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NYT now has the email to Donald Trump Jr. offering Russian aid to "incriminate"

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rudger

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That prayer photo is so staged and so cynical that it's actually making me queasy. The "religious right" are being played for fools, and they'll suck it down, wipe off their chins, and ask for more. What a farce.

Pence is already looking for his own VP. This is just him trying to keep his crazy boss calm while everything burns down around him.

Also, nobody knows if this will lead to charges or arrests or impeachment, but this definitely marks the time when we can say with 100% certainty that multiple people in the Trump campaign knew the Russian government was actively trying to elect Trump. That people in the campaign were happy to go along with and aide in this act. That they have lied multiple times about knowing this, sometimes under oath, and they continue to mislead the public about the seriousness of these crimes - and they are crimes! we need to start thinking of these people as known criminals at this point and treat them as such. No amount of shouting about Ukrainian intelligence can drown that out - you can bet if Hillary Clinton's campaign had actually done something remotely close to illegal Republicans wouldn't just use it as a talking point, they would have been actively pursuing it for months and trying to distract the public with it.
 

Rubenov

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For the 58275th time, Watergate took 2 years.

Just something I've noticed everyone is doing... but Watergate and this are obviously two different things, and there's no guarantee or stipulation that indicates these Trump issues are going to end like Watergate did.
 
Just something I've noticed everyone is doing... but Watergate and this are obviously two different things, and there's no guarantee or stipulation that indicates these Trump issues are going to end like Watergate did.
Of course. It's just to counter people's despair that Trump hasn't been impeached and his cabinet arrested half a year into his first term. Investigations take time!
 

Tovarisc

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As a non-believer, I'd be soooo annoyed if I had to sit through a prayer circle and then fake appreciation afterwards

Well under normal circumstances you aren't forced to take part in them so yeah...

Being politician and President could force things on you tho.
 

Gattsu25

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Guys, as a Christian (Presbyterian), I can confirm with others that this hand prayer thingy happens in a lot of churches.

It's like a spirit bukkake. You surround the person you want to shoot your spirit all over and your hands are the integral part of the whole spirit conductivity.

Depending on the theology of the church, the head is off limits unless it's from an ordained Pastor or elder in the church.

From the outside it seems weird but from the inside it's weird.
This is the most accurate description I've ever heard. That last line is some truth.
 

hohoXD123

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Guys, as a Christian (Presbyterian), I can confirm with others that this hand prayer thingy happens in a lot of churches.

It's like a spirit bukkake. You surround the person you want to shoot your spirit all over and your hands are the integral part of the whole spirit conductivity.

Depending on the theology of the church, the head is off limits unless it's from an ordained Pastor or elder in the church.

From the outside it seems weird but from the inside it's weird.

Spirit bukkake is my new favourite phrase
 

BadAss2961

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Someone tweeted this to the Donald. lol
 
Trump made 3 signature campaign promises:

1. Repeal and replace Obamacare
2. Build a 4-story tall double-wall on the border, that also goes underground.
3. Bring manufacturing jobs back.

If one year from now none of them have happened Trump's support among Republicans should soften.

here are the excuses now and probably a year from now:

1. unprecedented obstruction from the democrats
2. the wall was metaphorical
3. he's done more for jobs in months than obama did in 8 years
 

Tovarisc

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here are the excuses now and probably a year from now:

1. unprecedented obstruction from the democrats
2. the wall was metaphorical
3. he's done more for jobs in months than obama did in 8 years

Isn't he also okay with just repeal of Obamacare with replace down the road?

"Just remove health care from people, we can replace it later on when we get around to it. That we never will get around to."
 

RionaaM

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Kyzer

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And guess what should have no place in fucking politics.
Okay youre right but literally the entire countrys history is this, its to be expected. Old people are all still religious, its our generation thats starting to realize how crazy it is
 
Anyone here yet cover how Junior admitted to probably contacting more Russian persons during his interview with Hannity?:

http://shareblue.com/trumps-son-adm...ther-people-from-russia/#.WWWQaM5ppOM.twitter

HANNITY: Did you ever meet with any other person from Russia that you know of?
TRUMP: I don’t even know. I’ve probably met with other people from Russia, certainly not in the context of actually a formalized meeting or anything like that. Because why would I? You know, in the grand scheme of things, how busy we were, it was much more important to do — this was a courtesy to an acquaintance.
 
Just something I've noticed everyone is doing... but Watergate and this are obviously two different things, and there's no guarantee or stipulation that indicates these Trump issues are going to end like Watergate did.

I think it's actually much less likely to end like Watergate but he will almost certainly not be re elected due to all the scandal.
 
Anyone deep in The Donald rabbit hole? I just got a morning message from a friend,

So in the past day it's come out that Veselnitskaya...

- Has connections with Fusion GPS, same company that manufactured pissgate
- Somehow managed to easily get into the US after her Visa had expired
- Podesta's emails talk about playing up a Trump-Russia scandal before this ever happened
- Is pictured with Obama's Russian diplomat 8 days after meeting with Trump Jr
- Is pictured in John McCain's office in late 2015
- Is pictured attending a goddamn Trump protest

inb4 only right-wingers are capable of conspiracies and none of this matters because the NYT didn't talk about it

idk what any of that is about?
 

epmode

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Anyone deep in The Donald rabbit hole? I just got a morning message from a friend,



idk what any of that is about?
Even if this nonsense panned out and she was some kind of agent planted to screw with Trump’s campaign, it wouldn’t matter. The issue is that she said she was representing the Russian government and she wanted to provide documents that would screw with Clinton’s campaign, and Donald Jr said OK LET’S MEET rather than ignoring it or immediately reporting it to the FBI.

Also, receipts pls.
 

RDreamer

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Anyone deep in The Donald rabbit hole? I just got a morning message from a friend,



idk what any of that is about?

So their defense of all this is basically "Hey man I thought I was walking into a house with an underaged kid but all I got was Chris Hansen."

Or "I wanted to buy some weed but it turned out they were a cop..."

They also thing this was all a crazy setup and everyone sat on it until now?

Bottom line is that the dude was told it was Russian government help. He said yes and arranged a meeting with himself, the campaign manager, and Kushner.
 
Anyone deep in The Donald rabbit hole? I just got a morning message from a friend,



idk what any of that is about?

It's the same argument as "you can't arrest me for solicitation because that wasn't a real prostitite!"

Even if every word of it is true (its not) it doesn't matter. DTJ thought he was meeting with a representative of the Russian government to get information about the campaign.
 

Kyzer

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Anyone deep in The Donald rabbit hole? I just got a morning message from a friend,



idk what any of that is about?

Wouldnt matter, the problem here is that they think its a dems v republican thing and trying to deny the russians wanting to help them or wanting help from the russians but the whole fucking issue is that russia wants to meddle in our shit and make us fight each other. If she turned out to be stirring the pot on both sides it doesnt change what happened, if they chose to meet with her
 

riotous

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To me this isnt a smoking gun, its a picture of the Trump campaign pointing the gun. It proves a willingness to work with the Russian government during the campaign.
 
Okay youre right but literally the entire countrys history is this, its to be expected. Old people are all still religious, its our generation thats starting to realize how crazy it is

lol you are fooling yourself if you actually think our generation is the first in history to question religion. this is a time honored tradition and even takes place within religions.

we probably aren't the first generation to think we are special and super smart compared to those old idiots. its an intellectually flattering and convenient scapegoat while we ignore the fact that history keeps repeating itself.
 
Well the Visa thing is not an unknown as far as I know. Article said that she was let into the country because of some trial. The reason they do not know this is probably because they don't really care enought to use the latest intelligence gathering tools such as google. So why bother debating anything with them.

People like that after you give them answers always invent some new "conundrum" they seem to think it is your duty to look up the answers for.
 
Even if this nonsense panned out and she was some kind of agent planted to screw with Trump’s campaign, it wouldn’t matter.
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It's about cultists not wanting to admit the cult is wrong.

So their defense of all this is basically "Hey man I thought I was walking into a house with an underaged kid but all I got was Chris Hansen."
...

It's the same argument as "you can't arrest me for solicitation because that wasn't a real prostitite!"
...

OK I found out where he was going with it:

because if the lawyer/info itself was bait, that's entrapment
 
Anyone deep in The Donald rabbit hole? I just got a morning message from a friend,



- Podesta's emails talk about playing up a Trump-Russia scandal before this ever happened
- Is pictured in John McCain's office in late 2015
- Is pictured attending a goddamn Trump protest

idk what any of that is about?
- Has connections with Fusion GPS, same company that manufactured pissgate
One of her clients hired Fusion GPS in 2013 to do work on a case. Separately, some Republicans contacted them to do the Trump-Russia research. No reason to believe there is any relation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ho-met-donald-trump-jr-and-the-trump-dossier/

- Is pictured with Obama's Russian diplomat 8 days after meeting with Trump Jr
She sat behind him at a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing. He didn't know her.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...tml?wprss=rss_world_twpstaffonly&tid=sm_tw_pw

- Somehow managed to easily get into the US after her Visa had expired

Apparently her visa was denied, but she was given a parole waiver to enter to continue her legal defense for her client (from the above article)
Veselnitskaya's visa for U.S. entry was denied, but she received special permission — in what is known as a ”parole letter" — to come to New York specifically to defend Prevezon and Katsyv. She said in a court statement, however, that when she tried to reenter the United States, she was detained at London's Heathrow Airport and ”unjustifiably subjected to a strip search, for no apparent reason." She eventually received permission to come to the United States to continue her work for Prevezon.

I'm not familiar with the others, but it's almost certainly more BS conspiracies or drawing nefarious conclusions about innocuous things. You know how they work.
 
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