NYT: Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

Sweeney Tom said:
Date of comic: Dec 20, 2011
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lol this is good

shame it's actually happening now
 
RDreamer said:
If they go three fucking slots down the entire Republican party is fucked and whoever ends up president will not be able to accomplish anything unless it's ridiculously bipartisan.
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Oh no doubt, it'll cripple them and get great results in 2018 and 2020 for the dems AND Hatch is more palatable than his 3 predecessors. I just find it hilarious that basically the entire line of succession right now is just awful.
 
I have to admit, I didn't bother to follow the gamergate thing becuase it just felt like the latest iteration of the bros I grew up with who listened to Rush Limbaugh and complained about feminazis. Unfortunately, this seems far more insidious.
 
So, which is easier to believe:

A.) Trump is an unknowing fool being used by Russia to further their own interests. And they do this by inflating Trump's uncontrollable ego, getting him to reveal secrets by making him boast about his power, access, and control.

B.) Trump is a direct plant actively being paid by the Kremlin/Russian Mob to intentionally destroy America from within, by destroying every check and balance, and undermining every institution in the country, while destroying our international credibility.

C.) Somehow, someway, there is no collusion... Trump is just... insanely dumb, temperamental, egotistical, foolish, shortsighted, narcissistic and selfish. And he so much of all of those things that every single thing that comes out of his mouth, off the ink of his pen, or off the pixels of his tweets, is another controversy.

D.) Them folks colliding atoms in Europe somewhere caused us to jolt into an alternate timeline, and none of this is actually happening in the reality we were meant to be in.

E.) God hates us, and he's finally lost all sense of subtlety.
 
jWILL253 said:
So, which is easier to believe:

A.) Trump is an unknowing fool being used by Russia to further their own interests. And they do this by inflating Trump's uncontrollable ego, getting him to reveal secrets by making him boast about his power, access, and control.

B.) Trump is a direct plant actively being paid by the Kremlin/Russian Mob to intentionally destroy America from within, by destroying every check and balance, and undermining every institution in the country, while destroying our international credibility.

C.) Somehow, someway, there is no collusion... Trump is just... insanely dumb, temperamental, egotistical, foolish, shortsighted, narcissistic and selfish. And he so much of all of those things that every single thing that comes out of his mouth, off the ink of his pen, or off the pixels of his tweets, is another controversy.

D.) Them folks colliding atoms in Europe somewhere caused us to jolt into an alternate timeline, and none of this is actually happening in the reality we were meant to be in.

E.) God hates us, and he's finally lost all sense of subtlety.
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A and C are my personal theories.
As someone had quipped, I subscribe to Trump's Razor.

"If there are multiple explanations for Trump's behavior, the stupidest explanation tends to be the right one."
 
jWILL253 said:
So, which is easier to believe:

A.) Trump is an unknowing fool being used by Russia to further their own interests. And they do this by inflating Trump's uncontrollable ego, getting him to reveal secrets by making him boast about his power, access, and control.

B.) Trump is a direct plant actively being paid by the Kremlin/Russian Mob to intentionally destroy America from within, by destroying every check and balance, and undermining every institution in the country, while destroying our international credibility.

C.) Somehow, someway, there is no collusion... Trump is just... insanely dumb, temperamental, egotistical, foolish, shortsighted, narcissistic and selfish. And he so much of all of those things that every single thing that comes out of his mouth, off the ink of his pen, or off the pixels of his tweets, is another controversy.

D.) Them folks colliding atoms in Europe somewhere caused us to jolt into an alternate timeline, and none of this is actually happening in the reality we were meant to be in.

E.) God hates us, and he's finally lost all sense of subtlety.
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For me it's A. Trump is that simple minded he'd be easily manipulated without any real motive on his end. I think he genuinely wants Putin to be his buddy because he admires him. We've already seen reports that the only way to get him to read key briefings is to mention his name in as many paragraphs as possible and that he doesn't readily grasp the gravity of situations until the press turns negative and hammers it in. Someone that self-centered with such a weak attention span was never intended to be president. The founding fathers definitely planned a certain level of rationality to get into the office and I'm sure even congress of the past never envisioned a president like Trump as a possibility.
 
jWILL253 said:
So, which is easier to believe:

A.) Trump is an unknowing fool being used by Russia to further their own interests. And they do this by inflating Trump's uncontrollable ego, getting him to reveal secrets by making him boast about his power, access, and control.

B.) Trump is a direct plant actively being paid by the Kremlin/Russian Mob to intentionally destroy America from within, by destroying every check and balance, and undermining every institution in the country, while destroying our international credibility.

C.) Somehow, someway, there is no collusion... Trump is just... insanely dumb, temperamental, egotistical, foolish, shortsighted, narcissistic and selfish. And he so much of all of those things that every single thing that comes out of his mouth, off the ink of his pen, or off the pixels of his tweets, is another controversy.

D.) Them folks colliding atoms in Europe somewhere caused us to jolt into an alternate timeline, and none of this is actually happening in the reality we were meant to be in.

E.) God hates us, and he's finally lost all sense of subtlety.
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I'm gonna say it's probably more likely that Trump is a corrupt scumbag who took Russian money to deal with his money problems which caused him to be incredibly favorable towards Putin and his buddies.

It's probably less likely that there was a grand plan and more likely that Trump was just one of Putin's many investments, like Flynn, Le Pen and Jill Stein (probably). How collusion fits into this, with all the secret visits with the Russian ambassador and the hackers is still the missing piece in all of this.
 
Barzul said:
For me it's A. Trump is that simple minded he'd be easily manipulated without any real motive on his end. I think he genuinely wants Putin to be his buddy because he admires him. We've already seen reports that the only way to get him to read key briefings is to mention his name in as many paragraphs as possible and that he doesn't readily grasp the gravity of situations until the press turns negative and hammers it in. Someone that self-centered with such a weak attention span was never intended to be president. The founding fathers definitely planned a certain level of rationality to get into the office and I'm sure even congress of the past never envisioned a president like Trump as a possibility.
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I don't generally subscribe mental problems to people....but all of this talk on having to summarize papers to 1-page bullet points, and Trump seeming to have no good reasoning on how people will react to things is just.....it's not normal anyway.
 
jWILL253 said:
So, which is easier to believe:

A.) Trump is an unknowing fool being used by Russia to further their own interests. And they do this by inflating Trump's uncontrollable ego, getting him to reveal secrets by making him boast about his power, access, and control.

B.) Trump is a direct plant actively being paid by the Kremlin/Russian Mob to intentionally destroy America from within, by destroying every check and balance, and undermining every institution in the country, while destroying our international credibility.

C.) Somehow, someway, there is no collusion... Trump is just... insanely dumb, temperamental, egotistical, foolish, shortsighted, narcissistic and selfish. And he so much of all of those things that every single thing that comes out of his mouth, off the ink of his pen, or off the pixels of his tweets, is another controversy.

D.) Them folks colliding atoms in Europe somewhere caused us to jolt into an alternate timeline, and none of this is actually happening in the reality we were meant to be in.

E.) God hates us, and he's finally lost all sense of subtlety.
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I'm going to go with a A.

I honestly don't believe that Trump is clever enough to be a willing plant and I also don't believe that there is no collusion, all of the shit that's came out indicates that something is going on at the very least.

Either that or we are truly in the darkest timeline.
 
Tranqueris said:
I'm gonna say it's probably more likely that Trump is a corrupt scumbag who took Russian money to deal with his money problems which caused him to be incredibly favorable towards Putin and his buddies.

It's probably less likely that there was a grand plan and more likely that Trump was just one of Putin's many investments, like Flynn, Le Pen and Jill Stein (probably). How collusion fits into this, with all the secret visits with the Russian ambassador and the hackers is still the missing piece in all of this.
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This seems the most likely answer.

You have to think end game for Trump (in his mind). I can't imagine he wanted the current events to happen, his goals were probably just to get power, fuck with all the laws he wants and further his business interests.

Of course he is an idiot and the GOP are corrupt so it's all suddenly falling apart for everyone.

If things work out, this historically shitty period could help bring on a huge shift for America with the inevitable swing back to the dems. Of course that also needs the dems to get their corporate interests and corruption in order otherwise they run the risk of being seen as just as bad as the GOP.
 
everyone seem to agree Trump is spectacularly stupid yet they also lean to "no collusion".

Let me ask this how can a person who is spectacularly stupid and used to being untouchable (or used to running away from his mistakes) not have put his foot into a bear trap given the almost certainly that Flynn and Manafort are going to be charged?

This man has no boundaries, and no knowledge of where the boundaries of the candidate or the office actually lie. It isn't credible that he is both stupid yet somehow managed not to say the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong person. Hell we already know he did that to Comey, and did the same thing to the Russians in his office!

It doesn't matter if he didn't AIM to collude or THINK he was colluding.
 
Ugh I can't wait to have a regular boring president who knows what the fuck they're doing, back in the White House.

I can't deal with all this news lol
 
SatelliteOfLove said:
These two WEEKS have been this every DAY:

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I mean, fuck, I dont wanna be here in this, but it's definately exhilirating!
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I wouldn't bet on the hits stopping any time soon. Almost everything that's dropped so far is intelligence that's half a year old. Comey and company aren't using a revolver, this baby's chain-fed.
 
Are people still fucking up the thread by posting conspiracy theories from known crackpots and totally random redditors & tweets?
 
Tranqueris said:
I'm gonna say it's probably more likely that Trump is a corrupt scumbag who took Russian money to deal with his money problems which caused him to be incredibly favorable towards Putin and his buddies.

It's probably less likely that there was a grand plan and more likely that Trump was just one of Putin's many investments, like Flynn, Le Pen and Jill Stein (probably). How collusion fits into this, with all the secret visits with the Russian ambassador and the hackers is still the missing piece in all of this.
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It's this. Trump has been compromised by loaned Russian blood money for decades (from Russian oligarchs, the Russian mafia, and Russian government officials, which confusingly are basically all the same thing). And like any relationship between mafiosos, Trump has built close relationships with many high-ranking Russians but they also maintain leverage in the form of blackmail over him (or worse) if he ever chose to cross them (known in Russian as "kompromat").
 
Muppet of a Man said:
It's this. Trump has been compromised by loaned Russian blood money for decades (from Russian oligarchs, the Russian mafia, and Russian government officials, which confusingly are basically all the same thing). And like any relationship between mafiosos, Trump has built close relationships with many high-ranking Russians but they also maintain leverage in the form of blackmail over him (or worse) if he ever chose to cross them (known in Russian as "kompromat").
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Agreed.

I currently would lean towards Trump not being the idea man behind the Russian collusion, but being open to the support when it was given as a possibility by member(s) of his team/Putin. For Trump it would be nothing of concern as he was already tied up in Russian interests, and not really able to refuse regardless due to the compromising material they likely have on him.
 
Zips said:
Agreed.

I currently would lean towards Trump not being the idea man behind the Russian collusion, but being open to the support when it was given as a possibility by member(s) of his team/Putin. For Trump it would be nothing of concern as he was already tied up in Russian interests, and not really able to refuse regardless due to the compromising material they likely have on him.
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Honestly, I have no idea what the true extent of Trump's involvement is. He doesn't even have to have been directly involved in any collusion for this shit to blow up in his face, though. Remember, Nixon wasn't directly involved in Watergate and didn't even know the facts of it when the investigation into it began, it's the cover-up that got him.
 
Karsticles said:
I would be happy with Matthis, but I'll settle for Tillerson.

I don't even know who Hatch is...
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Hmm, I don't know him. Let's go to Wikipedia!

Ties with Russia said:
Tillerson has ties with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.[6] They have been associates since Tillerson represented Exxon's interests in Russia, the world's largest producer of crude oil, during President Boris Yeltsin's tenure.[27] John Hamre, the President and CEO of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, of which Tillerson is a board member, states that Tillerson "has had more interactive time with Vladimir Putin than probably any other American, with the exception of Dr. Henry Kissinger."[27]
Tillerson was a friend of Igor Sechin,[28] the Executive Chairman of Rosneft, the Russian state oil company, and leader of the Kremlin's Siloviki (security/military) faction,[29] who has been described as "Russia's second-most powerful person" after Putin.[30]
In 2011, on behalf of ExxonMobil, Tillerson signed an agreement with Russia for drilling in the Arctic that could be valued up to $300 billion.[31] The company began drilling in the Kara Sea in the summer of 2014, and a round of sanctions against Russia introduced in September that year due to the Ukrainian crisis was to have brought the project to a halt in mid-September.[32][33] Nevertheless, the company was granted a reprieve that stretched the window to work until October 10, which enabled it to discover a major field with about 750 million barrels of new oil for Russia.[34]
In 2013, Tillerson was awarded the Order of Friendship by Putin for his contribution to developing cooperation in the energy sector.[35][36]
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Maybe we should try to skip him.
 
jWILL253 said:
So, which is easier to believe:

A.) Trump is an unknowing fool being used by Russia to further their own interests. And they do this by inflating Trump's uncontrollable ego, getting him to reveal secrets by making him boast about his power, access, and control.

B.) Trump is a direct plant actively being paid by the Kremlin/Russian Mob to intentionally destroy America from within, by destroying every check and balance, and undermining every institution in the country, while destroying our international credibility.

C.) Somehow, someway, there is no collusion... Trump is just... insanely dumb, temperamental, egotistical, foolish, shortsighted, narcissistic and selfish. And he so much of all of those things that every single thing that comes out of his mouth, off the ink of his pen, or off the pixels of his tweets, is another controversy.

D.) Them folks colliding atoms in Europe somewhere caused us to jolt into an alternate timeline, and none of this is actually happening in the reality we were meant to be in.

E.) God hates us, and he's finally lost all sense of subtlety.
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A and C, but I do think there's collusion.

I haven't seen anything to make me think that Trump wouldn't have jumped on the opportunity to air out Hillary/DNC dirty laundry, and if his Russian contacts (from "business" dealings) could help him, he'd make the deal. Whats the big deal right? Its just politics. Whats an election without some dirty tricks? Why are people making it out to be such a big deal? etc etc

Trump can crow about his innocence all day, but I don't believe it. He's obstructed every chance he's gotten. Not one iota of cooperation for something that should conceivably humiliate his critics, shut them up and send them licking their wounds.

And of course Trump is just relentlessly ignorant and self-absorbed, which just makes everything worse.
 
Man, so what is the latest, this thread moves pretty fast.

I could use a summary, but I'm still reading through the last couple of pages.

Sounds like everything might actually come together and multiple treasonous assholes will be taken to task.

Though, there is the lingering fear that this will change nothing, or in the grand scheme of things nothing happens that would drastically alter the future for the better and things continually get worse.

I have some hope that some justice will be dealt, at the very least it has been amazing watching the meltdowns. The tweet from the Salem,MA representative was fucking golden.
 
jWILL253 said:
So, which is easier to believe:

A.) Trump is an unknowing fool being used by Russia to further their own interests. And they do this by inflating Trump's uncontrollable ego, getting him to reveal secrets by making him boast about his power, access, and control.

B.) Trump is a direct plant actively being paid by the Kremlin/Russian Mob to intentionally destroy America from within, by destroying every check and balance, and undermining every institution in the country, while destroying our international credibility.

C.) Somehow, someway, there is no collusion... Trump is just... insanely dumb, temperamental, egotistical, foolish, shortsighted, narcissistic and selfish. And he so much of all of those things that every single thing that comes out of his mouth, off the ink of his pen, or off the pixels of his tweets, is another controversy.

D.) Them folks colliding atoms in Europe somewhere caused us to jolt into an alternate timeline, and none of this is actually happening in the reality we were meant to be in.

E.) God hates us, and he's finally lost all sense of subtlety.
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A, C, E seem like the go to choices

Painting Trump as some kremlin agent is giving this buffoon too much credit
 
The Technomancer said:
Not even joking it sort of did. Gamergate was absolutely the first largescale flashpoint for a lot of the radicalization that's been simmering for the last few years
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I know that was certainly when I first heard of Milo and Cernovich. Both were openly dismissive of gamers before deducing (correctly) that GG had little to do with game journalism ethics and a lot to do with rejecting progressivism. They've been using media-skeptic rhetoric to great success ever since.
 
I don't understand the growing narrative that Trump is too stupid to mastermind a grand conspiracy with Russia.

1. If you were to conspire with a hostile nation, this would be the slopppiest, most incompetent conspiracy ever. Everything wrong, he has done it.

2. He doesn't need to twirl his mustache and meet Putin in a smoke filled room for there to have been collusion between the parties. (As others have explained)
 
Fancyarcher said:
That doesn't mean he didn't conspire with Putin though. He's an idiot yes, but maybe Putin thought he could use him to help destroy democracy.
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I feel like this is going to end up being the key point at the end of all this and if Trump can escape impeachment or worse. Trumps a freaking moron, he has the mentality of a 10 year old. He's egotistical, arrogant and highly susceptable to manipulation. He surrounds himself with highly manipulative people that are smarter than him all of which have their own agendas. Trump strikes me as the kind of person that doesn't want to think about anything and just tells people vaguely what he wants and then screams "Get it done, I don't care how, don't tell me, just get it done" I think the possibility of Trump directly working with Putin to destroy America is unlikely, Trump isn't nearly smart or cunning enough for something like that, nor would he really give a shit about such a thing. He just cares about money and his ego. The most realistic scenario is some of his underlings like Flynn, Manafort and whoever else had closer ties to Russia were the ones making the direct deals and promises. Just working in the background to make the shit happen not relaying everything to Trump necessarily just getting shit done.. That doesn't absolve Trump, he still knew what was going on at some level but in his mind it probably didn't seem out of the ordinary because fuck, he's Trump he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Technically it may not be direct collusion. Even if that is the case, he's still guilty of obstructing the shit out of justice and abusing his power. Whoever builds this case against Trump needs to make damn sure to go at it from the right angle.
 
riotous said:
Has that one guys "tick tick tick" materialized into anything today? Hate false hope hype!
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He linked to this with a 'Boom'

I don't know if there's anything super shocking in it, after the memo revelation, so much as it creates the clear picture that Comey knew Trump was trying to butter him up. All relies on a named source's hearsay, it seems like, and the ending is uh.... Something:
"He's about to get on the helicopter, so doesn't get on the helicopter," Mr. Wittes said. "And then when the president gets on he just wants to chitchat."

Mr. Wittes said that Mr. Comey told him that he perceived the call as Mr. Trump still "trying to get him on the team and he saw it in light of his refusal to give him his loyalty."

"Trump was still trying to get him on board," Mr. Wittes said.

Mr. Wittes said that in another conversation he told Mr. Comey he was encouraged by the fact that the Senate was likely to confirm Rod J. Rosenstein, a longtime federal prosecutor, as the deputy attorney general.

To Mr. Wittes's surprise, Mr. Comey did not completely agree with him.

"He said, ‘I don't know. I have some concerns. He's good, he's solid but he's also a survivor and you don't survive that long without making some compromises and I'm concerned about that.'"

Weeks after his confirmation, Mr. Rosenstein wrote a memo that Mr. Trump initially cited as the justification for firing Mr. Comey. Mr. Rosenstein told members of the Senate on Thursday that Mr. Trump had already decided to fire him when he wrote it.
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