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Occupy Wall St - Occupy Everywhere, Occupy Together!

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I guess instead of just posting a link to my album, I should actually post my pictures here (warning: they're crappy cell phone pics):

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Photo-0016 - hey, what's all that noise?

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Photo-0017 - where are all these police cars going?

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Photo-0018 - Police Officer looking on

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Photo-0021

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Photo-0022 - outside the IMF

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Photo-0023

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Photo-0024 - Police with the IMF seal

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Photo-0025

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Photo-0026 - Anon showed up

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Photo-0027 - Some of the "End The Fed" anti-Obama people who were there

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Photo-0028

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Photo-0029 - The "End The Fed" people actually left for the Fed instead of staying for the General Assembly with the rest of the group.

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Photo-0031 - Hm, his mask seems to have slipped

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Photo-0032 - Putting one in jail also works

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Photo-0033 - Gee Dub represent!

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Photo-0034 - In case you can't read it, it says "People Over Profit$"

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Photo-0035 - Apparently the girl on the right is in my Math and Politics class with me?

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Photo-0036 - Plenty of photos were being taken, all right

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Photo-0037 - Is that Karl Marx or Frederick Douglass replacing Uncle Sam there?

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Photo-0038 - The closest anyone came to getting arrested (for walking in the street)

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Photo-0039 - A Kucinich supporter

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Photo-0040 - A depot of extra signs (the one I had left there earlier this week was still there, although it looked like its back had been used as a paint palette)

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Photo-0041 - Musicians
 
sp3000 said:
Lol, this was just outside where I work. I recognize the buildings in some of those pictures.
Really? Where do you work? I find it somewhat surprising you could recognize buildings, considering the crappy quality of my pictures, and the fact that so many buildings in DC look so similar.
 
goodcow said:
Wall Street is comprised of corporations whose sole duty is to make profit, by any means possible. That's what a corporation does. They don't give a shit that these people are out there protesting.

Before, a corporation was seen as part of the social fabric and business owners were of the idea that they had a responsibility not only to the owners (to make a profit for them), but to serve their local and greater communities and their country.

Then someone came up with the notion that businesses exist to profit and only to profit for the shareholders, as if businesses existed in a vacuum and everything a business did was inherently right because a free market would automatically correct any malignant behaviour.

Ripclawe said:
In a widely distributed pamphlet, “Welcome to Liberty Plaza: Home of Occupy Wall Street,” participants were instructed where to find relief. “After you’ve dined,” it reads, “feel free to refresh yourself in the restrooms of neighboring businesses like Burger King and McDonald’s without feeling obligated to buy anything.”

A manager of the Burger King in question said he had no trouble with the protesters, though a maintenance worker at the McDonald’s, Deon Cook, said that in recent days he had been forced to clean the bathroom every five minutes.

“I’m looking forward to it being over,” Mr. Cook said.

Some businesses do welcome the newly arrived neighbors.

A woman who tends the Dunkin’ Donuts kiosk a block from the site said coffee and doughnut consumption had jumped.

Yves Delva, a manager at a nearby Modell’s Sporting Goods, said sales had been brisk for sleeping bags, sweatshirts, hand warmers, sweatpants and goggles
— that last item presumably bought to protect the eyes from pepper spray, which has been used by the police in response to the demonstrations.

Goodness me, Ripclawe, look at that selective bolding. I bolded the other part... you know, where business owners are happy for the increased business.

---

How the hell is this legal?

It's not. It's securities fraud. /finance major
 
FlightOfHeaven said:
Before, a corporation was seen as part of the social fabric and business owners were of the idea that they had a responsibility not only to the owners (to make a profit for them), but to serve their local and greater communities and their country.

Then someone came up with the notion that businesses exist to profit and only to profit for the shareholders, as if businesses existed in a vacuum and everything a business did was inherently right because a free market would automatically correct any malignant behaviour.

This is all very important history about which many people are completely ignorant. Corporations were originally understood (properly) to be extensions of government power. So when a government granted a charter to allow the formation of a corporation, it was for a limited time and purpose, and always had a clause that legally required the corporation to act in the public interest.

Obviously, there was a shift and over time laws were passed that imposed strict fiduciary duties on corporations not as to the public but as to the corporation's shareholders, and to the exclusion of all other considerations, including the public interest. Of course, the other limitations that we typically placed on corporations also fell by the wayside. I am not aware of any research on how this radical transformation in how our society treated corporations came about--or even if any has ever been done on the subject--but it's a story that needs telling.

(If anybody knows of a book about it, I'd love a link.)
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
empty vessel said:
This is all very important history that most people about which many people are completely ignorant. Corporations were originally understood (properly) to be extensions of government power. So when a government granted a charter to allow the formation of a corporation, it was for a limited time and purpose, and always had a clause that legally required the corporation to act in the public interest.

Obviously, there was a shift and over time laws were passed that imposed strict fiduciary duties on corporations not as to the public but as to the corporation's shareholders, and to the exclusion of all other considerations, including the public interest. Of course, the other limitations that we typically placed on corporations also fell by the wayside. I am not aware of any research on how this radical transformation in how our society treated corporations came about--or even if any has ever been done on the subject--but it's a story that needs telling.

(If anybody knows of a book about it, I'd love a link.)

If you know some good books on economics in general, I'd love some links. I have that one you posted a couple times in this thread, and plan to get it this week. Anything else for my amazon wishlist?
 

magicstop

Member
Looks like there was a massive turnout at Washington Square Park, today.

http://twitpic.com/6x7mzf
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Also, some early reports coming in of mace being used against protesters in DC. We'll see . . .

Also, more crap coming from Bloomberg and crew:
http://rt.com/news/wall-street-cost-bloomberg-363/

Amazing quotes in there, such as

"They're going to be met with force when they do that," Kelly said, as cited by DNAinfo Manhattan local news. "Physical force is going to be used. This is something this core group obviously wanted to have happen."
 
Karma Kramer said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zCqHnd_pY&feature=player_embedded

VIDEO: Noam Chomsky Statement in Support of the #OccupyBoston Movement

Edit: Also I just read through http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm and I'm wondering if there are any well written critiques debunking his conclusions.

Edit 2: Maybe I will make a separate thread. I know Chomsky isn't unheard of or anything, but I find his analysis scarily paranoid yet well sourced and supported.

Watching this video now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ghoXQxdk6s

sorry but have to quote this, would really like chomsky's views to be addressed if they are nuts...

Noam Chomsky: How Climate Change Became a 'Liberal Hoax' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUA4cm0Rck&feature=related
 

Ripclawe

Banned
Corporations as they are now became that way because of the money generated were nice as tax revenue.

Simple version is only a wiki away

Labeled by both contemporaries and historians as "the grandest society of merchants in the universe",[citation needed] the British East India Company would come to symbolize the dazzlingly rich potential of the corporation, as well as new methods of business that could be both brutal and exploitive.[10] On 31 December 1600, the English monarchy granted the company a 15-year monopoly on trade to and from the East Indies and Africa. By 1611, shareholders in the East India Company were earning an almost 150% return on their investment. Subsequent stock offerings demonstrated just how lucrative the Company had become. Its first stock offering in 1613-1616 raised ₤418,000, and its first offering in 1617-1622 raised ₤1.6 million.[11]

In the United States, government chartering began to fall out of vogue in the mid-19th century. Corporate law at the time was focused on protection of the public interest, and not on the interests of corporate shareholders. Corporate charters were closely regulated by the states. Forming a corporation usually required an act of legislature. Investors generally had to be given an equal say in corporate governance, and corporations were required to comply with the purposes expressed in their charters. Many private firms in the 19th century avoided the corporate model for these reasons (Andrew Carnegie formed his steel operation as a limited partnership, and John D. Rockefeller set up Standard Oil as a trust). Eventually, state governments began to realize the greater corporate registration revenues available by providing more permissive corporate laws. New Jersey was the first state to adopt an "enabling" corporate law, with the goal of attracting more business to the state.[12] Delaware followed, and soon became known as the most corporation-friendly state in the country after New Jersey raised taxes on the corporations, driving them out. New Jersey reduced these taxes after this mistake was realized, but by then it was too late; even today, most major public corporations in the United States are set up under Delaware law.

By the beginning of the 19th century, government policy on both sides of the Atlantic began to change, reflecting the growing popularity of the proposition that corporations were riding the economic wave of the future. In 1819, the U.S. Supreme Court granted corporations a plethora of rights they had not previously recognized or enjoyed.[13] Corporate charters were deemed "inviolable", and not subject to arbitrary amendment or abolition by state governments.[14] The Corporation as a whole was labeled an "artificial person," possessing both individuality and immortality.[15]

At around the same time, British legislation was similarly freeing the corporation from historical restrictions. In 1844 the British Parliament passed the Joint Stock Companies Act, which allowed companies to incorporate without a royal charter or an Act of Parliament.[16] Ten years later, limited liability, the key provision of modern corporate law, passed into English law: in response to increasing pressure from newly emerging capital interests, Parliament passed the Limited Liability Act of 1855, which established the principle that any corporation could enjoy limited legal liability on both contract and tort claims simply by registering as a "limited" company with the appropriate government agency.[17]

This prompted the English periodical The Economist to write in 1855 that "never, perhaps, was a change so vehemently and generally demanded, of which the importance was so much overrated."[18] The glaring inaccuracy of the second part of this judgment was recognized by the same magazine more than 75 years later, when it claimed that, "[t]he economic historian of the future . . . may be inclined to assign to the nameless inventor of the principle of limited liability, as applied to trading corporations, a place of honour with Watt and Stephenson, and other pioneers of the Industrial Revolution."[19]

Beam said:
It depends on where people live. If people live in a city where living expenses are high than yes, it is fair. If they are not 10-15 is fair.[/QUOTE

Of course and when you raise the minimum wage that high, living expenses will stay the same.
 

Slavik81

Member
RSTEIN said:
People like empty vessel are so angry they can't articulate the problem nor define the problem. When pressed he reverts to his shell, claiming those that don't see his distorted world view are arrogant and ignorant. It's just pure anger. I feel sorry for him.
empty vessel is many things, but he is not that. I don't remember the first time I saw a post of his, but he has consistently supported left-wing movements, moderate and extremist alike, for as long as I can remember. He is articulate and clearly very intelligent.

if your aim is character assassination, that is a poor way to characterize him, as it's clearly untrue.

XMonkey said:
Besides that, don't you live in Canada? If so, have you ever once lived in the US?
American policy has a huge impact on Canada. There have also been several Canadian "Occupy" events, though it's rather unclear what their cause is.

It's perfectly reasonable for a Canadian to discuss the Occupy movement.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Saying that empty vessel has never articulated his position or what he believes would help remediate our current problems is a joke. He's been one of the posters who is MOST consistent in that regard.
 

Chichikov

Member
FlightOfHeaven said:
Then someone came up with the notion that businesses exist to profit and only to profit for the shareholders, as if businesses existed in a vacuum and everything a business did was inherently right because a free market would automatically correct any malignant behaviour.
And that someone had this to say about it recently -

“On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world,” he said. “Shareholder value is a result, not a strategy . . . Your main constituencies are your employees, your customers and your products.”​

read here: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/294ff1f2-0f27-11de-ba10-0000779fd2ac.html#axzz1aETHmvZP
 
Remember the news of the BofA $5 debit card fee last week?


Oct. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of America Corp., the lender seeking to trim expenses by eliminating at least 30,000 jobs, will pay former wealth-management division head Sallie L. Krawcheck $6 million after her dismissal last month.

That sum includes one year of her former salary, or $850,000, and a one-time payment of $5.15 million to be awarded in 2012, the Charlotte, North Carolina-based bank said yesterday in a filing. Joseph Price, whose position was also eliminated, gets a $5 million package, the bank sai

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...awcheck-6-million-severance-after-ouster.html
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Slavik81 said:
American policy has a huge impact on Canada. There have also been several Canadian "Occupy" events, though it's rather unclear what their cause is.

It's perfectly reasonable for a Canadian to discuss the Occupy movement.
It's fair, sure, but I don't consider the kind of broad, sweeping statements about US policy and government he was making to be reasonable if you don't live and work in the US.
 

dinazimmerman

Incurious Bastard
Chichikov said:
And that someone had this to say about it recently -

“On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world,” he said. “Shareholder value is a result, not a strategy . . . Your main constituencies are your employees, your customers and your products.”​

read here: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/294ff1f2-0f27-11de-ba10-0000779fd2ac.html#axzz1aETHmvZP

Uh, all he's saying that in order to maximize shareholder value in the long-run, it's essential to make sure the fundamentals underlying your business -- your employees, customer relationships, and products -- are in the best condition. He's denying that "short-term" management is a good strategy. He's NOT saying that businesses don't "exist to profit and only to profit for the shareholders." Also, "recently" is two years ago?

empty vessel said:
This is all very important history about which many people are completely ignorant. Corporations were originally understood (properly) to be extensions of government power. So when a government granted a charter to allow the formation of a corporation, it was for a limited time and purpose, and always had a clause that legally required the corporation to act in the public interest.

Obviously, there was a shift and over time laws were passed that imposed strict fiduciary duties on corporations not as to the public but as to the corporation's shareholders, and to the exclusion of all other considerations, including the public interest. Of course, the other limitations that we typically placed on corporations also fell by the wayside. I am not aware of any research on how this radical transformation in how our society treated corporations came about--or even if any has ever been done on the subject--but it's a story that needs telling.

(If anybody knows of a book about it, I'd love a link.)

You're going to love this article: http://www.corporatepolicy.org/issues/corppurpose.pdf
 

Enron

Banned
Protesters tried to force their way into the Smithsonian. Yeah, uhm, fuck that shit.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/09/us-usa-smithsonian-protests-idUSTRE79800C20111009


also

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011-10-08/wall-street-protest/50704774/1?csp=34news

Smithsonian spokesman John Gibbons said a large group of demonstrators, estimated at 100 to 200 people, arrived at about 3 p.m. and tried to enter the National Mall museum. When a security guard stopped the group from entering, saying they could not bring in signs, he was apparently held by demonstrators, Gibbons said. A second guard who arrived used pepper spray on at least one person and the crowd dispersed.

lovely.
 

Ripclawe

Banned
Legba Carrefour, who is working with Occupy D.C., said a number of individuals joined the march to the museum following an afternoon meeting of the group.

Ann Wilcox, a lawyer working with Stop the Machine, said a 19-year-old woman from Madison, Wisconsin, was arrested by police. She paid a fine and was released later Saturday. Wilcox said the protesters went to the Air and Space museum to demonstrate against a drone exhibit.

Nothing says protesting against the machine like holding a security guard hostage
 
Y'all just posted the same story three times in a row...

And are museums not public places? Not defending the use of force or holding a security guard. They should have just chilled at the entrance and protested.

I still find it humorous seeing the same familiar faces posting anything negative regarding the protestors behavior, when by and large this has been completely peaceful.
 

Slavik81

Member
Wilcox said the protesters went to the Air and Space museum to demonstrate against a drone exhibit.
Why against a drone exhibit at a museum? That's like protesting CNN for announcing Bush declaring war on Iraq.
A museum does make the world the way it is, it reflects how the world is.

Or are they upset because the exhibit has some sort of editorial stance?
 

Enron

Banned
Karma Kramer said:
Y'all just posted the same story three times in a row...

And are museums not public places? Not defending the use of force or holding a security guard. They should have just chilled at the entrance and protested.

I still find it humorous seeing the same familiar faces posting anything negative regarding the protestors behavior, when by and large this has been completely peaceful.

So basically you find it humorous when people who don't think like you do point out things that you would never talk about because it damages your cause. Sweet!

You have 200 protesters trying to force their way into a museum so they can demonstrate against an exhibit. Their intent may not be to destroy anything in the museum, but with that many people and that much anger I guarantee you some in that crowd would have fucked the Smithsonian up.

Slavik81 said:
Why against a drone exhibit at a museum? That's like protesting CNN for announcing Bush declaring war on Iraq.
A museum does make the world the way it is, it reflects how the world is.

Or are they upset because the exhibit has some sort of editorial stance?

It was an exhibit of the history of unmanned military flight, concluding with our current drones. THAT'S what they are mad about.

The National Air and Space Museum is probably 90% military, and that's what they are going after?
 
I'd just like to say that going to the Smithsonian wasn't even one of the options discussed at the McPherson Square GA last night. Don't know where these people came from...
 
Enron said:
So basically you find it humorous when people who don't think like you do point out things that you would never talk about because it damages your cause. Sweet!

No, I get my occupy news from this thread solely. I am just noticing a bias. I just admitted that any forceful or aggressive behavior should be criticized. But the overwhelming majority of protestors have been peaceful and I find the tone of yourself and others as disingenuous. Generalizing the protestors as lazy, hippies, violent hippies... whatever. Perhaps I am mistaken with my perception of you, Manos, Jenga.

btw you are generalizing again in the post above, by classifying my activity in this thread off my one observation. If there is evidence of violence used by the protestors I will certainly criticize those protestors, but I don't regard an isolated incident as some general characterization of the protestors. I condemned the aggression used at the Museum but followed up by stating a fact regarding the overall peaceful attitude held by the Occupy movement.
 
Viva La OWS!

There was a solidarity demonstration in my local area today, didn't find out about it until after it was over, gonna go to the next one, maybe even go into LA and check out that one.
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
I was in DC last weekend. I would have been pissed if a bunch of idiots cut short my Smithsonian Air and Space Museum visit.

Enron said:
It was an exhibit of the history of unmanned military flight, concluding with our current drones. THAT'S what they are mad about.

The National Air and Space Museum is probably 90% military, and that's what they are going after?


Excluding the Wright Brothers, pretty much every advancement in aircraft has been a result of military projects...
 
Karma Kramer said:
No, I get my occupy news from this thread solely. I am just noticing a bias. I just admitted that any forceful or aggressive behavior should be criticized. But the overwhelming majority of protestors have been peaceful and I find the tone of yourself and others as disingenuous. Generalizing the protestors as lazy, hippies, violent hippies... whatever.

> implying that just mentioning the words "tea party" wouldn't bring 15 pages of "LOL FAUX NEWS", "republicans/southerners/tea parties are racist", names calling, generalizing, I'm sure someone would post that guy with the "niggar" sign, ect.
 

Enron

Banned
Karma Kramer said:
No, I get my occupy news from this thread solely. I am just noticing a bias. I just admitted that any forceful or aggressive behavior should be criticized. But the overwhelming majority of protestors have been peaceful and I find the tone of yourself and others as disingenuous. Generalizing the protestors as lazy, hippies, violent hippies... whatever. Perhaps I am mistaken with my perception of you, Manos, Jenga.

btw you are generalizing again in the post above, by classifying my activity in this thread off my one observation. If there is evidence of violence used by the protestors I will certainly criticize those protestors, but I don't regard an isolated incident as some general characterization of the protestors. I condemned the aggression used at the Museum but followed up by stating a fact regarding the overall peaceful attitude held by the Occupy movement.

You are free to put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say. That's about the only thing I can tell you.
 
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
> implying that just mentioning the words "tea party" wouldn't bring 15 pages of "LOL FAUX NEWS", "republicans/southerners/tea parties are racist", names calling, generalizing, I'm sure someone would post that guy with the "niggar" sign, ect.

My viewpoint on the tea party is their core beliefs are sound. Smaller Government. It is fine to have this philosophy. However when individuals question Obama's birthplace and favor wars (iraq, drug war) I find their ideology more in line with neo-conservatism and racism... not smaller government. Occupy does not really have one ideology or belief. It is more about accountability and reform of the financial markets, reform that would prevent another 2008 collapse.

Enron said:
You are free to put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say. That's about the only thing I can tell you.

I have never put anyone on ignore on any forum. I find censoring unnecessary. You are free to continue to say what you want. Just don't categorize me as some occupy fanboy, when I am really my own fanboy and currently favor this kind of activity because it promotes accountability for real crimes, not ones constructed (birth certificate).
 

Enron

Banned
cooljeanius said:
I'd just like to say that going to the Smithsonian wasn't even one of the options discussed at the McPherson Square GA last night. Don't know where these people came from...

Here's what USAToday said about the makeup of the group - they apparently came from Occupy DC along with a couple of others.

Legba Carrefour, who is working with Occupy D.C., said a number of individuals joined the march to the museum following an afternoon meeting of the group.
 

Slavik81

Member
Enron said:
It was an exhibit of the history of unmanned military flight, concluding with our current drones. THAT'S what they are mad about.

The National Air and Space Museum is probably 90% military, and that's what they are going after?
So they want the museum to do what? Pretend that the development of unmanned aircraft never happened? If you're upset about the use of drones, go make trouble for Obama, not a museum curator. As the commander-in-chief, it's his job to approve strikes.

Further, it's not that the drones are the real problem, anyway. The real problem are the people willing to go ahead with attacks despite knowledge that there will be collateral damage. Regular air strikes, mortars or any other explosive weapon is the same in that regard.
 
Karma Kramer said:
My viewpoint on the tea party is their core beliefs are sound. Smaller Government. It is fine to have this philosophy. However when individuals question Obama's birthplace and favor wars (iraq, drug war) I find their ideology more in line with neo-conservatism and racism... not smaller government. Occupy does not really have one ideology or belief. It is more about accountability and reform of the financial markets, reform that would prevent another 2008 collapse.

Ok, so when individuals (your words) in a movement do things, you then ascribe those things to the entire group, except in the case of the movement you support, then it's just individuals and not the whole group. Got it.
 
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
Ok, so when individuals (your words) in a movement do things, you then ascribe those things to the entire group, except in the case of the movement you support, then it's just individuals and not the whole group. Got it.

Would you say there were only 150-200 people in the tea party questioning Obama's birthplace?

Let me answer that question for you...

In a New York Times/CBS poll released last week, a 45% plurality of Republicans said Obama was not born in America. Only one third (33%) of Republicans said Obama was born in America, while an additional 22% said they weren't sure.

If 45% of Occupy were using violence and aggression, it would be then OK to generalize the movement is rooted in some form of violent behavior/urge.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Would you say there were only 150-200 people in the tea party questioning Obama's birthplace?

Let me answer that question for you...



If 45% of Occupy were using violence and aggression, it would be then OK to generalize the movement is rooted in some form of violent behavior/urge.

Using the same unlinked, randomly quoted quote, 55% or a majority, believed the opposite.
 
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
Using the same unlinked, randomly quoted quote, 55% or a majority, believed the opposite.

Polls Show About Half Of GOPers Think Obama Wasn't Born In U.S.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...lf-of-gopers-think-obama-wasnt-born-in-us.php

Do you want me to find one for just tea party people? Cause I am guessing it will be a higher percentage.

Also care to show evidence that 45% of Occupy are violent. Because you accused me of generalizing for one group and not the other, when there is clearly a much larger percentage of people who think Obama isn't American vs Occupy Protestors who have been violent.
 

Enron

Banned
Karma Kramer said:
Polls Show About Half Of GOPers Think Obama Wasn't Born In U.S.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...lf-of-gopers-think-obama-wasnt-born-in-us.php

Do you want me to find one for just tea party people? Cause I am guessing it will be a higher percentage.

[sarcasm]I am noticing a bias in your postings. It seems that you and others only post negative things about people you don't agree with.[/sarcasm]

Oh snap, I just did the same thing you did to me!

I also found your demanding of a link to back up (which you thought was clearly false - sucks for you) my claim a few pages back a little bit confrontational, and your insistence on knowing who I plan to vote for in another thread was similarly confrontational. So please don't throw it in my face that I'm here only "tearing down" whatever when you've been trying to squeeze me for an attack angle to do the exact same thing you're accusing me of.

Kramer if you want to ramble on about how I am biased or whatever, do it in PM please.
 
Enron said:
I am noticing a bias in your postings. It seems that you and others only post negative things about people you don't agree with.

Oh snap, I just did the same thing you did to me!

This isn't actually true. Go to the Ron Paul thread (the founder of the tea party) and you will see me posting very favorably. So I am not biased against the tea party entirely... just certain aspects of it (birth certificate stuff, continuation of wars, tax cuts for the rich, etc).

Stop approaching everything so black and white and understand my points.

1)violence is bad
2)occupy has been by and large peaceful
3)obama is an american
4)tea party founded on sound ideas of smaller government, is hypocritical with promotion of war on drugs and wars over seas

Do you disagree with anything I just said?
 

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Karma Kramer said:
This isn't actually true. Go to the Ron Paul thread (the founder of the tea party) and you will see me posting very favorably. So I am not biased against the tea party entirely... just certain aspects of it (birth certificate stuff, continuation of wars, tax cuts for the rich, etc).

It's called sarcasm. Perhaps you've heard of it.
 
Enron said:
Here's what USAToday said about the makeup of the group - they apparently came from Occupy DC along with a couple of others.
Well I suppose one of the things discussed at last night's meeting was tabling deciding on today's action until today's meeting at noon, which I didn't go to. So maybe that's when they decided on it.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Polls Show About Half Of GOPers Think Obama Wasn't Born In U.S.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...lf-of-gopers-think-obama-wasnt-born-in-us.php

Do you want me to find one for just tea party people? Cause I am guessing it will be a higher percentage.

Also care to show evidence that 45% of Occupy are violent. Because you accused me of generalizing for one group and not the other, when there is clearly a much larger percentage of people who think Obama isn't American vs Occupy Protestors who have been violent.

Lol. Talking Points Memo. Clearly a non partisan website. The NY Times poll it quotes shows Tea Party Birthers at 44%, while just Republicans are at 45%. Only 1 point, but, against your assumption.

To get back to the Occuposse, I don't have a poll taken asking Occupiers if they are violent or not. I just find it hilarious that people in this thread jump down peoples throats for making assumptions about the Occupiers in any way when two clicks away are threads filled with people saying some pretty vile and mean shit to and about conservatives/republicans. There's a reason I don't usually bother with political threads on the boards.

Karma Kramer said:
Ron Paul (the founder of the tea party)

HAHAHAHAHAH OH WOW.
 
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