So in other words you want to put your hands in your ears and pretend that Trump is going to be fine? wow that is a great way to look at things.
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Obama orders intelligence report of election cyberattacks
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$$$ and weed. No really, it's kind of amusing, but several government sources have gone on record saying that it's difficult to hire cyber security specialists due to mandatory drug testing as well as the pay gap.
Nope.
LOL WUT
So if there is something here we should ignore it because "nothing good can out of this"? That's fucking ridiculous, you just want to yell "LALALALALALALAA" while covering your ears and not face the truth?
HP_Wuvcraft
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Sadly, that will probably lead to riots.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Its cowardly. Plain and simple. To not want to stand up and defend yourself or your fellow citizens. To say "get over it, wait it out, it can't be that bad" is being a coward. Those who are more devoted to order than to justice are more dangerous than those openly devoted to chaos and injustice.
aspiegamer
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There actually being any direct impact on election results would be the news story of the century. This is highly, highly unlikely.
I'm a Democrat who's salty has hell that Trump won and think this should be done, but not to try to change any outcome. I long ago gave up on anything like that. It's honest-to-god important to know what a foreign government can do to us and to learn about improving the system. Besides, for how many Trump supporters were worried about and in some cases still claim electoral fraud it's just silly that they wouldn't want actual possibilities of it to be investigated. And yes, we can do investigate that unsubstantiated claim that millions of illegal immigrants votes if it makes you feel better.
I'm a Democrat who's salty has hell that Trump won and think this should be done, but not to try to change any outcome. I long ago gave up on anything like that. It's honest-to-god important to know what a foreign government can do to us and to learn about improving the system. Besides, for how many Trump supporters were worried about and in some cases still claim electoral fraud it's just silly that they wouldn't want actual possibilities of it to be investigated. And yes, we can do investigate that unsubstantiated claim that millions of illegal immigrants votes if it makes you feel better.
Some people here have taken the title to mean this is a report into the election results. It's not, it's the entire 2016 election process, as well as a comparison to previous ones.
It's almost guaranteed the results themselves are legitimate, as hacking those would be incredibly difficult and require multiple ops on US soil.
The report will most likely be a an official confirmation of what the intelligence community largely suspects - Russian state sponsored hacking of the DNC with strategic dissemination, as well as a propaganda campaign utilising fake news to target key demographics.
But regardless of what we think we know, an official enquiry is an absolute necessity and was going to happen whether they publicly said so or not.
It's almost guaranteed the results themselves are legitimate, as hacking those would be incredibly difficult and require multiple ops on US soil.
The report will most likely be a an official confirmation of what the intelligence community largely suspects - Russian state sponsored hacking of the DNC with strategic dissemination, as well as a propaganda campaign utilising fake news to target key demographics.
But regardless of what we think we know, an official enquiry is an absolute necessity and was going to happen whether they publicly said so or not.
No they won't tolerate it but the us military consists of all volunteers who have a voice as American citizens. That luxury allows some freedom of speech outside the UCMJ. Having Obama who many conservatives feel is taking away their rights or has a master plan to take away their rights or livelihood all of a sudden refuse to stand down and incoperate martial law would cause outright riots. I don't personally feel Obama is doing that or the changes to come aren't for the best. The fact is people DO feel that way. You would end up with uprisings to refusals from troops. It's just what happens if shit changes drastically. So no if Russia was found to have drastically interfered with the election the goal would be to stop it from happening again.
Edit: Also not to paint with broad brushes but at the time I joined more people joined from Texas then any other state. Not sure if that still rings true or not. Take that how you will.
Escape Goat
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Nothing good can come of it? The Constitution forbids the government from infringing on your right to vote. But it's OK if a foreign nation does? This makes zero sense. It doesn't matter if they succeeded or not. We need to identify if there is a problem. Your perception of America on the brink of dissolution is hyperbolic. This isn't about Trump or Hillary. It's about the integrity of our democratic system to have free and fair elections.
From my understanding this is more of a review into how to modernize election technology and prevent hacking in the future and not 'Did the RUSSIANS hack Trump into the White House?'
crooked spin
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Yeah, sounds more like an internal review from the article in the OP. I'd say "don't expect much to come of this" but I'd probably be accused of being a coward/pussy/coddler/etc.
I guess she isn't *that* crazy. Wow.
KernelPanic
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I am not sure what they can do to prevent the dissemination of fake news by foreign powers without making it censorship.
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Yep.
Russia is a far greater threat to global stability and western ideals than the pathetic cowardly terrorists.
Both share the same belief. To establish their own cultural superiority and denounce multiculturalism while hoping for the collapse of democracy. But only one of them has the infrastructure to make it happen.
Both share the same belief. To establish their own cultural superiority and denounce multiculturalism while hoping for the collapse of democracy. But only one of them has the infrastructure to make it happen.
What you're worried about is people saying they hate Trump? Is it going to hurt his widdle feelings?
You're missing the point and your ignorance is dangerous.
Oh, hey look it's whataboutism. A classic.
C'mon dude, any other reason this doesn't concern you aside from "Merica does it too!"
kiunchbb
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It is very naïve to think that auditing is a waste of money.
It is important to pinpoint and patch small problem in internal control before it escalate. We do hold this election things pretty often.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I heard people say this before but if a foreign power is truly trying to manipulate election results in its favor, it can't be ignored. I doubt Russia would be satisfied with simply getting Trump installed if they got away with it scott-free.
Lord Frieza
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The fact that this is Obama lead but with several fairly prominent GOP members behind it tells me two things:
1. Despite the heavily polarized nature of politics in the country, both parties are seeing that Russia and Putin are posing a huge threat with their cyber attacks and abilities, and it needs to be looked into and addressed.
2. Seeds are being planted for an impeachment. The GOP is subtly doing to Trump what Trump did to Hillary, bringing up a lot of questions about the legitimacy of his election and position. Even if this turns out being nothing in the end, the seeds of doubt are planted in ripe soil that was already there from the campaign and Trump doing little to distance himself from Putin. They are slowly sharping the knife to cut Trump's throat when the time comes. I don't think Obama is 'in' on that exactly, but I think he understands what's happening and is going along, because he knows that Pence in place as President may not be better, but at leas it will be stable and not as Russia-friendly. Sounds quasi-conspiracy, but just wait, I bet there will be a lot of murmurs from all sides about Trump and Russia well after he's elected, and it leads to the altar of the GOP.
1. Despite the heavily polarized nature of politics in the country, both parties are seeing that Russia and Putin are posing a huge threat with their cyber attacks and abilities, and it needs to be looked into and addressed.
2. Seeds are being planted for an impeachment. The GOP is subtly doing to Trump what Trump did to Hillary, bringing up a lot of questions about the legitimacy of his election and position. Even if this turns out being nothing in the end, the seeds of doubt are planted in ripe soil that was already there from the campaign and Trump doing little to distance himself from Putin. They are slowly sharping the knife to cut Trump's throat when the time comes. I don't think Obama is 'in' on that exactly, but I think he understands what's happening and is going along, because he knows that Pence in place as President may not be better, but at leas it will be stable and not as Russia-friendly. Sounds quasi-conspiracy, but just wait, I bet there will be a lot of murmurs from all sides about Trump and Russia well after he's elected, and it leads to the altar of the GOP.
Vestal
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Yes it can't be ignored. It's just a nightmare if we do find something.
Pretty much. It's now clear that Russia is engaging in hostile actions towards the United States. This may not be in the form of airstrikes on DC or carrier strike groups battling in the Atlantic but Putin's behavior is no less serious. Russian interference in an American elections is a direct attack on the very heart and soul of the US. This cannot be left unpunished. Alas with Trump entering the WH soon such a response will be put on hiatus for at least 4 years.
catapult37
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Both parties should be hugely concerned about foreign interference in elections. Sadly, most Trump supporters won't care. They will tell themselves that all Russia did was expose hidden truths about Hillary, inwardly (if not outwardly) thank Putin, and move on with their day. I don't see how even a smoking gun would alter our current situation.
And if knowing Russia interfered doesn't change the outcome, what do we do? We'll just write another round of dire think pieces, and we'll all feel a little less secure about the stability of the republic as we accelerate toward a post-truth, post-democracy world.
And if knowing Russia interfered doesn't change the outcome, what do we do? We'll just write another round of dire think pieces, and we'll all feel a little less secure about the stability of the republic as we accelerate toward a post-truth, post-democracy world.
man this year's got me cynical
At this point seeing what Trump has been like 4 weeks after winning, Not sure if Pence would be worse anymore.
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hydragonwarrior
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Well here's the thing. Let's say Pence gets the seat next - what happens to the Cabinet? Is it chosen by Congress then?
Lord Frieza
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For human rights and climate change, and generally democracy as a whole there's really little difference between the two I think. But Pence is stable, and he really doesn't seem to be pro-Russia, and I don't see him actively antagonizing our own fucking allies. He also doesn't seem nearly as hostile to the free press and his critics in general. It's not good, it's not even...okay. But he would definitely be better at the helm in the end. If for nothing else, global stability.
Lord Frieza
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I think in the case of an impeachment, it would be up the VP, now President, to either chose his new cabinet or keep the previous President's on. Their jobs would be in limbo, so to speak, but I don't think any of them actively lost their job when the President is removed, but potential new picks would have to be confirmed before the old are replaced.
I think, anyone who knows this better feel free to correct me. Most likely Pence would just keep the same shit in there, I imagine, with maybe one or two changes. He's the same type of shit as Trump, he just has a real, horrible and evil, head on his shoulders.
Tal Shiar Agent
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If a president is impeached for a major crime any appointments he made would be suspect. No way the new president would keep any of them.
republicans don't give a fuck
They're pushing a bill through Congress right now to do just that, actually.
H.R. 6393
It's in there.
This isn't to change the results, guys. Here's Obama's Press Secretary on them matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHRQBgDue0M
Lord Frieza
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While true, I could easily see Pence keeping most of them if the situation happens. Trump himself has become such a cult of personality he overwhelms most talk about his cabinet. I doubt there would be a lot of fuss, especially if this were the happen and Congress would still be GOP ran.
So your position is that anything America has done, it's fine for other countries to do to America?
I wish I could say this was your worst post but I really can't.
Dean save us!
Just_myles
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Not sure what this changes. Can they prove something happened that resulted in an unintended result??
Because if it was done now it was probably done in the past?
Probably for transparency's sake. Don't want anybody screaming "Why not check back when Obummer ran!?" and other such shit.
KO Traveling Hobo
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That's assuming that Pence isn't the one who has been making the calls already.
Bitmap Frogs
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After decades of the US fucking with other countries sovereignty this is hilarious.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Yeah, the most powerful and dangerous nation on the planet becoming unstable sure is hilarious.
Probably not. I doubt the main purpose of this is to find out if our voting process was physically tampered with. That's pretty unlikely.
But in investigating Russia's cyber attacks, hopefully they can come up with proof that Trump has some very odd and questionable ties and a relationship with them prior to the election.
One would think that could be game changing and grounds for impeachment.
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