Let me speak from experience. I know a lot of people around me that are Republicans. I know 100% that there are people like you describe, where hate fills their hearts and guides everything they do. But you know the problem with a lot of them? They're ignorant. They think that since there are equal rights now, racism is dead. They probably don't even give the issue a passing thought. That's bad. But it DOESN'T make them a horrible person that just needs to go extinct. These people, who vote for Trump not because of racist views but because of these other so-called Republican issues need to be educated and be made to understand that those who look different and act different are not all that different at all. I would never wish something bad upon them. I wish for them to be less ignorant and for them to understand that these issues still exist from a systematic and institutional way, even if there aren't necessarily laws the separate them.
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NYT - Is Donald Trump a Racist? (Spoiler Alert: Yes)
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Let me speak from experience. I know a lot of people around me that are Republicans. I know 100% that there are people like you describe, where hate fills their hearts and guides everything they do. But you know the problem with a lot of them? They're ignorant. They think that since there are equal rights now, racism is dead. They probably don't even give the issue a passing thought. That's bad. But it DOESN'T make them a horrible person that just needs to go extinct. These people, who vote for Trump not because of racist views but because of these other so-called Republican issues need to be educated and be made to understand that those who look different and act different are not all that different at all. I would never wish something bad upon them. I wish for them to be less ignorant and for them to understand that these issues still exist from a systematic and institutional way, even if there aren't necessarily laws the separate them.
Lightning_Roller
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My gosh, thank you! Thank you for saying what we were trying to say. That is exactly what you're trying to us, Vanwinkle. Minorities have been taking shit and been taking it for years, decades...fucking centuries! And now when we are the very verge of actually getting some positive progress in this country, you want us to try to see their side? No, says I. We've been seeing what that side had to say for a long time. And we know what they won't be changing anytime soon.
KuwabaraTheMan
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It's not 40 years into the past.
It's 40 years of a consistent pattern of racism and all around bigotry.
Please continue to bring to light these incredibly important issues of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc. People have to be educated. I would NEVER argue not to fight for these things.
Neoleo2143
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I'm surprised anyone wants to support this guy. Anyone who supports this guy is an idiot, not just racist, his policies are all but guaranteed to hurt the livelihoods of the majority population. Not just minorities, the majority. If you think you're going to be a business owner under the Trump administration if god forbid it happens, I laugh at your folly. The only thing this could possibly increase is the wealth gap which guess what doesn't improve the blue collar life. It only leaves people like Trump afloat.
blame space
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remember when he announced he was running for president like 8 years ago after his comedy Central roast and everyone lost their shit
It just seems weird that when stuff from Hillary's past gets brought up then everyone goes "it was all in the past, people are capable of change", but now no one has issues with this article bringing up stuff from 40 years ago.
The article even points out that there might be other reasons for those and it might not have been Trump's doing.
No need to be going digging 40 years in the past if he is doing and saying racist stuff 40 min ago, like pigeon said.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Because Trump demonstrates he hasn't changed.
Lightning_Roller
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Dude, there is articles upon articles to educate them but they choose not too. Why? You said it yourself, ignorance. But that also makes things bad when they choose not to listen. When they try to rationalize something terrible from an article or some crap like that. I've seen shit like that all too often. He was asking for it, he was a drug dealer, all that shit. You can educate them all you want, but when they choose to not listen, or make the victim of something into something worse, it becomes a hell of an uphill battle.
Oh and that jabe at me was cute. Good try, but try harder next time.
No one has issues because he hasn't changed
And there is a need to go back digging 40 years, because some people think he's simply pandering to the racist right
I seriously have no idea what you're talking about with that "jab" comment. I would never try to make a jab at you while tensions are high and while trying to talk about something like this.
And I agree that tackling this issue is just really really hard. I don't know how best to do it other than trying to make changes in government that ensures that minorities don't get treated unfairly. Voting for people who will do that is definitely a good step.
The last date from the article before the current day twitter stuff is from 1991 though, that's a 25 year time jump.
EatinOlives
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I don't understand the point of bringing your father into the conversation other than as an emotional shield. Looks doubly bad when you get all hot and bothered when the shield didn't work. And now many posters are apparently the bad guys for pointing out that common courtesy and folksy niceties is NOT the litmus test for determining that someone is not racist.
Modern issues with race are exacerbated by the fact that there's a really large majority of the population that simply does not care about other races, ethnicities, and socioeconomic statuses. It's a population that has grown with the teaching that "racism is bad" but without any practical example as to what that actually constitutes. Going through life for so long that they don't encounter any situations in which actual racism is apparent, or encountering someone who has encountered those experiences themselves. But hey, they're not burning crosses, joining the KKK, calling anyone a racial slur, or any of the other things we were taught in grade school that were "bad", so therefore they can't be bad. A racist person isn't a caricature complete with mustache twirling villainy and cackling, in the real world racism manifests itself in a spectrum. A spectrum that includes quietly voting for a man who is 100% a bona fide racist, even if his reasons for voting him are tangential for that.
I know you don't like to hear it in this way, but yours is a very simplistic lens through which to view modern race relations in the country. You're in this thread wondering how come your father's everyday courtesy doesn't convert into tokens for you to cash at the Not Racist machine, but that's not how it works. You're giving us the equivalent of the Nice Guy argument in online dating.
adamsappel
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"Huh, nobody's raking me over the coals over all the racist shit I say. It must be okay to say it!"
Lightning_Roller
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And I agree that voting is a good start, but I along with others, and I'm pretty sure you as well are very uneasy about those that just won't crawl back into their holes when the America they want won't happen. They certainly won't go silent if they lose, that's for sure. And I'm afraid of their what they will do to retaliate. Listen, I'm not saying you arent vested in this issue, I'm not. And if I am, I apologize, and talking to those in the middle and the uneducated might help a bit more. but I've been seeing what the other other side wants to do about me and other minorities and groups. From news articles to news, to tweets and even pics and videos. I just don't see anyone, anyone changing their minds about how they feel about "liberal views". The only way we can do anything about them to send them a message that what they want isn't something no one wants in this country.
There's also 1996 when Trump was sued for racial discrimination for not hiring blacks for his riverboat casinos, losing minorities a chance at over 1,000 jobs.
There's also that whole Obama birth certificate thing around 2010.
This guy might not personally beat up and hang black people, but he's still fucking racist.
It seems like for some people unless you're a registered member of the KKK and have swastika tattoos you can't be racist.
Edit: actually, even then I'm sure some people would argue you're not racist but simply ignorant...
TheSpoiler
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Educating someone only works en masse when repercussions are at play, because otherwise they can do fuck all with the time and effort you spent teaching them basic human rights. Meanwhile, the oppressed have to hope that the other side listens and follows through.
I have a lot of respect for those who spend the time doing so, but it absolutely should not be this way.
I have a lot of respect for those who spend the time doing so, but it absolutely should not be this way.
I don't want you to think I didn't read this because I did and I agree that there needs to be a way to tell them when something they say or do is wrong from an moral/ethical standpoint, but I AM going to refrain from any more posting in here. Just because, as I said earlier, it's pretty much been all said before, and I don't want anyone to misconstrue my frustrations for something I'm not intending to say. You seem to understand that at least which I thank you for. The issues are very important.
Lightning_Roller
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And that's where the problem comes in. What if they don't want to change the status quo? What if they don't think it's that bad? It's good to try to show them and it might help, but so many compilcations makes thing even tougher. The greatest uphill battle for the oppressed is for anyone to listen to their pleas for change. If the people living well aren't feeling the effects the oppressed do, they won't feel compelled to change it.
Crossing Eden
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You don't even have to go back an hour.
Are you giving kidding me? This isn't just a gaffe from way back. Have you read the vile shit he was saying to KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN!
Plus as other people have said, the last "40 years" are paved with vile shot from this guy. This one just jumps out.
Androidsleeps
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How are liberals "vilifying" the conservatives online? Especially online, the "vilification" and the basically painting the other side as "the enemy" seems to come overwhelmingly from one side, unless you have a completely different meaning of what we're talking about.
IRL? Have you seen the RNC (and everything they've been saying for the past two years)? Hillary wakes up every morning and pray to the devil for new methods to destroy America, since she purposely planned the BENGHAZI attack to fulfill her thirst to kill Americans but that wasn't enough for her, she wants to kill unborn babies when she becomes president, unborn AMERICAN babies. And when she's not plotting to or killing Americans, she meets with Obama as both of them orchestrate the destruction of America by way of weakening the military and importing terrorists to the US to cause death and horror to innocent Americans.
Oh and before all that, she and Bill raped women and silenced them and she killed one guy and made it look like suicide.
I did not make up one word of that.
Show me the librul version?
Gentleman Jack
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The more thorough proof plots the continuity of the function. And oddly enough when you point out just the one time he was a bigot the defense becomes 'I'm sure he's just an opportunist instead of a real racist.
Yeah this is a weird statement. I mean I guess if you only hangout on neogaf or left leaning website then sure. But I would argue most of the places on the internet are full of racist idiots that, spoiler alert, are voting Trump. It's not us libtards that I see in the comment sections on yahoo, youtube, twitch, IGN, etc saying racist or hell wrath things towards politicians. It's Republicans.
excelsiorlef
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People go after shit Clinton said or did in the past a lot.
Know why people say knock it off?
She's admitted fault and apologized.
Has Trump?
Spoilers: No
It's been discussed a lot by GAF but again, that post shows you a lot of the disconnect people have that they may not even realize they are racist. They think if they don't call people the N word, say they hate them, or wish them dead, then they are not racist.
It's a simple logic, and one they really don't take the time to dissect because it doesn't effect their lives enough to give it much thought. Unfortunately this kind of thinking is why we have what we have for a Republican party. A bunch of ignorant racists that don't understand why Black people and other minorities don't just shut up and stop causing problems because racism is over.
It's a simple logic, and one they really don't take the time to dissect because it doesn't effect their lives enough to give it much thought. Unfortunately this kind of thinking is why we have what we have for a Republican party. A bunch of ignorant racists that don't understand why Black people and other minorities don't just shut up and stop causing problems because racism is over.
Not sure where else to put this, but it's pretty great:
https://twitter.com/HelenLOHara/status/756426247211741184?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
https://twitter.com/HelenLOHara/status/756426247211741184?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
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I can get where VanWinkle is coming from.
Political parties tend to violently demonize the opposition. We're the good guys, they're the bad guys, and if they're in power, they're going to destroy our country.
Liberals said this about Bush. Conservatives said this about Obama. It just happens.
But here's the thing: Sometimes, the opposition really is that bad.
Trump is a racist, bigoted, thin-skinned fuckwit. Period. These aren't baseless accusations. These things are plainly obvious to anybody who has paid attention to anything he's said, especially in the past year.
There are exactly two types of people who support him: Those who agree with (or claim not to agree with, but are accepting of) his racist, bigoted bullshit, and those who haven't been paying attention and aren't aware of the fact that he's a racist, bigoted fuckwit.
Both of these groups deserve to be shamed and ridiculed. The first group because they're horrible people, and the second group because it might make them realize that they don't know why they're voting for Trump (it's usually because "I'm a lifelong Republican" or "All my friends are doing it"), then educate themselves a little bit, at which point they will either become part of group 1, or they'll become rational people who aren't voting for Trump.
Trump isn't just another Republican nominee that Democrats are demonizing just because he's a Republican. He is legitimately dangerous, and needs to be stopped.
Political parties tend to violently demonize the opposition. We're the good guys, they're the bad guys, and if they're in power, they're going to destroy our country.
Liberals said this about Bush. Conservatives said this about Obama. It just happens.
But here's the thing: Sometimes, the opposition really is that bad.
Trump is a racist, bigoted, thin-skinned fuckwit. Period. These aren't baseless accusations. These things are plainly obvious to anybody who has paid attention to anything he's said, especially in the past year.
There are exactly two types of people who support him: Those who agree with (or claim not to agree with, but are accepting of) his racist, bigoted bullshit, and those who haven't been paying attention and aren't aware of the fact that he's a racist, bigoted fuckwit.
Both of these groups deserve to be shamed and ridiculed. The first group because they're horrible people, and the second group because it might make them realize that they don't know why they're voting for Trump (it's usually because "I'm a lifelong Republican" or "All my friends are doing it"), then educate themselves a little bit, at which point they will either become part of group 1, or they'll become rational people who aren't voting for Trump.
Trump isn't just another Republican nominee that Democrats are demonizing just because he's a Republican. He is legitimately dangerous, and needs to be stopped.
I just don't buy that people are uneducated. There's vast amounts of information out there. The problem is that the right simply doesn't want to listen to it. They're like creationists who don't believe in the Big Bang or Evolution despite all the evidence for it. Right wingers are entering a sort of cult-like situation where facts that contradict their worldview are outright ignored.
It's no different than believing that Obama is a secret muslim terrorist who wants to take everyone's guns away, and put white people into FEMA camps. People STILL believe this shit despite all the evidence to the contrary. How do you reason with people like that?
As for the racism side of things, its important to note that modern conservatism is built from the Southern Strategy which is in of itself racist.
It's no different than believing that Obama is a secret muslim terrorist who wants to take everyone's guns away, and put white people into FEMA camps. People STILL believe this shit despite all the evidence to the contrary. How do you reason with people like that?
As for the racism side of things, its important to note that modern conservatism is built from the Southern Strategy which is in of itself racist.
Dreams-Visions
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yes.
Jmanunknown
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Trump is a birther he literally thinks president Obama is not an american and I wonder why that is? he never questions whether any other president was an american why single out president Obama?
This post is gold. GAF Gold.
Another good article on Trump's race problem: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...822250-4d2e-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html
exmachina64
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Great post.
Not sure where else to put this, but it's pretty great:
https://twitter.com/HelenLOHara/status/756426247211741184?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
This is the great thing I've ever read.
Monocle
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Love this.Not sure where else to put this, but it's pretty great:
https://twitter.com/HelenLOHara/status/756426247211741184?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
One major problem is the echo chamber aspect. Some conservatives build themselves great towers of learning on bogus premises. Listening to the wrong people is all it takes to make a person waste tremendous energy in a wayward pursuit.
Of course, a lot of people are good old fashioned bigots too.
Was this posted yet?
A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is a fascist".
How this man is allowed to freely roam the political landscape is beyond me. Actually make that any landscape.
A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is a fascist".
How this man is allowed to freely roam the political landscape is beyond me. Actually make that any landscape.
EdibleKnife
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He's allowed because the land was fertile for a guy like him to begin with.
EdibleKnife
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Thanks!
All the truth out there and his supporters still pick the nebulous "good businessman","fix the country" drek he feeds them
Vicetrailia
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And "Hillary is the devil". But cant explain why she is compared to Trump who must not be. Need like a 50 commandments list of what's wrong with trump.
What you guys need is Hillary to label all Republicans racist at her speech. To have her say if you don't vote for me, you're a racist and a bigot. To give some weight to the logic found here. I mean she won't because that would be political suicide. Maybe have Obama do it he is almost out the door anyway. No, it has to come from a white person, a white person has to get on stage and point at other white people and call them racist if they don't vote for Hillary. That would be the most effective and most repeated sound byte from now until November and beyond. Until then it's just something people say to beat up on people they talk to normally in other threads.
Spring-Loaded
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Why did you tell everyone your dad supports a racist if you were going to get upset like this
Presumably he thought using his dad would be a nice gotcha. Unfortunately it didn't work, but points for effort.
Gotdatmoney
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Republicans are so offended by being called racists. Everything the party engages in is dripped in racism however. So is it just all these people are uninformed? Or are they genuinely of the belief Republican govts dont engage in racist bigoted actions and literally all these people of color are simply making shit up? Or is it that you acknowledge there is racism but you think its best for the country regardless?
What is the actual logic behind "I support a racist candidate, racist party and racist institution but calling me racist is offensive"? The whole left is as bad as the right shit is fucking false. What are the republicams promising you that will make your quality of life better?
I can think of repealing Obama care due to its more severe effect on the middle class as maybe a reason. Of courwse that is going to lead to nore problems in healthcare too.
What is the actual logic behind "I support a racist candidate, racist party and racist institution but calling me racist is offensive"? The whole left is as bad as the right shit is fucking false. What are the republicams promising you that will make your quality of life better?
I can think of repealing Obama care due to its more severe effect on the middle class as maybe a reason. Of courwse that is going to lead to nore problems in healthcare too.
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