer of a “Star Wars” film described the Empire as a “white supremacist (human) organization” after Donald Trump’s 2016 election? Has enough time now passed to say that was all a bit strange?

Looking back, you can see a period when identitarian politics were in cultural ascendancy; you can spot the moments when our media overlords — on their back feet over rage at the crimes of Harvey Weinstein, the paucity of nonwhite nominees at the Oscars, the aftermath of George Floyd’s death — vowed to change their ways and atone for their past. But what was particular to the Hollywood of the 2010s was the way these politics fused with the industry’s insatiable demand for sequels, spinoffs and reboots, giving us a curious and mercenary new invention: the inclusive multimillion-dollar blockbuster. (The BIPOCbuster, if you will.) It’s the same old thing, but with a bold and visionary new twist: fewer white guys.

Or at least it was. The moment is easier to see now that it has ebbed. Many of the films it produced seemed to imagine themselves as barrier-breaking productions, landmarks like “In the Heat of the Night.” In reality, they have come to feel more like a niche genre of their own, the way spaghetti westerns or blaxploitation films do — unique products of a particular cultural moment that now require context and explanation to understand. They remind me, more than anything, of 1980s action flicks, a genre whose tropes and ideologies feel almost comically redolent of a specific era, whether the films are good or so-bad-they’re-good. This was the decade of Sylvester Stallone’s going back to Vietnam to try to win the war for Reagan’s America in “Rambo: First Blood Part II,” the decade of flat-topped martial-arts commandos, good cops who don’t play by the rules, gunshots that make cars explode, brawny henchmen machine-gunned by the dozens. But by the time we reached the 1993 meta-action-comedy “Last Action Hero” — an irony-laden genre sendup in which a boy magically gets to become the sidekick to a fictional hero played by Arnold Schwarzenegger — you could hear the death knell of the kinds of films Schwarzenegger and Stallone and Jean-Claude Van Damme had been making for years.

Is that what watching “Barbie” might feel like in 10 years — once, perhaps, “the patriarchy” feels like a clearly of-the-moment choice for a Big Bad? The tropes of this passing era are as familiar and easily spotted as with older periods. There is, for one thing, the showy, self-satisfied gender-swapping, as with that 2016 election-year reboot of “Ghostbusters.” That movie prompted enough openly misogynistic and racist backlash to make it look as if it must be a noble endeavor — as if any Hollywood executives who got reactionaries frothing at the mouth must be accomplishing something important, even if all they did was tweak the balance of characters in a dusty franchise.

Then there are the paper-thin “diverse” characters parachuted into major films — put front and center on every poster but given curiously little to do as the plot unfolds. Brie Larson’s Captain Marvel was set up as the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe but ended up playing no decisive role in its most important films. (She was later joined by a Black woman and a Muslim woman in the sequel “The Marvels,” another in a series of firsts, but still a throwaway film.) Many attempts to diversify old intellectual property only emphasized how awkward and unwelcoming those worlds were to the kinds of people they wanted to include: The characters could do nothing to change the old logic of the stories they were dropped into.

Other films tried too hard to correct the past, judging their original white male protagonists far more harshly than anyone in the audience did. In the final James Bond film from Daniel Craig, “No Time to Die,” Bond has been replaced as Agent 007 by a Black woman, played by Lashana Lynch (can you remember her name or her drink of choice?); he obsesses over girlfriends dead and alive; he is unable to seduce. (A much younger Ana de Armas laughs at the thought.) By the end, you’re just happy that this poor man, now totally out of time, has been put out of his misery. The old Bond films are distinctly of their era but feel timeless; what’s surprising is how quickly this one, in its desperation to be modern, has come to feel dated.

Yet this cultural moment did open doors. Hollywood was right that audiences were hungry for different stories, eager to see more types of people onscreen. The industry’s failure was in not finding enough creative ways to satisfy that appetite.

But just as the ranks of ’80s action shoot-’em-ups contain the odd “Terminator” or “Die Hard,” a cheesy era in movies can produce gems. In a previous age — even, perhaps, during the Obama years — “Get Out” might have been a cult horror film; in 2017, it instead became a global phenomenon, and Jordan Peele won the autonomy to make audacious films and turn into a rare kind of American auteur. And while Hollywood might have continued its overcorrection by giving “Everything Everywhere All at Once” seven Oscars, it is nonetheless fun to have a best-picture winner that has more in common with “The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension” than “Lawrence of Arabia.” The masterful, race-obsessed HBO sequel to the “Watchmen” graphic novel exists in large part because the creator of “Lost” learned about the 1921 Tulsa massacre for the first time. And streaming television has become excellent at providing light, fun entertainment rooted in a broader range of cultural experiences, from gay rom-coms like “Red White and Royal Blue” to bigger-budget adaptations like “Interior Chinatown” — projects that almost surely would not have happened a generation ago.

Hollywood is no less dependent than before on its original lore, its Aliens and Star Wars and Missions Impossible, recycled over and over to keep us entertained. The industry tried to update these formulas with new faces, but many of its efforts felt dutiful, insincere, too earnest and self-satisfied. Say what you want about the flaws of Schwarzenegger’s or Sergio Leone’s oeuvres, but they have survived the changing times because they are fun, something the P.C. blockbuster rarely had going for it. It’s conceivable that the close of this era will involve Hollywood’s backsliding away from any inclusion in films — that Shang-Chi was the last Asian hero and that we will return to Tom Cruise’s flying in to save the day. At least we no longer have to pretend to like something because it has the right politics, or because the people most vocally against it are Nazis.

Of course, cultural moments always look most dated right as we move past them. Who is to say that films from the diversity era cannot, down the line, return to relevance in unexpected ways? In “Dr. Strangelove,” from 1964, Gen. Jack D. Ripper starts World War III because he fears the fluoride in drinking water is robbing the nation of its “precious bodily fluids” — a detail that may, in a few months, have renewed resonance with the nation’s secretary of health and human services. Or consider these words: “In America, there’s a burglary every 11 seconds, an armed robbery every 65 seconds, a violent crime every 25 seconds, a murder every 24 minutes and 250 rapes a day.” Trump’s imminent apocalyptic inauguration speech about American carnage? Actually, those are the opening lines of “Cobra,” a violent, nasty 1986 film written by and starring Stallone. Hear it now, and you may no longer mutter, “It was a different time.”
 

rm082e

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Why the fuck is Everything, Everywhere, All At Once in the banner?
This:

And while Hollywood might have continued its overcorrection by giving “Everything Everywhere All at Once” seven Oscars, it is nonetheless fun to have a best-picture winner that has more in common with “The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension” than “Lawrence of Arabia.”
 

Meicyn

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It's a genuine banger of a film though, I hope people don't think it's "woke" or some shit
Yep, it’s an amazing movie and won Oscars not for a diversity quota, but because it’s a well-crafted film. Even the ever cynical Critical Drinker loved it. Attributing it’s wins with a Hollywood overcorrection is peak stupid.
 

Davesky

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Woke culture to me always seemed like a glorified and extremely radicalised version of previous subcultures such as the goth, punk or emo movement. Unfortunately instead of kids growing out hair, wearing makeup and acting metrosexual they literally decided to cut off their own balls.
There is always going to be some kids that need to feel they are unique and belong to something, and unfortunately globilization and the Internet has taken that away.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Yep, it’s an amazing movie and won Oscars not for a diversity quota, but because it’s a well-crafted film. Even the ever cynical Critical Drinker loved it. Attributing it’s wins with a Hollywood overcorrection is peak stupid.

Considering the movies Motion Picture Academy members usually go for when they vote for the Best Picture award, the term "overcorrection" is correct. Although it has to be said that the nominees for 2023 weren't that strong in my opinion.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Do you remember when the writer of a “Star Wars” film described the Empire as a “white supremacist (human) organization” after Donald Trump’s 2016 election?
wtf I love the empire now

That's literally what the Empire was during the old Star Wars EU. Back then the writers only had the movies to base their lore off of, and since the movies were filmed in England all of the Imperials were white British dudes. So in the old EU the Empire was an extremely racist and xenophobic organization. The huge deal about the Thrawn trilogy and Thrawn himself was that he was an alien who worked his way up to Grand Admiral in the xenophobic Empire.

But people have selective memory about such things.
 
i didnt read cuz is probably BS.

The "awkwardness" is still very much present when, you know, the media is being woke. But genuine diversity has always existed 🤷‍♂️....These dumbfucks are so damn annoying.
 

YCoCg

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7 Oscars is an over correction.
What's an acceptable amount of Oscar's then? Which ones didn't it "deserve"?

Edit: La La Land got 6 and to me that film is trash, Shakespeare in Love also got 7 and that movie was utter tosh, West Side Story got 10 and that's a damn cheesy musical.

But people are angry that Everything Everywhere All At Once got 7 and calling it an "overcorrection"? Please.

Edit 2: FUCKING BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY GOT 4 INCLUDING EDITING! FUCKING FOUR!
 
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Yep, it’s an amazing movie and won Oscars not for a diversity quota, but because it’s a well-crafted film. Even the ever cynical Critical Drinker loved it. Attributing it’s wins with a Hollywood overcorrection is peak stupid.
It got 3 (three) Oscars for ACTING though. Imagine one going into this movie with that knowledge alone… You‘d think you would watch something like The Shawshank Redemption…

I mean, we can freely talk about the movie makers getting the Oscars but the giving them to the actors was virtue signaling.
 

YCoCg

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It got 3 (three) Oscars for ACTING though. Imagine one going into this movie with that knowledge alone… You‘d think you would watch something like The Shawshank Redemption…

I mean, we can freely talk about the movie makers getting the Oscars but the giving them to the actors was virtue signaling.
Bohemian Rhapsody got an Oscar for editing and that was a jumbled mess

 
Bohemian Rhapsody got an Oscar for editing and that was a jumbled mess


Again, it got 3 (THREE)…. T…. H…. R…. E… E… Oscars for acting.

Quick Google search tells me the last movie accomplishing that was back in 76. Now take all the classics that came out since and put them beside EAAO and perhaps you realise how ridiculous that was.
 

YCoCg

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Again, it got 3 (THREE)…. T…. H…. R…. E… E… Oscars for acting.

Quick Google search tells me the last movie accomplishing that was back in 76. Now take all the classics that came out since and put them beside EAAO and perhaps you realise how ridiculous that was.
Are you also angry that LOTR: Return of the King blew out nearly everything in 2003? Winning that many sfx awards hasn't been seen or done since.

Edit: and imo the only one who didn't deserve the Oscar was Jamie Lee Curtis so even if that were the case it'd be cutting the only white actress who won which I guess would still get people complaining.
 
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BlackTron

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Problem is Hollywoke pushed woke so hard that every show starring anyone who is not straight white male is precieved as being woke.

Now Hollywoke have to figure out how to get out of the mess they created.

Yeah and we actually had diversity just fine before all this, by over forcing it now they made it an awkward problem.

Overcorrecting by focusing on Tom Cruise types would look bad on everyone now, both filmmakers and audiences, but I almost feel like this is necessary for a phase to land back at natural, non-forced diversity eventually. It's analogous to having to go through a period of harder right politics because the left overextended.

Along the way there will be a lot more arguing and hurt feelings sowing more division. It's like this whole arc was written to deunify everyone.

Anyway, for NYT to run this piece is huge. The mere fact of it being referred to as a diversity ERA and that it might have actually been awkward is a huge admittance. Posturing for the next decade.
 
Problem is Hollywoke pushed woke so hard that every show starring anyone who is not straight white male is precieved as being woke.

Now Hollywoke have to figure out how to get out of the mess they created.
Yeah and we actually had diversity just fine before all this, by over forcing it now they made it an awkward problem.

Overcorrecting by focusing on Tom Cruise types would look bad on everyone now, both filmmakers and audiences, but I almost feel like this is necessary for a phase to land back at natural, non-forced diversity eventually.
There’s a quick bandaid solution here for most problems that people in every corner continue to ignore: Hiring better writers.

The only big problem is you’d need a miracle writer for is those moments where Hollywood is too scared to move on to other, newer ideas and I.P., because established I.P. where most of fan pushback and culture war stuff is happening.

Multiple well known franchises are constantly being squeezed dry and will continue to be as no one knows how to market lower budget/indie films anymore except for A24 (sometimes). Not only are the anti-woke crowd tired of seeing this, mass audiences are becoming apathetic too.
 

Panajev2001a

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showy, self-satisfied gender-swapping, as with that 2016 election-year reboot of “Ghostbusters.” That movie prompted enough openly misogynistic and racist backlash to make it look as if it must be a noble endeavor
That movies was genuine self indulgent trash. It felt like a misogynistic collection of tropes. It felt like the movie wanted to prove that gender swapping would make for a worse movie with cliches and botched comedy timing.
 

BlackTron

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There’s a quick bandaid solution here for most problems that people in every corner continue to ignore: Hiring better writers.

The only big problem is you’d need a miracle writer for is those moments where Hollywood is too scared to move on to other, newer ideas and I.P., because established I.P. where most of fan pushback and culture war stuff is happening.

Multiple well known franchises are constantly being squeezed dry and will continue to be as no one knows how to market lower budget/indie films anymore except for A24 (sometimes). Not only are the anti-woke crowd tired of seeing this, mass audiences are becoming apathetic too.

Sure this problem is closely related because identity politics are often seen as a replacement for having to write anything. "We already check-marked the ingredients."

But by abusing this, they created a world where they could make a good movie, and get backlash for a nonwhite actor. Not because they're all white supremacists, but because Hollywood made woke and copping out synonymous. And since noticing patterns is a fundamentally human trait, you'd need to turn your brain off completely not to get a tired reaction from a diverse movie poster.

So now they're damned either way. Have diversity, be associated with garbage woke output through decade of conditioning. Change it, and appear like backpedaling, racist chameleons. Either way, one side will vilify the other for ruining everything, as nature slowly heals back to equilibrium where no one cares.
 

BlackTron

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Haven't you heard, Asians are White adjacent. So they are almost as evil.
Hey wasn't it cool when Hollywood treated minority characters like individual people who just happened to be a different race?

You know instead of distilling all identities to where they happen to stand on the oppressed vs oppressor axis to show "bravery" and "strength".

Yeah this woke push has been so great for showing minorities' acting chops, many favors. MUCH better than the 90s...the people who root for all this are just useful idiots hurting themselves.
 
That's literally what the Empire was during the old Star Wars EU. Back then the writers only had the movies to base their lore off of, and since the movies were filmed in England all of the Imperials were white British dudes. So in the old EU the Empire was an extremely racist and xenophobic organization. The huge deal about the Thrawn trilogy and Thrawn himself was that he was an alien who worked his way up to Grand Admiral in the xenophobic Empire.

But people have selective memory about such things.
It's obvious the original Star Wars was a Vietnam war story where plucky rebels, fighting for their homes, defeated a massively more powerful opponent.
 

winjer

Gold Member
Hey wasn't it cool when Hollywood treated minority characters like individual people who just happened to be a different race?

You know instead of distilling all identities to where they happen to stand on the oppressed vs oppressor axis to show "bravery" and "strength".

Yeah this woke push has been so great for showing minorities' acting chops, many favors. MUCH better than the 90s...the people who root for all this are just useful idiots hurting themselves.

I'm from a time when films, media and videogames pushed the concept that we were all the equal. That skin colour was just a superficial trait.
And for a while, it was working. Newer generations were getting more acceptable of people of other races.
But now, we are back at ranking people, by their skin colour. It's insanity, that we went back into the race divide.
Identity politics is a cancer on our society.
 

BlackTron

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It's obvious the original Star Wars was a Vietnam war story where plucky rebels, fighting for their homes, defeated a massively more powerful opponent.

It's been stated by Lucas since olden times the Empire represented America, but I don't even count on people at Disney to be aware of this, or to have stated the Empire is "patriarchal" at that moment in time inspired by nothing but Star Wars lore/trivia. I don't know why, I just sense it was inspired by some other factor.
 

BlackTron

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I'm from a time when films, media and videogames pushed the concept that we were all the equal. That skin colour was just a superficial trait.
And for a while, it was working. Newer generations were getting more acceptable of people of other races.
But now, we are back at ranking people, by their skin colour. It's insanity, that we went back into the race divide.
Identity politics is a cancer on our society.

100% this. I was raised to think of all that as "American". Old media underscored how meaningless skin color is supposed to be.

Now, they need something to divide us with, and they picked race. So in the guise of being "diverse", they're stirring shit and making it so skin color matters more than ever.

Evil is afoot.
 
Are you also angry that LOTR: Return of the King blew out nearly everything in 2003? Winning that many sfx awards hasn't been seen or done since.

Edit: and imo the only one who didn't deserve the Oscar was Jamie Lee Curtis so even if that were the case it'd be cutting the only white actress who won which I guess would still get people complaining.
I‘m angry that Fellowship didn’t get all those Oscars already because it deserved them and back then it wouldn’t have felt it got em „just because“.
 

Lambogenie

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The black power stuff was so damn cringe during Black Panther. The total and utter disrespect and negation of previous black cinema, TV and entertainment was baffling. The idea of an all black cast (minus Klaw) as some beacon... despite having many excellent movies with mostly black or Asian actors. It was a farce and people were lapping it up. It also lightly occurred with Spider-Verse.

Everything Everywhere... while I thought was average, it was to me not a woke attempt, but i also know Michelle Yeoh is a damn star. The story and setting was intentional and not some BS "woke" thing. Same way previous Black cast movies had been, it has its place.

What needs to stop is trying to make every movie setting and theme diverse. It's as insulting and bad as white saviors roles (Mat Damon in that Chinese movie).
 

Tams

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The black power stuff was so damn cringe during Black Panther. The total and utter disrespect and negation of previous black cinema, TV and entertainment was baffling. The idea of an all black cast (minus Klaw) as some beacon... despite having many excellent movies with mostly black or Asian actors. It was a farce and people were lapping it up. It also lightly occurred with Spider-Verse.

Everything Everywhere... while I thought was average, it was to me not a woke attempt, but i also know Michelle Yeoh is a damn star. The story and setting was intentional and not some BS "woke" thing. Same way previous Black cast movies had been, it has its place.

What needs to stop is trying to make every movie setting and theme diverse. It's as insulting and bad as white saviors roles (Mat Damon in that Chinese movie).

Everything Everywhere wasn't woke, no.

But the glut of awards it got absolutely was. And, I may be remembering this wrong, even Michelle Yeoh started to agree with some of the woke commentary around it.
 
I got to the scene with the daughter in Everything, Everywhere, All at Once and decided it was in fact another crap movie people propped up for cultural reasons.

Michelle Yeoh was dope in Tomorrow Never Dies however.
 
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thefool

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I don't think it's behind us, they are still in positions of power in most institutions, especially movies. Even if their output is arguably the worst this industry has ever seen, they are hiding in plain sight. We've crossed the chasm but it takes time for a new generation to assume control.

The other option is accelerationism, you either adapt to the new reality or get left behind.
 
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kruis

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It's in hibernation. I doubt it'll ever go away as long as there is money to be made from it.

It's going to be fucking hard to get rid of wokeness in Hollywood. The executives in charge have seen the light, or rather, they've seen that pandering to a small woke audience while at the same time insulting everyone else didn't make any financial sense. Hollywood is in dire straits and if they want to survive they've got to dump all that DEI baggage. But that's not as easy as it seems, since in the past decade DEI demands have been set in stone because of industry award eligibility requirements, union demands and so on. And then there's the simple fact that many people working in the creative arts stand behind all that crap and probably still want to push the MESSAGE.

The good thing is that the cultural tide has definitely shifted and anyone who wants to keep working in Hollywood will have to go with the flow or be left behind.
 
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Tams

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I got to the scene with the daughter in Everything, Everywhere, All at Once and decided it was in fact another crap movie people propped up for cultural reasons.

Michelle Yeoh was dope in Tomorrow Never Dies however.

Yeah, the daughter was the worst part of it.

As for Tomorrow Never Dies: Best Bond, Best Bond film, perhaps the best Bond girl, and one of the most poignant and ahead of its time Bond films. While still being silly and fun.
 

VulcanRaven

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"Do you remember when the writer of a “Star Wars” film described the Empire as a “white supremacist (human) organization” after Donald Trump’s 2016 election? Has enough time now passed to say that was all a bit strange?"
I thought they were always supposed to be like space nazis. They outfits are gray too.
 
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near

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Everything Everywhere All at Once is a brilliant film. Sure, woke agenda might have given it more attention but it won Oscars based on merit.
 
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