NYTimes: American Forces Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq
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Pfft that's too indirect. They gave money directly to Islamic terrorists in Syria because they were giving away money to rebels, whoever they might have been, just a few months ago. You'd think that money like that can be spend on crumbling infrastructure back home but I guess funding terrorists is a top priority.
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Bush had no real plan and we're all paying for it. However, I think it's a little disingenuous to frame everything in these terms when entire ethno-religious groups that have inhabited the region since antiquity are facing genocide in the short term. There is no long term for them there at the rate ISIS is going.
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I'd say we continue working towards getting a functional government running Iraq. I'm not a middle east expert, and i dont' think we should put in ground troops to take back cities, that's for the Iraq government and Khurdistan. I think what is achievable is to murder as many easy ISIS targets as possible with drones and airstrikes.
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My fear is ISIS won't hesitate to create human shields and the bombing/drone campaign would be futile and ground troops would be necessary.
If Canada didn't hog all of the maple syrup this never would have happened.
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Part of the reason ISIS have gained so much is cuz the raqi Shia and Sunni Arabs are not united, they haven't "bought in" Iraq yet. In fact they were busy fighting each other while ISIS was creeping across the border.
The Kurds, across Syria/Iraq north, have been consistent at the least. They stayed in teir place cuz the largely Shia Iraqi Gov't have done their best to isolate ethnic groups in the country, plus they don't have the man power to just mount random offensives across the country. AND the territory they've lost to ISIS have largely been cuz ISIS have gotten better 'American" weapons from the so-called Iraqi Army lol.
Overall the Arabs in Iraq have been super disappointing, zero leadership. The Kurds, while far from perfect, have largely guarded their lines well, they're fighting for something they actually believe in....
And on another note, some attitudes in this thread are straight up disturbing. Looks like Bush's specific fuck up have turned a lot of Americans into a bunch of powerful bystanders.
Damn it Rob Ford you had one job.
Stephen Harper's strange face makes the ISIS think Satan has arrived and they must prepare to fight!
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They'll be using civilians as human shields, almost 100% sure.
we broke it so we have to at least help fix it once in a while. not in favor of sending troops but calling in air strikes to help the people fighting these maniacs is ok with me.
teruterubozu
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Yup.
Dominican Power
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The Iraqi Army needs to get off their ass.
CNN is saying that the Iraqi ariforce has taken credit for it. But idk, I haven't seen anyone else report it. I'm just not going to pay too much attention to this story until they get their info sorted out. Also I don't trust CNN on this.
Edit: CNN is full of shit. But also glad we're doing something.
Obviously "things" are are going on, right now, with regard to the U.S. military and ISIS in Iraq.
Fox News television just said 5 minute warning. Not that the President will speak in 5 min, but to get ready. He'll be speaking pretty soon.
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MSNBC: President Obama to speak at 9:30 PM Eastern Time
Fox News television just said 5 minute warning. Not that the President will speak in 5 min, but to get ready. He'll be speaking pretty soon.
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MSNBC: President Obama to speak at 9:30 PM Eastern Time
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what would you say then if said airstrikes killed a few civilians here and there. because as we know, bombs are not meant for single bulletk illing. it's meant to level an entire area
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Iraq or other forces fight back
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So why isn't the US doing just that? It's just saying don't go to the mountain, what happens to the people up there? I doubt any neighbors want them to come over.
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thanks for sharing this because I was in High School when the first War With Iraq became news
it took me a while to grow and understand that this shit was never going to be simple
The Kurds are supporting them, as far as I know.
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I'm just glad the Kurdish factions were smart enough to arm themselves and have some sort of autonomy when Saddam's regime was toppled. I was scared they were gonna get massacred when his government fell.
hopefully they'll at least drop supplies
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Likely they'll carve out a corridor with the Kurdish fighters for them to evac. Otherwise airdrops can keep them sustained for a while.
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Attacking ISIS preemptively would be committing ourselves to the problem. Obama clearly views this as a regional issue where the U.S. doesn't have a large enough stake to warrant military intervention. Whether you subscribe to the argument that "we broke it we now ought to fix it" we simply don't have the resources to be world police. Obama's action doesn't have anything to do with making sure those people on the mountain have a happy ending, it more about staying the mass execution the fanatics want to enact on them.
Cleaning up ISIS would equate to re-entering the region and spending more American lives and more money on a problem we don't have a provable method of fixing. Short of leaving a lasting garrison (decently large because unlike our bases in lets say Germany, these soldiers would most likely see combat), and committing resources to building a coalition between sects which despise each-other we can't do anything. Do the American people want to commit to rebuilding Iraq? The answer is overwhelming no.
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This is the right and proper course of action. Fuck those ISIS vermin
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That's not a lot for 40,000 people, 1 meal for every 8 people.
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Maybe not, but the US has anointed itself the leader of the democratic, free world, and as such, puts the burden on its shoulders to do something in these kind of situations. It just so happens that this is a clear cut situation where humanitarian intervention is right, justified, and proper.
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ISIS is so incredibly stupid.
By pushing into Kurdistan they were begging to get their dumb asses bombed.
By pushing into Kurdistan they were begging to get their dumb asses bombed.
Yeah. Hopefully they will make more runs.
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