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[Funky Papa]

I'm not the one trying to have my views shape American policy...

Ironically, you are doing it.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Ironically, you are doing it.

Eh. I vote. I actually work in gov't to a certain capacity. I keep myself well educated on the issues, though moreso local stuff. I'm just not arrogant enough to shove my views in the faces of a bunch of people who didn't ask for it and really don't have anything to do with policy making.

 

[darksunpr]

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Livestream.

 

[DiscoJer]

Capitalism is fine, corporatism isn't. The government is complicit in this whole problem, not just Wall Street. Look at Obama's cabinet. You think they're trying to "fix" this? It's already working perfectly for them.

That said, good for them, get your protest on. God knows we could use more civil unrest until some real change happens.

Exactly.

Unfortunately, for the left, the solution is always more government, under a mistaken belief that there is an adversarial relationship between government and big business. But in truth, they have a symbiotic relationship. Or rather, parasitic upon the taxpayers, and cooperating to shut out any competition from smaller companies.

 

[Qwomo]

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Livestream.

Hilarious stream name.

 

[ronito]

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Livestream.

probably more people watching the stream than are actually there.

Strangely fitting.

 

[jchap]

Creating a new tier of tax rates beyond 1Mil could eliminate much of the debate

 

[Utako]

Creating a new tier of tax rates beyond 1Mil could eliminate much of the debate

Actually taxing mega-corporations would help, too.

 

[Bloodbeard]

Live Stream of Protest: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Open Letter to Mainstream Media Concerning the Reason for the Protest: http://usdayofragefl.blogspot.com/2011/09/12.html

Friday, September 16, 2011
Tweeted: An Open Letter to All Media Outlets
Tweeted: An Open Letter to Shepard Smith and Jessica Locker. (And All media outlets and those that would Divide and Conquer With Labels)

Ms Locker and Mr Smith:

I saw Shepard’s warning of riots about jobs on his show today.

This is not true. Please, we need patriots. Don't spin this to take away the power of the people.

This is what is happening: Nonviolent protests and movements all over the Nation are starting on September 17, against the corruption that has subverted our government. They have several names and can be followed on Twitter at any number of hashtags (#usdor #sept17 #occupywallstreet #usdayofragefl)

This has nothing to do with jobs, unions, liberals or conservatives although we cannot be responsible for what every single individual says in front of the cameras. For sure there will be different voices but the main message is this: Corruption has subverted a government of, by and for the people and we have to go after the source of the money. We have one message regardless of politics. One citizen. One dollar. One vote. There will be masses of people from all political parties that will put this movement above party loyalty. We are UNITED, but there are people that will do everything they can to hijack and own the movement. This is all over the Internet. Twitter is ablaze. Today you will see it yourself by following the hashtags. People will be filming constantly to counter the spin that will be unleashed.

And then there is this: Bloomberg is full of shit. If there is violence it will only because he unleashes the brutal force of the government upon the non-violent protesters. Please read about the protests here: http://usdayofrage.org/ This is what Bloomberg is preparing for. To protect the powerful interests of Wall Street, the military industrial complex, etc. and the corrupt politicians that serve them, instead of protecting the First Amendment rights of the people to peaceful assembly and protest. Don't be fooled by the name. We are completely non-violent, but we are outraged at the corruption in Congress that is pillaging the American people.

Bloomberg and the US government will prove tomorrow if they are no different than the murderous, oppressive government in Syria, Egypt, Libya and Iran. If there is any violence I PROMISE YOU it will come from the police, from the government and make no mistake these courageous people that will show up know it. They are putting themselves in harm’s way because dissent against the corruption has to be crushed. The people’s will has to be crushed! Please. Don’t help to give cover to the violence he is preparing to unleash on his own citizens.

We are watching for planted agitators. In short, the attacks and the attempts to crush the people will be coming from all sides. There are corrupt, powerful people that do not want the people to be heard. If violence happens it will benefit them. WE KNOW THIS. So we lose. Make no mistake violence is not in our best interest and it will not come from us.

Please don’t spin this to divide and conquer the movement like the media has done with the bipartisan movement against the military industrial complex and a corrupt Congress that serves them. You have destroyed the Tea Party and liberal antiwar movement that were one and the same. Corrupt media uses spins and uses politics to distract from the truth. To destroy our truth. The truth that social media will prevent you from spinning anymore.

These non-violent protests that are being held all around the world in solidarity with protestors in the United States, is about corruption that has subverted a government of, by and for the people. Why don’t you report that and become the Fourth Estate instead of the propaganda machine that keeps a subverted government in power. We need a courageous Fourth Estate. The very lives and liberty of the people are at stake. Or will you be like the controlled, government censored media in Syria, Libya, Egypt and Iran?
Watch Twitter this weekend and you will be able to report some truth.

We are no one and everyone. Expect us!

jeanette borges
@usdayofragefl

To find out more:
http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/occupywallstreet
http://nycga.cc/
NYPD Manhattan Precincts 1-23 and Citywide 1-3 Live Audio Feed http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=8905
www.occupywallstreet.org
http://blogsofwar.com/monitor/index_usdor.html


Or follow on Twitter, #occupywallstreet #takewallstreet #usdor

probably more people watching the stream than are actually there.

Strangely fitting.

So what if there is; there is always tomorrow. Damn cynicism is fucking old.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Live Stream of Protest: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Open Letter to Mainstream Media Concerning the Reason for the Protest: http://usdayofragefl.blogspot.com/2011/09/12.html



Or follow on Twitter, #occupywallstreet #take wall



So what if there is; there is always tomorrow. Damn cynicism is fucking old.

Wow talk about some whiny stupid shit. What a bunch of jokers.

 

[dave is ok]

Wow talk about some whiny stupid shit. What a bunch of jokers.

We get it. You don't need to post it every page

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

We get it. You don't need to post it every page

But I am

 

[Slavik81]

A really, really low campaign finance donation limit doesn't seem so bad, actually. If that's all this is about then maybe their principles aren't as dumb as their method of spreading them.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

A really, really low campaign finance donation limit doesn't seem so bad, actually. If that's all this is about then maybe their principles aren't as dumb as their method of spreading them.

Campaign finance reform is good. It's actually the only thing corporate "personhood" really applies to. Yet for some reason people like to complain about "personhood" hits some sort of visceral soft spot for people. It also applies to their goal of "getting money out of politics."

 

[dave is ok]

Campaign finance reform is good. It's actually the only thing corporate "personhood" really applies to. Yet for some reason people like to complain about "personhood" hits some sort of visceral soft spot for people. It also applies to their goal of "getting money out of politics."

Corporations were given the 14th, then the 1st - we just need to make sure they don't get the 5th

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Corporations were given the 14th, then the 1st - we just need to make sure they don't get the 5th

What's the problem with them having the 14th again? Due process is a problem now? What's the problem with equal protection? "Corporation" isn't a protected class so that's not it....

 

[dead souls]

The Tea Party seem to be accomplishing quite a bit even though the messenger is some guy in a cowboy hat and an American flag shirt holding a sign saying Obama was born in Kenya.

The Tea Party was created and funded by coporate Republican interests so it isn't really a fair comparison. The Tea Party is anything but a populist uprising.

 

[Qwomo]

That open letter thing is both self-important and embarrassing.

Seriously, this is pathetic:

Bloomberg and the US government will prove tomorrow if they are no different than the murderous, oppressive government in Syria, Egypt, Libya and Iran. If there is any violence I PROMISE YOU it will come from the police, from the government and make no mistake these courageous people that will show up know it. They are putting themselves in harm’s way because dissent against the corruption has to be crushed. The people’s will has to be crushed! Please. Don’t help to give cover to the violence he is preparing to unleash on his own citizens.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

That open letter thing is both self-important and embarrassing.

Seriously, this is pathetic:

Welcome to the Club of Corporate Shills. (TM)

Spoiler

Am I allowed to believe in Trademarks or is that too corporatist?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

That open letter thing is both self-important and embarrassing.

Seriously, this is pathetic:

I know, it's seriously insulting to people who actually risk their lives for political reform.

Welcome to the Club of Corporate Shills. (TM)

Spoiler

Am I allowed to believe in Trademarks or is that too corporatist?

I'll file it at the USPTO for you!

 

[Bloodbeard]

The people there now may not be the best representatives for political reform in this country, but is what they are protesting against not worth joining with?

 

[Qwomo]

If you want political reform in the US then move somewhere else.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

The people there now may not be the best representatives for political reform in this country, but is what they are protesting against not worth joining with?

Not if you have to join these jokers doing it, it's a free gift to the opposition.

 

[dave is ok]

What's the problem with them having the 14th again? Due process is a problem now? What's the problem with equal protection? "Corporation" isn't a protected class so that's not it....

Where did I say I had a problem with giving them the 14th?

 

[Deku]

That open letter thing is both self-important and embarrassing.

Seriously, this is pathetic:

Yeah rolleyes as soon as these clowns pull the moral relativism clause.

Oh, it's so awful. We're just like those Arab dictatorships.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Where did I say I had a problem with giving them the 14th?

Well this is the point I've been trying to make. I just can't tell anymore what people complaining about "personhood" are bitching about. Just about everyone gets that campaign finance reform is necessary, but it's really only tangentially related to the whole "personhood" thing. This is why, like I said before, framing it in the "personhood" context is stupid in and of itself because it doesn't actually describe an actual issue.

 

[AVclub]

So this shit was today? Well, thanks assholes...you just cost me $300. I don't work on wall street and can barely get by on what I make. Yet your bullshit prevented me from getting to my ferry on time for a crucial appointment. So instead, I was forced to take a cab 60 miles into NJ which, after tolls and tip cost me $300.

BTW, I bet PirateCon, which was also today, gets more press coverage then your protest.

 

[Deku]

So this shit was today? Well, thanks assholes...you just cost me $300. I don't work on wall street and can barely get by on what I make. Yet your bullshit prevented me from getting to my ferry on time for a crucial appointment. So instead, I was forced to take a cab 60 miles into NJ which, after tolls and tip cost me $300.

BTW, I bet PirateCon, which was also today, gets more press coverage then your protest.

collateral damage for a corporatist stooge. Little Eichmanns and so on.

 

[Bloodbeard]

So this shit was today? Well, thanks assholes...you just cost me $300. I don't work on wall street and can barely get by on what I make. Yet your bullshit prevented me from getting to my ferry on time for a crucial appointment. So instead, I was forced to take a cab 60 miles into NJ which, after tolls and tip cost me $300.

BTW, I bet PirateCon, which was also today, gets more press coverage then your protest.

lol

 

[dave is ok]

Well this is the point I've been trying to make. I just can't tell anymore what people complaining about "personhood" are bitching about. Just about everyone gets that campaign finance reform is necessary, but it's really only tangentially related to the whole "personhood" thing. This is why, like I said before, framing it in the "personhood" context is stupid in and of itself because it doesn't actually describe an actual issue.

It's pretty easy to tell what parts people have problems with. Money isn't free speech

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

It's pretty easy to tell what parts people have problems with. Money isn't free speech

Well that's not a "personhood" issue.

 

[AVclub]

collateral damage for a corporatist stooge. Little Eichmanns and so on.

I don't understand what you just wrote, but it makes me angry.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I don't understand what you just wrote, but it makes me angry.

Look up Ward Churchill. It's a reference to him and some of the massively stupid shit he said. South Park referenced it in the Die Hippie Die episode.

 

[dave is ok]

Well that's not a "personhood" issue.

It's a first amendment thing thats a hotter issue since Citizens United

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

It's a first amendment thing thats a hotter issue since Citizens United

Sure, but like I said, calling it a "personhood" issue shows a lack of education on the issue. It shows you would rather give a reactionary message than a well thought out and on point one.

 

[Riddick]

But I am

Because you're trolling. gtfo

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So this shit was today? Well, thanks assholes...you just cost me $300. I don't work on wall street and can barely get by on what I make. Yet your bullshit prevented me from getting to my ferry on time for a crucial appointment. So instead, I was forced to take a cab 60 miles into NJ which, after tolls and tip cost me $300.

BTW, I bet PirateCon, which was also today, gets more press coverage then your protest.

That fucking sucks. It's going to annoying when some defense forces tells you, oh it's not a big deal compared to some white whine crap.

 

[Slavik81]

It's pretty easy to tell what parts people have problems with. Money isn't free speech

Why focus on corporations then? Are you ok with unlimited contributions from wealthy individuals? Does it really matter if the contribution comes from Bill Gates or whether it comes from Microsoft?

You seem to take issue more with the current interpretation of the first amendment as it relates to campaign financing than with corporate personhood.

 

[dave is ok]

Sure, but like I said, calling it a "personhood" issue shows a lack of education on the issue. It shows you would rather give a reactionary message than a well thought out and on point one.

Well look at who are running these protests. Making a huge issue out of campaign finace instead of the actual unremedied causes of the collapse

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Because you're trolling. gtfo

Nope. It sucks though that these scum are already costing people money for their ego and stupidity.

 

[Bloodbeard]

Well look at who are running these protests. Making a huge issue out of campaign finace instead of the actual unremedied causes of the collapse

Yeah, this is true. I think it will be interesting to see if this protest develops a more sophisticated message in the coming days.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Well look at who are running these protests. Making a huge issue out of campaign finace instead of the actual unremedied causes of the collapse

That's the point! This is stupid because the PEOPLE are stupid. But instead everyone here would rather say that if you don't support these asshats that you are a corporate shill.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Yeah, this is true. I think it will be interesting to see if this protest develops a more sophisticated message in the coming days.

Yeah I kind of doubt that.

 

[Riddick]

Nope. It sucks though that these scum are already costing people money for their ego and stupidity.

Some see you as the scum but they don't spam the forum with it.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Some see you as the scum but they don't spam the forum with it.

Like I care. Lol

 

[Slayven]

I really hate the "if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem" mindset.

 

[Riddick]

Like I care. Lol

You made that perfectly clear when you started spamming the thread with trolls. I didn't want to feed the troll but this is probably the fifth consecutive page you're doing this.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

You made that perfectly clear when you started spamming the thread with trolls. I didn't want to feed the troll but this is probably the fifth consecutive page you're doing this.

Uh huh.

Back to real things instead of dealing with a goof. Anyone else have traffic issues because o the mobile Fulton Fish Market Smell brigade yet?

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Uh huh.

Back to real things instead of dealing with a goof. Anyone else have traffic issues because o the mobile Fulton Fish Market Smell brigade yet?

Yeaaah, at this point you're just being an ass.

 

[Acerac]

Yeaaah, at this point you're just being an ass.

That's pretty much what he does in every thread he posts in.

I like to think that he's actually very supportive of these ideas he fights against so vehemently, and is only playing devil's advocate to keep the thread bumped, thereby bringing more attention to worthy causes.