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NYT now has the email to Donald Trump Jr. offering Russian aid to "incriminate"

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"Putin is as bad as Hitler" is a pretty out there argument to make, but Tucker is an absolute fuckwit so just seeing him get upset is worth it.

I don't think any sane person thinks we should be at war with Russia. Any sane person would agree we should have and were correct to go to war with Hitler.

If you disagree with either of these statements, you don't think putin is as bad as Hitler.

It was a stupid point and a stupid interview, well suited to evening cable news.
 

BstnRich

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I don't think any sane person thinks we should be at war with Russia. Any sane person would agree we should have and were correct to go to war with Hitler.

If you disagree with either of these statements, you don't think putin is as bad as Hitler.

It was a stupid point and a stupid interview, well suited to evening cable news.

I'm fairly certain the U.S. had little interest in taking out Hitler, at the time. They avoided that war for as long as they could.

https://visitpearlharbor.org/didnt-american-initially-join-war/

But in retrospect, of course...
 

Iolo

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haha yeah lets see trump jr try to pull off his best nixon

Wikipedia said:
Editorial reaction to the address was divided. The New York Times, which had criticized Nixon, and had even run stories with claims that he was under criminal investigation for the Fund, praised Nixon's "composure and assurance".

Richard Nixon became President of the United States that moment... period.
 
I don't think any sane person thinks we should be at war with Russia. Any sane person would agree we should have and were correct to go to war with Hitler.

If you disagree with either of these statements, you don't think putin is as bad as Hitler.

It was a stupid point and a stupid interview, well suited to evening cable news.
We shouldnt be at war with Russia. But we may be at war with Russia nonetheless.
 
Yeah, I recall US being all about isolationism throughout this period. We came in like Rivera or Jansen to mop up.

Well at least from the optics of the war. It looked like Germany was kicking allied Europe nations, ass. So in simplified term, the US said "Fuck that" and pearl harbor happened.
 

antonz

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No one has called for War with Russia. That is the bullshit deflection people like Tucker throw out there when people say we need to hold Russia accountable for their actions in Ukraine, Election tampering etc.

"Oh you want to go to war with Russia. You are a war monger."

Holding Russia accountable for its behavior is not warmongering. So yeah people like Tucker basically are apologists.
 

antonz

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Kushner family is famously slimy with blackmail etc. So I would not even be close to surprised that he was attempting to build a barrier around him and throw others under the bus
 

Ourobolus

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/russia-trump.html

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EDIT: oh, same link Bronson posted
 

Iolo

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It's everybody for themselves out there.

The only person who can get rid of Kushner is Trump and he's not gonna do it. We have been treated to repeated stories of Bannon and Kushner being on the outs but it's never true, nothing happens because Trump hates firing people and he likes these guys. Trump's legal team may hate Kushner but they're not going to push him out.

^ ah just read the excerpt above. Trump's legal team attacks Kushner at their own peril. Trump will dump them before Jared.
 

Tovarisc

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Rancor at White House as Russia Story Refuses to Let the Page Turn

As Air Force One jetted back from Europe on Saturday, a small cadre of Mr. Trump's advisers huddled in a cabin helping to craft a statement for the president's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., to give to The New York Times explaining why he met last summer with a lawyer connected to the Russian government. Participants on the plane and back in the United States debated about how transparent to be in the statement, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Ultimately, the people said, the president signed off on a statement from Donald Trump Jr. for The Times that was so incomplete that it required day after day of follow-up statements, each more revealing than the last. It culminated on Tuesday with a release of emails making clear that Mr. Trump's son believed the Russian lawyer was seeking to meet with him to provide incriminating information about Hillary Clinton as ”part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."
Advisers said the president was frustrated not so much by his son as by the headlines. But three people close to the legal team said he had also trained his ire on Marc E. Kasowitz, his longtime lawyer, who is leading the team of private lawyers representing him. Mr. Trump, who often vents about advisers in times of trouble, has grown disillusioned by Mr. Kasowitz's strategy, the people said.

The strain, though, exists on both sides. Mr. Kasowitz and his colleagues have complained that Mr. Kushner has been whispering in the president's ear about the Russia investigations and stories while keeping the lawyers out of the loop, according to another person familiar with the legal team. The president's lawyers view Mr. Kushner as an obstacle and freelancer more concerned about protecting himself than his father-in-law, the person said. While no ultimatum has been delivered, the lawyers have told colleagues that they cannot keep operating that way, raising the prospect that Mr. Kasowitz may resign.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/russia-trump.html

edit: I posted for 3rd time because somethingsomething no collusion
 
But three people close to the legal team said he had also trained his ire on Marc E. Kasowitz, his longtime lawyer, who is leading the team of private lawyers representing him. Mr. Trump, who often vents about advisers in times of trouble, has grown disillusioned by Mr. Kasowitz’s strategy, the people said.

Trump is mad because Kushner gets to bang his daughter and has better lawyers.
 

akira28

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A+++++++++ SELLER WOULD DEFINITELY NOT COLLUDE WITH RUSSIANS, FAST SHIPPING AND HE LOVES AMERICA!

Would Sell out son again in heart beat. AAA+++

ps (thanks for jumping on the Grenade, Jr. You're not a mistake and don't you ever believe that.)
 
Yeah, I don't get why Russia is considered good now. It's really strange that all presidents besides this guy, view Russia as a direct threat. Now, the Republican Party has embraced them with open arms. How can they called themselves patriots when they are siding with a country that is known to hate America.

Are Republicans that blind? I mean, what the hell is going on with that party. They are straight selling us out.
 
"Ultimately, the people said, the president signed off on a statement from Donald Trump Jr. for The Times that was so incomplete that it required day after day of follow-up statements, each more revealing than the last."

From NYTimes article and Reddit.
 

Mookee

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Amazing point by Adam Schiff today just saw on Maddow: This basically confirms that Trump et al. are compromised and beholden to a foreign power. The Russians obviously knew about this meeting and TrumpyMcHighSeas didn’t want the info out, so this whole time they could have been holding this over him. Along with whatever else.

The collusion is the kompromat.
 

Maiden Voyage

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The president’s lawyers view Mr. Kushner as an obstacle and freelancer more concerned about protecting himself than his father-in-law, the person said. While no ultimatum has been delivered, the lawyers have told colleagues that they cannot keep operating that way, raising the prospect that Mr. Kasowitz may resign.

Daaaaamn.
 
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