BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
If Ron Paul was brave enough to attack his own logic he'd have turned liberal a long time ago.Karma Kramer said:
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Occupy Wall St - Occupy Everywhere, Occupy Together!
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ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
We should occupy Blackstreet
No diggity.
No doubt.
No diggity.
No doubt.
He's right that there are many regulations in place that are only there to help big businesses.Karma Kramer said:
I think he's wrong in thinking that removing all regulations is going to solve the problem (and I have history to back me up, we used to live in an unregulated world).
And he's a bit intellectually dishonest when he ignore limitation to free market that are politically inconvenient to him, like immigration laws.
Karma Kramer
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FlyinJ said:
Yeah libertarians are becoming very frustrating... they make complete in some areas and other times... :|
I mean, really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI
Why in the fucking fuck would you shout down a fucking civil rights activist like that? Come on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI
Why in the fucking fuck would you shout down a fucking civil rights activist like that? Come on.
elrechazado
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Hate black people like the tea partiers.Door2Dawn said:
Karma Kramer
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elrechazao said:
lol
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
That method of conducting a thing is beyond retarded. Did that one guy put in a block because the civil rights guy was equal to him and everyone else there, and therefore he shouldn't get a chance to speak in a way he doesn't? Shut the fuck up. If I was attending I'd want to punch that dude in the face.Door2Dawn said:
And why are they repeating the megaphone dude?
edit: Eww, why did that video end with "secularstupidest.com". I feel dirty now, all around.
cooljeanius
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It confuses and aggravates the hell out of me, too.FlyinJ said:
CF_Fighter
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BobsRevenge said:
Because they all speak in "one voice". Kinda creepy if you ask me.
Feel free to look back a few posts / look at the previous page to stay up to date on the conversation, rather than making BS answers up.CF_Fighter said:
It's called "the people's mic" and it is used because of a lack of adequate amplification, such as in the case where there are hundreds of people trying to hear 1 individual with only a megaphone.
SouthernDragon
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CF_Fighter said:
On other forums you can make up shit and get away with it scott free.
Not on GAF, fella.
BobsRevenge said:
Ron Paul knows very well that his social libertarian preferences wouldn't hold up in his economic libertarian world. Labor would be forced to rise up against the miserable living standards and working conditions. Soon after, the Capitalist class would use whatever wedge issues they can find to break up Labor solidarity.
He knows this because it already fucking happened. The state is the lubricant that keeps market economy from eating itself.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
That didn't seem like an issue for Atlanta from that video. It just came off as silly, superfluous, and frustrating. I guess they just wanted to copy the NY protest?magicstop said:
ColonelColon
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Door2Dawn said:
I sincerely hope that Occupy Wall Street isn't similar to this assembly. How does the interjection of one person supersede the vote of the majority? The facilitator manipulates the crowd, shouting "mic check" to drown out people who dissent with his agenda. (watch at 8:36) This isn't democracy. This video is honestly a little disturbing.
UltimaPooh
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ColonelColon said:
You must not have been watching the same video.
Something Wicked
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Door2Dawn said:
Bwahahahaha!! "BY CONSENSUS! (BY CONSENSUS!)"
Wow, that's essentially the whole Occupier "movement" in a nutshell, and one of the main reasons why most of the country will never take them seriously- besides their moronic solutions to very complex issues.
ColonelColon
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UltimaPooh said:
Ultimately, the facilitator made the decision not to allow John Lewis to speak. The voting in the crowd and the "consensus" is bogus.
i posted that goddamned John Lewis video this morning ;_;
What am I, chopped liver?
Props to Occupy Atlanta though (even if they are all marxists that think the state is going to kill them) for not letting John Lewis speak. The man might have been a civil rights pioneer, but fuck him for everything afterwards. (For those who might not know, John Lewis is now a Congressman, hence the reason why they didn't let him speak).
What am I, chopped liver?
Props to Occupy Atlanta though (even if they are all marxists that think the state is going to kill them) for not letting John Lewis speak. The man might have been a civil rights pioneer, but fuck him for everything afterwards. (For those who might not know, John Lewis is now a Congressman, hence the reason why they didn't let him speak).
Karma Kramer
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Dartastic said:
Don't they know this will just encourage the protestors more?
ColonelColon said:
I think you are conflating the idea of majority rules versus consensus. With the consensus system, which is used in a LOT of public assemblies, a single person has the ability to block a movement. Bear in mind, that person is responsible for defending that position and moving toward a solution usually, but it's not about getting a majority.
Every system has its drawbacks: this is the point of these systems, though. To create methods for differing opinions and positions to resolve. The consensus model is often preferred because it allows everyone the opportunity to be heard and to have their opinion weigh as much as the next person. No one can be ignored or not heard, and groups cannot make decisions simply based on their numbers. You can imagine how that could be problematic in a group that is potentially dominated by one demographic or another, such as a group that is primarily white and male, etc.
I think the decision to not allow Lewis to speak was the right one, but a hard one. I suspect that he could have had valuable things to say, but I know that he is a politician and is therefore a representative of a system which is actively trying to co-opt us and shut us down. He represents that which we wish to change, and no special consideration should be afforded anyone in so far as this goes, I believe.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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magicstop said:
It's kind of absurd to say that every politician represents the corrupt system. Certainly, someone like John Lewis, Dennis Kucinich, or Bernie Sanders is against the same corporate and government malfeasance as the protesters and I sincerely doubt that they are the types the protesters are trying to oust. I mean I get why you wouldn't want someone like Charlie Rangel speaking, because he literally represents the kind of corruption that needs to be routed out, but this was different.
They should have let Lewis speak, and I think they not only lost a chance to gain positive news coverage, they made themselves look bad in the process. I mean they didn't even directly deny him the opportunity to speak, they decided to go over some agenda first then let him speak, which just seems disrespectful and has nothing to do with the justification you provided. I think even they realize it now since it seems some of the organizers apologized, which is better than going on trying to defend it.
Don't know if you guys have seen this....but parts of this video filmed on "Occupy Sacramento" feels like an Onion video.
(paraphrasing)
Reporter: So why are you here?
Organizer: That is something we're figuring out. Right now we have a message team developing that and it will be revealed tomorrow.
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/occupy-sacramento-protesters-lash-out-local-media
Yeah, I laughed pretty hard.
(paraphrasing)
Reporter: So why are you here?
Organizer: That is something we're figuring out. Right now we have a message team developing that and it will be revealed tomorrow.
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/occupy-sacramento-protesters-lash-out-local-media
Yeah, I laughed pretty hard.
A Human Becoming
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It's funny, but at the same time understandable. It's supposed to be a statement that represents the entire group.
Karma Kramer
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That video was embarrassing lol
Esiquio said:
Considering how many people are protesting, is it perplexing to know that the general consensus involving the population protesting about the bad things in our country right now are just as diverse as the people involved? I surely don't think most people are out there just for the sake of being out there, as there are far too many people involved now.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/
So, the daily caller (!) is angry that Obama's a corporatist? Does this mean he isn't a soshulist anymore?
So, the daily caller (!) is angry that Obama's a corporatist? Does this mean he isn't a soshulist anymore?
CrocMother
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I think it's clear that these protests are going to lead to our country being taken over by the Egyptian military.
Timedog said:
John Lewis is my Congressman, and he's a shitfuck. That's all I want to say on the matter.
Do you want this thread to be about OCCUPY<city>, or do you want it to be about Enron? I'm pretty boring; I'd prefer if we just kept this thread about the various OCCUPY<cities>, instead of trying to turn it into some poster-dogpile.
Edit: Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed's office telling OCCUPY Atlanta protesters to leave Woodruff Park
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/occupy-atlanta-holds-firm-1198255.html
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