DeepEnigma
Gold Member
One thing about these damned shows on there. The credits are 1/3 of the overall video runtime
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Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
My wife and I rolled our eyes so hard when the lady held onto the thermal grenade determined to die, instead of um … throwing it at the mass of Imperials bunched up moronically in the tunnels.
Kev Kev
Member
Only the first half was directed to you
Thinking the character sucks is fine. But you're wrong if you think she is the personification of the stereo type of angry black woman.
That short enough of a post for you?
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I noticed that too. Isn't it like 5 minutes of credits or something at least?One thing about these damned shows on there. The credits are 1/3 of the overall video runtime
The run time of the final ep is 70 minutes 'cause that's when they do all the international credits
Hugare
Gold Member
Told my girlfriend the exact same thing when it happened
"Just ... throw it".
And the "heartfelt" conversation that she had with Obi Wan 5 minutes prior? After this scene I said "she gonna die later, isnt she?"
They developed her character 5 minutes before killing her, trying to make viewers feel something ... but, eh
Godspeed, lady that I cant even remember your name
Vaelka
Member
This is honestly the first time I've heard about this and I have no clue what people are talking about...
I mean, she's not even that mad just a bit heated.
Did they watch the new trilogy?
Kylo was just mad cuz mad and acted like an angry child, Reva is incredibly tame by comparison.
My real issue with Reva is the same I have with Leia which is that they simply take up too much screen time in an already short show and the story basically revolves around them.
I just wanted Obi-Wan vs Vader that was it, it should've been about Vader leading the hunt personally.
I still dunno why the fuck he didn't and why he just stayed on the ship in Episode 5 until it was too late, Obi-Wan never even ended up delaying him to begin with so it made no difference in the end.
Only reason he didn't is because if he did he would've just torn the door open and they would've been screwed ( altho Reva just used her lightsaber to open the door, why didn't she just do that from the start?..... ).
But that's a bad reason and is just being stupid for the sake of the plot, they should've just changed the scenario then so that it made sense.
Romulus
Member
Even if you like Reva the character, the actress playing her is fucking terrible. I would literally pick anyone from a lineup of late 20s professional black actresses over her, blindfolded. The Leia interrogation was SNL levels of satire bad. Everything she does comes off as a weak poser with no conviction or passion.
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PaddyOCanager
Member
Reva would've been a more compelling character imo if she survived the Jedi massacre, but it twisted her to the dark side and she was fanatically loyal to Vader. Obi Wan could see firsthand what could happen to Luke and Leia if Vader knew of their existence, how Vader would use them. This could cause Obi Wan to finally let go of the past and Anakin Skywalker, accept that he is no more, and resolve to truly devote himself to protecting the children.
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trikster40
Member
Surprised they didn’t do a little deaging on Hayden, whys he look older than he did in RotS?
Hopefully see more of him in finale.
Hopefully see more of him in finale.
Revolutionary
Member
I love the reactions to this video on social media so far. RLM fans are aghast that they didn't completely hate it, and Star Wars fans are acting like RLM loves the show lol
MacReady13
Member
They specifically say their bar is set so low that they actually are surprised it's not too bad! And I agree- there are things I like and other things I fucking hate. On the whole, I think the show is below average but it isn't saying much when coupled with the fact Star Wars under Disney is a horror show.
sol_bad
Member
The thing is, this is worse than the prequel films. There is zero logic in this show and it's so cheap looking. And ripping the prequel trilogy to shreds is how they became popular. It's utterly unfathomable that they could like this show more than the prequels.
InterMusketeer
Member
The RLM guys liked TFA too, and I think TLJ as well. They said multiple times that Rey was an interesting, engaging character that you care about. I thought she was a boring, badly written Mary Sue. This isn't the first time their takes were different from the majority.
I like watching their videos for entertainment purposes and sometimes they have some cool insights, but I often disagree with their opinions. Not that I've seen this show though.
I like watching their videos for entertainment purposes and sometimes they have some cool insights, but I often disagree with their opinions. Not that I've seen this show though.
Kev Kev
Member
i know you guys hate hearing this, but the majority of people are enjoying the show. a very loud vocal minority does hate it tho, and im surprised to see RLM isnt in that camp.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I mean, that's a given. They have to sure up the Death Star dialogue plot hole.LEGO set leak showing another Vader/Obi-Wan duel:
Yet, they have a new one with Reva.
ManaByte
Banned
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They explained why, and I agree with them. Once you stop giving a shit like you did when you were younger and how invested you were as Star Wars fans... you can find joy in it again, even with all the goofiness this IP has always been known for. When you become less emotionally invested, the ups and downs don't impact you any longer, and you can just enjoy it for what it is.
Kev Kev
Member
i thought it was top tier star wars. vader just using the force is something ive wanted to see in a live action film/show since the prequels.
the move reva did after vader threw her the light saber was utterly stupid tho. it killed the moment for me. but i thought everything leading up to that moment was fucking awesome
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lifa-cobex
Member
Jaybe
Member
Last episode was the best so far, but it’s like being the tallest midget. Much more focused at least, enjoyed the flashback, limited Leia antics. I get it’s Star Wars, But does every character need some plot that ties them into everything? More and more it is clear that it was a terrible casting call to put Moses as Reva. She has no range. Or perhaps does? Wouldn’t be the first good actor used poorly by a director (Lucas had McGregor stilted in TPM), but she doesn’t have much of a filmography for being 28 (some short films and some Queens Gambit scenes). We will see what grand idea Disney has but i thought they should have just let Vader kill her to conclude her storyline, assisting Obi being her redemption. Hope they don’t retcon something with Reva and Luke.
dr_octagon
Banned
Kev Kev
Member
After getting caught up to ep5, I'm now convinced the entire series was just to explain Leia's line "They let us go, they are tracking us" as she leads Han and Luke DIRECTLY to the "hidden" rebel base after escaping the Death Star, as she now has prior experience with traveling droids
A few concerns...
How THE FUCK do the rebels service their gear if it takes a pygmy child to access it? Was that base built by Jawas?
Second, they had an identical ship there THE WHOLE TIME???? Weren't they there for weeks waiting for a ride on the ship Obi-Wan was on? Yet they could have left days earlier since they already had a ship that could hold everyone? Did they only have one pilot? And if so, who was flying the ship Vader caught?
Big ass hanger doors easily visible from above, yet not a single tie fighter to watch it?
A few concerns...
How THE FUCK do the rebels service their gear if it takes a pygmy child to access it? Was that base built by Jawas?
Second, they had an identical ship there THE WHOLE TIME???? Weren't they there for weeks waiting for a ride on the ship Obi-Wan was on? Yet they could have left days earlier since they already had a ship that could hold everyone? Did they only have one pilot? And if so, who was flying the ship Vader caught?
Big ass hanger doors easily visible from above, yet not a single tie fighter to watch it?
Fbh
Member
Just caught up with Episode 5.
Don't know how the reactions to it have been online but that one felt like the worst one yet. The writing is reaching Rise of Skywalker levels of bad.
Also would it have killed to use some of that Marvel de-aging tech on Hayden? Or at least better makeup.
No shit he turned evil, dude was still relegated to Padawan in his 40's
Don't know how the reactions to it have been online but that one felt like the worst one yet. The writing is reaching Rise of Skywalker levels of bad.
Also would it have killed to use some of that Marvel de-aging tech on Hayden? Or at least better makeup.
No shit he turned evil, dude was still relegated to Padawan in his 40's
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BadBurger
Banned
lmao
As someone who has done their fair share of working on networking equipment for various companies, it's often funny the places companies are forced to install their gear and wiring into. I'd be laying down, contorted, snaking my way into position to examine wiring and a switch, another person reaching in awkwardly to hold a flashlight in place so I could see, and I'd be thinking "how in the fuck did they even install this switch here in the first place?". Like seriously. How?
So that scene actually made me giggle.
MacReady13
Member
I used to hate the RLM guys. Didn’t agree at all with their prequels hate. But I swallowed my pride and decided to watch other videos they had. I don’t with many of their takes or even their sometimes smug attitudes towards shows and films BUT, I don’t NEED to agree with them on everything! I enjoy their banter. I believe they’re very clever and they don’t pander to anyone. They stick with their opinions and I respect that.
I don’t totally agree with their thoughts on Obi Wan but that’s cool. Each to their own.
BadBurger
Banned
The RLM guys whole schtick would be sufferable if they were teens or in their early twenties. But watching a bunch of 40-something year old dudes trying to be relentless contrarian edgelords is just pure distilled cringe. "Hello fellow kids" energy but worse because it's unironic.
They are often funny, at least. But they're way too old to not have genuine, thoughtful opinions about things.
They are often funny, at least. But they're way too old to not have genuine, thoughtful opinions about things.
Revolutionary
Member
I'm glad that people are getting a kick out of this. I actually made it for the RLM Subreddit yesterday morning but I thought I did a mediocre job (haven't used Photoshop in some years) so I didn't post it here lol
Lol, what? If they were teens or in their early twenties, they wouldn't have valuable opinions on films or television because they wouldn't have had the experience to know what they're talking about. That's why most YouTube reviewers are a joke - they're just dumb kids in their bedroom who have the skills to edit a video but nothing valuable to say because they have no experience in the field, or simply blatant shills.
The reason why RLM has been so popular for so long and DO have valuable opinions on film and television is BECAUSE of the experience they have. They are filmmakers themselves, after all. They often talk about technical aspects that most others don't, because most others have no clue about those aspects.
But of course you wouldn't know that because you only saw one video where they were negative about something you liked and decided they were "contrarian edgelords" as a result.
BadBurger
Banned
I think you're vastly overestimating how much time a person needs to dedicate to pop culture to form a coherent opinion about it. We're not discussing molecular genetics or something here.
dr_octagon
Banned
I think a lot of the comedy elements and popular movie hot takes overshadow RLM being a solid review channel.
It is people talking about movies and tv shows and there is an audience for the content. The long form content, especially for non mainstream titles, is good.
RLM offer insightful and decent criticism for films and give plenty of praise when deserved. Plus the gifs and memes.
It is people talking about movies and tv shows and there is an audience for the content. The long form content, especially for non mainstream titles, is good.
RLM offer insightful and decent criticism for films and give plenty of praise when deserved. Plus the gifs and memes.
sol_bad
Member
Are we really going to pretend they are film makers? I can acknowledge that they are "film makers" but not film makers.
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Ulysses 31
Gold Member
Refreshing to hear this take not coming from sites like bounding into comics for once.
www.forbes.com
No Disney, A Reva ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’ Spinoff Is A Terrible Idea
If Obi-Wan Kenobi and Boba Fett can't make these live-action Star Wars shows work, why would a character nobody likes or cares about?
www.forbes.com
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GnomeChimpsky
Member
I wonder what happened to all the female imperials between this and a New Hope. Did the Emperor get metoo'd and had to do another purge or something? 
Revolutionary
Member
Ah, I see the problem here. You reference to the the film industry as "pop culture" says it all. Have you even heard of half the movies they reviewed? Bone Tomahawk? Under the Silver Lake? Pig? Lake Mungo? Yeah, didn't think so. And again, they often delve into technical aspects of film that most people (like you) have no understanding of.I think you're vastly overestimating how much time a person needs to dedicate to pop culture to form a coherent opinion about it. We're not discussing molecular genetics or something here.
Be honest, the reason you think they're "contrarian edgelords" is because they said something mean about a popular franchise (probably Star Wars). Well, RLM isn't Collider. In fact, RLM parodied the shit out of them BECAUSE of Collider's reverence of pop culture.
In any case, this isn't the RLM thread so I'm not going to continue derailing the thread. If you want to continue this conversation, feel free to visit the RLM thread
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I miss Nerd Crew.
People also forget they started out in their late 20s or 30s. So it's not like they were in their forties when this all began.
Not only that but they remained consistently good. I love AVGN, but he's nowhere near as funny as he was even 10 years ago unlike RLM who are still great.
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TrebleShot
Member
Utter trash cartoony shit for kids.
Reva surviving yet another impaling.
Grand Inquisitor surviving the same.
Obi Wan a cowering fool.
Wasn’t he a general in the clone wars?
Disney with Star Wars has been horrible continuing to ruin the entire series and the basic continuity problems and basic logic has to be down to it being for children - but even young kids would understand the gap in logic continually applied.
Reva surviving yet another impaling.
Grand Inquisitor surviving the same.
Obi Wan a cowering fool.
Wasn’t he a general in the clone wars?
Disney with Star Wars has been horrible continuing to ruin the entire series and the basic continuity problems and basic logic has to be down to it being for children - but even young kids would understand the gap in logic continually applied.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
All of these shows are transitional, designed to usher in the next era of the franchises and characters etc. They completely miss the point of what and who fans loved in the first place.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Everything is focused on representation. Whether it's LGBT, genders, ideology, ethnicity or race, disability, etc.
That's pretty much going to be the second hand focus of all these movies and shows just as I was seeing in the Buzz Lightyear.
II'm not giving you a personal political opinion because that's not what I want to do and it's not allowed here anyways. I'm just saying that regardless of how you feel about it you better get used to it because it will be in everything now. They want to focus less on straight white men and that's just a fact.
Fwiw, I don't really hate or like this show. My opinion of it is it is mediocre at best and unnecessary. I've seen worse though.
I think RLM had a good point when they said the bar is so low nowadays that this show is "ok" by today's standards.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I really don't mind what is written in, who is acting it, why/when blah blah. It just has to be good and not braindead. When a show is titled Obi-Wan I expect the primary story to focus on that character, not go about filling in with 5 other characters for more screen time than Kenobi. It's a shame to see such high production values not fulfil its potential in terms of story or character development or action.
Ionian
Member
Refreshing to hear this take not coming from sites like bounding into comics for once.
No Disney, A Reva ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’ Spinoff Is A Terrible Idea
If Obi-Wan Kenobi and Boba Fett can't make these live-action Star Wars shows work, why would a character nobody likes or cares about?
Easily one of the most self-fart-sniffing article yet.
He could just say "i didn't like it' but nooooo, his self-agranduer with his terriblly pointless notes has him simply filling a word-quota. It's like he doesn't care other than overly trying to be edgy for Star Wars.
He failed, instead of a critic he came across as a wanker looking for anything to moan about.
Not a great episode but dude you literally wanked yourself with smugness on something that was an early episode and thought you wrote Shakespeare.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
He could've easily torn a lot more into the show with going into detail about the Leia chases or the Imperial security at the Inquisition HQ.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Oh, I'm definitely not disagreeing with what you're saying but I'll leave it at that.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
It's kind of funny but thinking about it one of the reasons I've become a fan of Warhammer 40,000 is because of how much Star Wars has gone downhill.
I sort of wanted an alternative to Star Wars and Warhammer 40,000 is a great fit. Unlike Star Wars, in some ways Warhammer 40,000 is actually getting better than it was a few years ago. The video game certainly are getting better.
It's most certainly not the main reason I'm a Warhammer 40,000 fan which started about 6 years ago but it's definitely one of the reasons.
I sort of wanted an alternative to Star Wars and Warhammer 40,000 is a great fit. Unlike Star Wars, in some ways Warhammer 40,000 is actually getting better than it was a few years ago. The video game certainly are getting better.
It's most certainly not the main reason I'm a Warhammer 40,000 fan which started about 6 years ago but it's definitely one of the reasons.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
It's having the same issues that been plaguing Star Wars ever since Disney bought it
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I used to have that really big, thick Star Wars encyclopedia. I had it around the mid-2000s and used to read through that all the time and love seeing all the different expanded universe stuff.
Nowadays, all of this is garbage. Well the expanded universe definitely had some really crappy and silly shit, it was overall better than what we have now. KOTOR 1 and 2 alone are so good that in some ways they're even better than the original trilogy.