Romulus
Member
Yeah he's barely a force user at this point. He struggled to save little Leia so his connection to the force seems diminished almost completely.
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Yeah he's barely a force user at this point. He struggled to save little Leia so his connection to the force seems diminished almost completely.
Kraz
Member
A few possible answers to that based on the source of their anger. Her character is a year older than Anakin in Episode I.
I think I would have liked her chase scene to have been developed more with earlier scenes to show some specific familiarity with the woods that she could have used to her advantage. A scene of her playing being chased by her guards and maybe they'd been actually training her under guidance during that play.
DKehoe
Member
I'm not saying it's impossible within the fiction. I get that it is and that Qui-Gon was even the first Jedi to discover that ability, which then enabled Obi-Wan and Yoda to do the same. What I mean is the show shouldn't just be building to "check it out guys, Liam Neeson!"
As I said I can get how it can provide emotional catharsis. So it's something they can build properly, particularly with Obi-Want clearly having a troubled relationship with his past. But Disney should be careful they don't become reliant on just building stories around meta aspects like cameos.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
But also back then nobody was milking franchises with 10 movies. Trilogy is best they got. Which is exactly why the second trilogy was a prequel and then Disney came in and literally shit on the whole thing with nicer CGI.
Shhhh, don’t tell Star Wars fans that Lucas actually didn’t plan out the OT. It’s their comfort pillow of a lie that they are somehow able to maintain despite the abundant amount of behind the scenes details contradicting it and the fact that Lucas himself admitted in 2010 they made the OT up as they went along.
Doom85
Member
Oookay, but it’s really got nothing to do with fans claiming Lucas did one thing when the man himself said another thing. Like, I get it you all, you hate the new movies, but that’s not relevant to what I was saying.
Also, Star Trek fans hearing “11 films and a few shows = milking” and being all:
Like, I never saw additional films as “milking” as opposed to “it’s about damn time”. A massive galaxy is there so why the hell would I want that limited to two trilogies. Lucas himself wanted to keep going too, but the bitch known as life and reality got in his way. But hey, six films still an accomplishment, warts and all, so no disrespect to him. But no reason the franchise has to die with him (not as in literal death obviously). Hell, the original EU went on just fine without him (as he mainly just dropped a few guidelines and rules they had to follow).
Ulysses 31
Member
Surely you'll agree the way the little Leia and Bobba Fett scooters chase scenes are shot and directed aren't doing their respective shows any favors.
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Little Mac
Member
This little 10 year old girl spent the better part of two episodes outrunning grown ass men. I’m sure the New England Patriots are drafting a contract as we speak.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Luke’s hair lightens over time in the Tattooine suns is what I’m going with.
But Luke WAS a pilot. He wanted to go to the academy, he mentions he can fly when he first met Han, that whole shooting wamprat bit was kids in speeders and small ships racing through canyons.
Luke is the very antithesis of a Mary Sue. He struggles for his success, suffers consequences, and receives extensive mentoring and training throughout the OT.
Ulysses 31
Member
And he would've died 100% if it wasn't for his co-pilots and Han showing up.
Trunx81
Member
Im not saying that Luke is a Mary Sue, though flying through canyons and shooting rats is nothing compared to the power of a fully trained Tie fighter pilot. Space Battle is something completely different than terrain battle.
But yes: The cinematography of Leias chase was absolutely dogshit
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I mean, to be fair, it's kind of the equivalent to saying "Yeah, I could fight a samurai, I've used a knife in the kitchen before!"
But the fact that there was actually something in the script to at least attempt to have it make narrative sense is above and beyond Disney's Rey "I've been a scavenger on a desert planet my entire brief life, but let me pilot this old ship that I've never seen before through a fucking Star Destroyer while being chased by trained military pilots," "Skywalker,".
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
So I've seen the first two episodes and..well....it's not that good. It also just helps to remind me how much better the Prequel Trilogy actually was compared to what Disney's given so far.
>Hallmark Dialogue
I can't really "explain" this one but it's just something I feel in Disney's stuff between Star Wars and many of the modern MCU shows & films. The way they're written, directed, filmed...it just feels like one hour-long or two hour-long Hallmark commercial. Everything feels so sanitized and by-the-numbers.
>Obi-Wan
They really dumbed this dude down. He's basically what Luke was in The Last Jedi but slightly less belittled. His character lacks agency, which is something you NEED the protagonist of the story to have. Then again, Obi-Wan's not really the protagonist, is he?
Also how did Obi-Wan not know that Anakin was still alive during the ten years it's been between the end of Revenge of the Sith and this show? Somehow he doesn't learn about Anakin whatsoever in that entire 10-year time period? That's really hard to believe.
>Reva
Look I have nothing against the actress, but her character so far is very unlikable. Not that I need villains to be likeable; however she's also clearly the protagonist (at least so far) since it's her character driving the agency for the plot.
My real issue is multi-faceted. One, they basically have written her as the stereotypical "angry black woman" trope; her character is ALWAYS angry and acting tough, to the point you wonder if she's just severely constipated. They could've made her look tough and be threatening without having writing this poor where she's basically a caricature, but that'd of required some nuance with the writing.
Also yeah, the writing (at least for her character) is pretty bad and the actress herself isn't skilled enough (potentially) to elevate the bad writing and directing. I think the actual directing for her character is also at fault.
>Leila
I actually thought she was one of the few good parts of these episodes. For a kid actress they're pretty good, though they did write Leila to be kind of annoying. Then again, kids in general can be kind of annoying at times, so it's accurate.
Yeah that's about all I have to say. So far it's mediocre at best, hopefully it gets better.
>Hallmark Dialogue
I can't really "explain" this one but it's just something I feel in Disney's stuff between Star Wars and many of the modern MCU shows & films. The way they're written, directed, filmed...it just feels like one hour-long or two hour-long Hallmark commercial. Everything feels so sanitized and by-the-numbers.
>Obi-Wan
They really dumbed this dude down. He's basically what Luke was in The Last Jedi but slightly less belittled. His character lacks agency, which is something you NEED the protagonist of the story to have. Then again, Obi-Wan's not really the protagonist, is he?
Also how did Obi-Wan not know that Anakin was still alive during the ten years it's been between the end of Revenge of the Sith and this show? Somehow he doesn't learn about Anakin whatsoever in that entire 10-year time period? That's really hard to believe.
>Reva
Look I have nothing against the actress, but her character so far is very unlikable. Not that I need villains to be likeable; however she's also clearly the protagonist (at least so far) since it's her character driving the agency for the plot.
My real issue is multi-faceted. One, they basically have written her as the stereotypical "angry black woman" trope; her character is ALWAYS angry and acting tough, to the point you wonder if she's just severely constipated. They could've made her look tough and be threatening without having writing this poor where she's basically a caricature, but that'd of required some nuance with the writing.
Also yeah, the writing (at least for her character) is pretty bad and the actress herself isn't skilled enough (potentially) to elevate the bad writing and directing. I think the actual directing for her character is also at fault.
>Leila
I actually thought she was one of the few good parts of these episodes. For a kid actress they're pretty good, though they did write Leila to be kind of annoying. Then again, kids in general can be kind of annoying at times, so it's accurate.
Yeah that's about all I have to say. So far it's mediocre at best, hopefully it gets better.
dr_octagon
Banned
Ewan and Hayden are the main reasons why I will watch. The guy who plays Owen is also a decent actor, pre-over cooked turkey era might be interesting.
They should have made a single 2-3hr good film but tv series makes dollah dollah bill.
They should have made a single 2-3hr good film but tv series makes dollah dollah bill.
Ulysses 31
Member
They need to stretch content over multiple weeks(preferably over more than a month to encourage resubbing.).Ewan and Hayden are the main reasons why I will watch. The guy who plays Owen is also a decent actor, pre-over cooked turkey era might be interesting.
They should have made a single 2-3hr good film but tv series makes dollah dollah bill.
dr_octagon
Banned
I would actually watch a series of Obi wan just pottering around, mows the lawn, goes to the space bank etc.
ManaByte
Gold Member
It was going to be a 2 hour movie. But then they were stupid and didn't market Solo until 3 months before release and the standalone movies were cancelled.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
My take on the Leia chase scene: I ignored the oddness of it. They were trying to convincingly create a scenario in which grown men were chasing a little girl who's legs are about as long as my forearms. It was going to demand the viewer suspend their disbelief some. No big deal.
ManaByte
Gold Member
In a universe with space wizards and laser swords, how fucking dare you sir.
Inspector Q
Member
Seriously, though....what is up with the musical score? Where are all the classic tracks? Anyone know why they refuse to use any of that stuff?
I can totally buy that vaders origin as one of the most celebrated Jedi in recent memory is an incredibly closely held secret.
Which is why it is so baffling that a third tier sithette A. Knows this and B. Drops it so casually.
DKehoe
Member
I wondered about this but figure Inquisitors have access to records that most people don't.
Ulysses 31
Member
Apparently there's a Disney era comic where Vader kills people who know he's Anakin and several SW channels like Star Wars Theory have said it too.
John Marston
GAF's very own treasure goblin
If they go the Halo route and have Vader without his helmet most of the time just to show off Hayden Christensen I'm gonna have an aneurysm.
But they can't do that because he needs the helmet to breathe right? RIGHT?
But they can't do that because he needs the helmet to breathe right? RIGHT?
BouncyFrag
Member
Kenobi working in a meat processor line reminded me of WW working at the car wash in Breaking Bad.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
ManaByte
Gold Member
The closest to that we'll probably get is this from Rebels but in live action:
As for showing Hayden's face:
There's apparently a flashback coming up that's set right before ROTS with Anakin and Obi-Wan sparring in the Jedi Temple.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Hope this is trueThe closest to that we'll probably get is this from Rebels but in live action:
As for showing Hayden's face:
There's apparently a flashback coming up that's set right before ROTS with Anakin and Obi-Wan sparring in the Jedi Temple.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Apparently it goes like this:
Vader wins the first fight, which is coming up. But when thinking about it Obi-Wan flashes back to the sparring in the Jedi Temple and remembers something in that fight, which he's able to exploit in the second fight.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I'm a big Prequel fan so been enjoying this show alot
Mossybrew
Banned
Well put. It's passable entertainment, there are definitely some cool moments, but it's so scattershot.
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
Ill watch this whole thing just because having Ewan and Hayden back in these roles is special... but it really pissed me off that
they offed the Grand Inquisitor like that in favor of that trashbag Reva. Her character sucks and the actress is amateur as fuck. Absolutely criminal.
The other inquisitors all have such a unique look about them, shes so vanilla. And why get such a mediocre actress for such a big role? My god shes awful. Not intimidating at all, doesn't feel dangerous at all, line delivery sucks. Grand Inquisitor was dope I was looking forward to him being the main baddie, so that pissed me off. She better meet a horrible fate, I want retribution.
Edit - maybe he's not actually dead... I think Rebels takes place after this and he's in that... so maybe he comes back for sweet revenge.
The other inquisitors all have such a unique look about them, shes so vanilla. And why get such a mediocre actress for such a big role? My god shes awful. Not intimidating at all, doesn't feel dangerous at all, line delivery sucks. Grand Inquisitor was dope I was looking forward to him being the main baddie, so that pissed me off. She better meet a horrible fate, I want retribution.
Edit - maybe he's not actually dead... I think Rebels takes place after this and he's in that... so maybe he comes back for sweet revenge.
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I think my biggest issue is casting a 6 year old and calling her 10. I know Leia is short but this girl is not 10. Also it is hard for me to think obiwan just forgot how to use the force. Or was latent in it due to neglect. So far my kids and I are enjoying it. But leia is a real miss.
Hari Seldon
Member
It is my favorite of these Disney star war series but that isn’t saying much. I’ll stick with it, but they need much better writing for the villain than “angry black woman”.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Can't wait to see obi wan get his ass kicked the first time he uses his lightsaber. Christ.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Leia's run is weird too. I almost think maybe they cast a "little person" to play her when I see the gait. There is just something off about it. MY 10 year old didn't run around all the time. She laid around and tried to get out of chores.
I also agree with the Inquisitor main villain. She is just bad at delivering some of her lines. It is noticeable. They already put an article out there telling that actress she will get racist hate from "fans". So any criticism of her will seem like you just hate her skin color and not her performance.
One thing we haven't gotten yet is Blue Milk. Where is the blue milk, and what animal creates it.
I also agree with the Inquisitor main villain. She is just bad at delivering some of her lines. It is noticeable. They already put an article out there telling that actress she will get racist hate from "fans". So any criticism of her will seem like you just hate her skin color and not her performance.
One thing we haven't gotten yet is Blue Milk. Where is the blue milk, and what animal creates it.
Mossybrew
Banned
LOL I know right, I was thinking this same thing. Kinda part of why I call her a Muppet, something's just fucking OFF with this weird baby.
Reva is terrible, I fucking hate angry, edgy, over the top villains, we get it, you hate Kenobi... Yeezaz woman, just chill for a bit...
Every line is like she tries too hard to deliver it with hate, which is stupid and I'm not buying it.
Now, not only the character is terribly written, the actress is not good at all for this part.
JimmyRustler
Member
Finished both episodes. I'm baffled by the rather positive reception. Thought it was straight out garbage so far.
- Acting and writing were horrible
- Though kid placement from Disney is getting super tiresome
- The case scene in the forest was laughably bad
- Parkour run of the roofs... looooooooooool
- Reva uses mind trick to find Obi Wan in episode 2 but for some reason didn't bother to do so in episode 1
Hope Christensen brings in a bit class here...
If it wasn't just 6 episodes I'd probably stop watching.
- Acting and writing were horrible
- Though kid placement from Disney is getting super tiresome
- The case scene in the forest was laughably bad
- Parkour run of the roofs... looooooooooool
- Reva uses mind trick to find Obi Wan in episode 2 but for some reason didn't bother to do so in episode 1
Hope Christensen brings in a bit class here...
If it wasn't just 6 episodes I'd probably stop watching.
Mossybrew
Banned
No, you guys are right. I've read positive reviews and reactions, and I'm like, what the FUCK show did you watch? I didn't watch that show.
Melon Husk
Member
Why does Obi-Wan work at Tyson Foods? Isn't he self sufficient enough as a jedi to hunt for whatever meat they're processing there?
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Werewolf Jones
Member
This show is really fucking bad.
Dragged out pacing.
Bratty know it all little kid.
Ben Kenobi is neutered.
Stupid scenes like Leia getting chased in the woods.
Mandalorian was a fluke. Bobba Fett was bad, this is bad as well.
Dragged out pacing.
Bratty know it all little kid.
Ben Kenobi is neutered.
Stupid scenes like Leia getting chased in the woods.
Mandalorian was a fluke. Bobba Fett was bad, this is bad as well.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
I kinda like it that Kenobi is struggling to reconnect with the Force.
But the direction, pace, and script is all over the shop. Reva … omg, the actress who plays her is ugh. They should have cast this awesome mofo from Fallen Order:
And Leia … Kenobi should have let her fall (okay maybe not).
The funniest sequence for me was Reva just doing all that unnecessary parkour, and still failing to really catch up with the pair. And if Reva could simply pull thoughts from people as she did to Heja the fake Jedi, why didn’t she do it to that bogan Owen? Or anyone else that she was questioning.
But the direction, pace, and script is all over the shop. Reva … omg, the actress who plays her is ugh. They should have cast this awesome mofo from Fallen Order:
And Leia … Kenobi should have let her fall (okay maybe not).
The funniest sequence for me was Reva just doing all that unnecessary parkour, and still failing to really catch up with the pair. And if Reva could simply pull thoughts from people as she did to Heja the fake Jedi, why didn’t she do it to that bogan Owen? Or anyone else that she was questioning.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I assume that Leia's memories of all this will be wiped out? She mentioned none of this in A New Hope. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi you're my only hope. You fought with my father in the clone wars You totally saved me from the Inquisitors.
HoodWinked
Member
The scraps he steals he just feeds to his space camel. So he's doing it for the wages. But an example of the directionlessness of the show is how they kept showing Obi Wan stealing the meat to setup something like he would get confronted or caught but that never happens. So it just kinda weirdly ends up condoning job theft. Weird message to send for a kids show.