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NYT: The Far Right Has a New Digital Safe Space
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I agree but the part I haven't seen answered yet is how you can force people to engage with one another, and who gets to decide which voices get heard. The behavior of surrounding yourself with like-minded people began way, way before social media. It's why extremists move to compounds out in the middle of nowhere.
Oppo
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oh i know. i haven't got a clue what to do about it aside from maybe some highly immoral top-end social engineering at Google, Facebook and so forth. A conspiracy, if you will.
Sgt.Pepper
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Is Pepe officially an alt-right icon?
balladofwindfishes
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Has been for awhile now.
One of the biggest issues is that each side typically sticks to their respective echo chamber. Most people aren't willing to consider anything put out by a news source that is deemed to be on the other side.
Granted this is an issue that is far worse on the right, in many cases due to decades of being told that every major media organization outside of Fox and the WSJ are untrustworthy. In many cases even the WSJ is untrustworthy according to many on the right. That really leaves nothing but hyper partisan blogs that just make the problem even worse, which makes people double down on only consuming opinions they agree with.
All that needs to be said, really.
I'm not sure how this site will be making any money tbh. Unless they charge a monthly fee or something. Advertisers will be steering well clear of the cesspool of hate.
Blueingreen
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I agree with this sentiment, they need to be dealt with in a pragmatic and rational manner instead of branding anyone with slightly leaning right views as Clayton Bigsby and banning them, we run risk of pushing them to further right views.
I thought as liberals we pride ourselves in our open minded stance when it comes to addressing issues, so why are we becoming so black and white when addressing those with different views of our own?
oreomunsta
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How easy would it be to turn Gab into a shitshow? Part of the problem with those asshats being on Reddit was that Reddit is a public site, filled with way more people unlike them than like them.
Having all of them transition to an almost alt-exclusive site just paints a big red target on their back, doesn't it?
Having all of them transition to an almost alt-exclusive site just paints a big red target on their back, doesn't it?
As I said on the last thread, I don't think that's true any more. I'm sure Bannon will end up posting on Gab. And then Trump will probably, at least, have his Twitter posts on both services.
And then mainstream bands will follow, even if it is a toxic shitshow. And mainstream republican voters. And we'll have created that echo chamber, with Nazi's as the most influential users.
n00bsauce87
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I dunno, I have a feeling that there will be companies willing to promote their products. Like if I was a national gun company for example. There's a market for everyone especially if they have money to spend.
This is the crux of the issue, but no one's come up with the solution. As you say it's easier than ever to self-segregate, and that's a problem in general, not just for right-leaning people with fringe opinions. I'm not sure what can actually be done aside from basically having the social networks work against users in favor of wider interests, because people like self-segregating themselves and seem to always want to.
Not to mention that if it's a big enough group and no one else is advertising to them, it's a ripe opportunity for anyone who just doesn't care about the moral implications.
Mammoth Jones
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Yea, I thought this was there safe space. What happened to it?
TheRagnCajun
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So Gab is where the rejects of reddit and Facebook go? Kind of like what GameFAQs is to NeoGAF?
These social networks eventually will have to choose which one they want:
1. Normal folks
2. Hateful folks
These two groups cannot coexist. This is why eventually companies like facebook, twitter, reddit, etc start swinging the banhammer on the fringe hateful elements of society. Normal people don't want to have to deal with hate groups on a day to day basis.
So if a social media platform wants to cater to group 2 that is great. But they can't expect to also get group number 1 to join in large numbers.
This problem is close to the Ultima Online problem. Everyone says they want full open PvP, but then when the crazy hardcore PvP'ers start to wreck everyone as soon as they leave town, normal folks leave and go find a nice cozy MMO to play instead. So all that is left are the hardcore PvP players.
1. Normal folks
2. Hateful folks
These two groups cannot coexist. This is why eventually companies like facebook, twitter, reddit, etc start swinging the banhammer on the fringe hateful elements of society. Normal people don't want to have to deal with hate groups on a day to day basis.
So if a social media platform wants to cater to group 2 that is great. But they can't expect to also get group number 1 to join in large numbers.
This problem is close to the Ultima Online problem. Everyone says they want full open PvP, but then when the crazy hardcore PvP'ers start to wreck everyone as soon as they leave town, normal folks leave and go find a nice cozy MMO to play instead. So all that is left are the hardcore PvP players.
Why would trump to some startup when twitter won't dare kick him off? He already has that audience ear
RandomHopeInc
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I don't really understand how people could decry this kind of freedom of speech. Its the equivalent of doing things privately in the sense of doing something within your own community.
These people exist, if we just push them under the rug we can't address them head on. Even hateful people have rights. I'm super liberal, but I also believe in letting people have their voice as negative as it can be.
These people exist, if we just push them under the rug we can't address them head on. Even hateful people have rights. I'm super liberal, but I also believe in letting people have their voice as negative as it can be.
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Alligatorjandro
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I'm honestly tired of the media giving so much attention to the alt right
EdibleKnife
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I wouldn't mind if more of them would unequivocally call them white supremacists/neo-nazis and making it clear how much of their views reflect that of one of the most destructive and genocidal movements in the 20th century.
HellforLeather
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Alligatorjandro
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No way they'd call them that out of fear of upsetting them.
Before engaging them you have to stop their ideology from spreading further. Who do you think these people were before they become radicalized?
Slackbladder
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The only way to deal with any of this is to pull out the plug. I'm hoping for another Carrington event so we can reboot and get rid of theses cunts. But alas, we're stuck with them forever. Nothing will change. There are just too many cunts among us. Personally I'm somewhat resigned to the fact. And considering we'll be running out of food within the next 60 years or so we'll probably barely last as a civilisation for many more generations longer. Honestly, there's no reason for optimism. I just feel sorry for the younger generation (up-to-a-point).
Morality isn't exponential. It's like a roller coaster with ups and downs. We are currently heading down. We have a way to go to reach the bottom.
I just have no faith in dialogue and discussion. You can not be reasonable with the unreasonable. You can not be rational with the irrational. We've allowed our emotions to guide our thinking too far and now all we do is push each others buttons. We're fucked.
Morality isn't exponential. It's like a roller coaster with ups and downs. We are currently heading down. We have a way to go to reach the bottom.
I just have no faith in dialogue and discussion. You can not be reasonable with the unreasonable. You can not be rational with the irrational. We've allowed our emotions to guide our thinking too far and now all we do is push each others buttons. We're fucked.
Yeah it sounds good to me. Stormfront don't bother me either. If the racists wanna circle jerk I don't mind this guy throwing them lube.
Kill Your Masters
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You can't address a lot of them, especially online where most of them drive-by troll and then hide in their safe space caves with other neo nazis. They are a lost cause. Might as well keep them under a thousand rugs so they can't crawl out of them till they die living their shitty life filled with hate for a person because of his pigmentation.
Life is too short to try and convince people who don't want to be convinced that something is seriously wrong with their world view.
Uh, /v/ does it regularly whenever racism comes up.
Social media should model itself on how society has learned how to deal with these situations. Hateful bigoted people are pushed to the shadows of society. They are not allowed to take advantage of the same platforms as everyone else.
I think this is good. They will eventually eat themselves alive through rival crazy factions.
I think this is good. They will eventually eat themselves alive through rival crazy factions.
SuperDowns
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I agree, let them shit up their own corner of the internet.
Related http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/12/04/comet-ping-pong-fake-news-clinton-shots/94979994/
NC man goes to one of these pizza places to investigate himself, firing his AR. Luckily, no one injured.
NC man goes to one of these pizza places to investigate himself, firing his AR. Luckily, no one injured.
Steve Bannon will ask and they'll do him an app that posts to both so it's no extra work.
They live to hate everything, including each other. So lock them in a room and they'll immediately turn on each other.
Only a problem if everyone else legitimizes it. There have always been fringe pockets of the internet doing stupid shit. The problem is when mainstream media actually tries to give it a voice, or political parties are so loyal that they accept and embrace it. The republicans have been treading that line for awhile now, and really is the scariest thing about it all
Maybe if they didn't get a Nazi elected we would talk about them less
Fox Mulder
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great for them, go splash around in the slop together so I din't have to see it anywhere else. No point in talking to them and legitimizing their fucked views.
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