"OCCUPY WALL STREET"

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who says they need to know the intricacies of the financial system in order to protest? that's ridiculous. no matter how knowledgeable you are on the subject, you're still getting fucked by it. and the people using that as a "point" doesn't know enough about it either, because if they did, they'd want heads to roll and they would support this protest.

even though it'll clog the streets and 95% of the bankers on wall street are relatively innocent, the symbolism behind having it on wall street cannot be denied. a lot of people don't pay attention to such matters at all, so if they hear about a mass protest on wall street, it'll get them to wonder, it becomes part of the mindset.
 
Something Wicked said:
If certain government members, such as Barney Frank, did not initially encourage/threaten the banks to make extremely risky, sub-prime loans, the real-estate bubble never would have happened to the degree it did. That is why Congress isn't going after "the bankers" (as if all banks had equal share in making these bad loans) because many current members of Congress are just as responsible- if not more so.

Government encouragement to make subprime loans /= bundling millions of subprime loans and trading them as crooked securities with crooked backing from Moody's.

Give me a break, dude.
 
I can't believe people are actually speaking AGAINST this protest. It blows my mind. Seriously, I can't fathom why any person in this country would be against this unless you worked on Wall Street or were very rich.

If I was near the area, I'd go. I just don't have the means to be there. Kind of ironic really.
 
Jangocube said:
I can't believe people are actually speaking AGAINST this protest. It blows my mind. Seriously, I can't fathom why any person in this country would be against this unless you worked on Wall Street or were very rich.

If I was near the area, I'd go. I just don't have the means to be there. Kind of ironic really.

Because these people are idiots who have no idea what the hell they are talking about.
 
guess what idiots, i bet a good 75% of the protesters at Tahrir square couldn't tell you the socio-economic and geo political nuances of their conditions, but i sure as fuck can bet that they knew they were being fucked, their way of life was no good, and fuck it they weren't going to take it anymore.


those who are dismissing these protesters as 'idiots who don't know what they're talking about' as you sit in your pompous den of 'enlightenment' are the scum of the fucking earth, because you do understand, but you use that understanding the demean and belittle others.

i don't see you doing SHIT to better our conditions except flex your internet muscles. if i was in NY i'd be right there with them, saying FUCK YOU to you cynical pseudo intellectuals who claim that finally doing something about this situation rather than make platitudes on its inefficacy is stupid.

seriously
 
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Alpha-Bromega said:
guess what idiots, i bet a good 75% of the protesters at Tahrir square couldn't tell you the socio-economic and geo political nuances of their conditions, but i sure as fuck can bet that they knew they were being fucked, their way of life was no good, and fuck it they weren't going to take it anymore.


those who are dismissing these protesters as 'idiots who don't know what they're talking about' as you sit in your pompous den of 'enlightenment' are the scum of the fucking earth, because you do understand, but you use that understanding the demean and belittle others.

i don't see you doing SHIT to better our conditions except flex your internet muscles. if i was in NY i'd be right there with them, saying FUCK YOU to you cynical pseudo intellectuals who claim that finally doing something about this situation rather than make platitudes on its inefficacy is stupid.

seriously

Comparing these losers to actual brave and intelligent people in Tahir Square is really insulting dude.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Very peacefully by the NYPD. Lol

I do not think the socialists realize that most jobs downtown are actually government jobs.





-The banks and rich people are on park avenue.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Comparing these losers to actual brave and intelligent people in Tahir Square is really insulting dude.
Lol don't be a douche, bro.

There's a reason none of the news networks are even touching this story.
 
Lagspike_exe said:
'OccupyWallStreet' has again been deleted from Trending list. Human Rights lol.

I love the internet so much.

No chance that the topic just isn't all that popular on a consistent basis? Plus, twitter owes you nothing.
 
During the riots in England twitter and facebook got heat for being a tool used to incite violence. It wouldn't be that surprising if they were actively deleting those hashtags. More likely though, there is no interest. If they are actively deleting them then that is the same as Google censoring results for China. So yes, it would be a big deal.
 
Rocket Scientist said:
I do not think the haters understand the symbolism here. Occupy Wall Street. But go on and drink your hatorade.
Shitting on the chest of every banks ceo also has symbolism, but in reality it just makes a big mess for everyone.
 
Rocket Scientist said:
During the riots in England twitter and facebook got heat for being a tool used to incite violence. It wouldn't be that surprising if they were actively deleting those hashtags. More likely though, there is no interest. If they are actively deleting them then that is the same as Google censoring results for China. So yes, it would be a big deal.
Maybe no one actually cares.
 
Rocket Scientist said:
Censoring online content is censoring online content. Unless it breaks the law or incites violence, there is no need to censor tweets.

Which apparently Twitter has not done. There is just limited interest in occupying Wall Street on twitter.
 
Rocket Scientist said:
Which is what I said in my earlier post.

Which is why I don't understand why you are making the analogies. If Twitter killed a bunch of hutus they'd be as bad as the Tutsi's!

Ok, I guess that's correct?
 
So, are we chalking this protest up to good idea/poor execution? I agree, like many folks, that some noise has to be made and something has to be done, but it looks like this is the reason why so many folks don't go out and protest. Its not so much apathy or laziness (though I'm certain that plays a part) but rather a lack of a clear voice and direction that can be shaped only by those with a deeper understanding and a charisma that can rally the masses. Likely, there are a lot of folks sympathetic with the sentiment, but not the methods employed.

Contrast this with the tea party, targeting a demographic where looking stupid in public with misdirected anger is not a deterrent, and you'll see why that has caught on a lot quicker than this likely will.

Just my two cents. I'm sure someone on GAF better versed in social political matters will correct me. :P
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Because these people are idiots who have no idea what the hell they are talking about.



Why blame them? It's a complex world out there. A lot of what goes on on Wall St. is super abstract and hardly makes a lick of fucking sense. When it comes to money, people generally know addition and subtraction and that's it. And there has been a shitload of subtraction over the past several years, thus protest. I don't think there's a requirement to sit and study economics and finance before you get pissed off about the financial atmosphere. It's ridiculous all around. I mean, the reaction to Obama's new plan is "it won't get passed so the economy stays in the shitter until the next election." How ass backwards is that? That's symptomatic of an upper crust that just does not give a fuck at all. I would protest on that one fact alone, if I were near there.

Besides, just as there are protesters who don't totally understand what they're protesting, there are people who just kind of love their new corporate overlords...that's a shitload worse, makes you kind of an "uncle tom" to corporations:

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eznark said:
I love the internet so much.

No chance that the topic just isn't all that popular on a consistent basis? Plus, twitter owes you nothing.

No matter how you feel about the cause, Anon has 40,000 twitter followers, they were never going to get a topic trending over 4 million crazed Demi Lovato fans.
 
eznark said:
Which is why I don't understand why you are making the analogies.
I was merely responding to you saying ''Plus, twitter owes you nothing''. They do owe us something, they owes us not to manipulate or distort the reality. Like I said though, I don't think they are doing it in this case. Nobody is talking about this, nobody cares. As evidenced by many people on GAF too.
 
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
No matter how you feel about the cause, Anon has 40,000 twitter followers, they were never going to get a topic trending over 4 million crazed Demi Lovato fans.

There are 9 twitter trend slots (+1 premium). #OccupyWallStreet was beeing tweeted at over 1 tweet per second. That guarantees a trending topic.
 
Lagspike_exe said:
There are 9 twitter trend slots (+1 premium). #OccupyWallStreet was beeing tweeted at over 1 tweet per second. That guarantees a trending topic.

How do you know that for sure?
 
Rocket Scientist said:
I was merely responding to you saying ''Plus, twitter owes you nothing''. They do owe us something, they owes us not to manipulate or distort the reality. Like I said though, I don't think they are doing it in this case. Nobody is talking about this, nobody cares. As evidenced by many people on GAF too.

If they actually were blocking the topic from trending, I'll eat a feast of crow. It's not Twitters fault that Lion King 3d and Good luck Demi Lovato were more important to people yesterday than take back Wall St.
 
How big is this anyway? i mean, if wall st. is truly occupied, then i'll call conspiracy. if it's just a couple hundred people, then meh.

seems like the better timing would be after obama's new plan gets shut down.
 
Rocket Scientist said:
I was merely responding to you saying ''Plus, twitter owes you nothing''. They do owe us something, they owes us not to manipulate or distort the reality. Like I said though, I don't think they are doing it in this case. Nobody is talking about this, nobody cares. As evidenced by many people on GAF too.

No they don't. It'd be moronic business to manipulate stats like that and I would hope all twitter users would abandon them as a result, but they're a private company providing a service for free. They owe you exactly nothing.
 
So what's actually going down right now? I've heard no news on the matter whatsoever. Is this due to a media blackout or has it simply failed to get off the ground? Read a few reports from people last night which said there were only an estimated 2000 people there.
 
A Modest Call to Action on this September 17th

Published 2011-09-18 01:46:38 UTC by agnosticnixie

This statement is ours, and for anyone who will get behind it. Representing ourselves, we bring this call for revolution.

We want freedom for all, without regards for identity, because we are all people, and because no other reason should be needed. However, this freedom has been largely taken from the people, and slowly made to trickle down, whenever we get angry.

Money, it has been said, has taken over politics. In truth, we say, money has always been part of the capitalist political system. A system based on the existence of have and have nots, where inequality is inherent to the system, will inevitably lead to a situation where the haves find a way to rule, whether by the sword or by the dollar.

We agree that we need to see election reform. However, the election reform proposed ignores the causes which allowed such a system to happen. Some will readily blame the federal reserve, but the political system has been beholden to political machinations of the wealthy well before its founding.

We need to address the core facts: these corporations, even if they were unable to compete in the electoral arena, would still remain control of society. They would retain economic control, which would allow them to retain political control. Term limits would, again, not solve this, as many in the political class already leave politics to find themselves as part of the corporate elites.

We need to retake the freedom that has been stolen from the people, altogether.

1.

If you agree that freedom is the right to communicate, to live, to be, to go, to love, to do what you will without the impositions of others, then you might be one of us.
2.

If you agree that a person is entitled to the sweat of their brows, that being talented at management should not entitle others to act like overseers and overlords, that all workers should have the right to engage in decisions, democratically, then you might be one of us.
3.

If you agree that freedom for some is not the same as freedom for all, and that freedom for all is the only true freedom, then you might be one of us.
4.

If you agree that power is not right, that life trumps property, then you might be one of us.
5.

If you agree that state and corporation are merely two sides of the same oppressive power structure, if you realize how media distorts things to preserve it, how it pits the people against the people to remain in power, then you might be one of us.

And so we call on people to act

1.

We call for protests to remain active in the cities. Those already there, to grow, to organize, to raise consciousnesses, for those cities where there are no protests, for protests to organize and disrupt the system.
2.

We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.
3.

We call for the unemployed to volunteer, to learn, to teach, to use what skills they have to support themselves as part of the revolting people as a community.
4.

We call for the organization of people's assemblies in every city, every public square, every township.
5.

We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.

We call for a revolution of the mind as well as the body politic.
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https://occupywallst.org/
 
eznark said:
No they don't. It'd be moronic business to manipulate stats like that and I would hope all twitter users would abandon them as a result, but they're a private company providing a service for free. They owe you exactly nothing.
This is such bullshit. We expect newspapers and services like these to represent the reality as honestly as possible. They owe us the truth and reality. We use their services thinking and believing that they are honest and truthful. They owe it to their users not to manipulate or distort. Plain and simple. Don't be dense just to prove yourself right.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Yeah, they also attempted to protected their nations heritage from looting and destruction, keep the area clean, and were attempting to overthrow a dictatorship.

I doubt many of the squatters coming to Wall Street have as good intentions or morals as those people in Egypt.

You don't get the people above.

You get these
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That image would make sense if it wasn't taken out of context.

Since that picture was from the riots in Vancouver which had nothing to do with protests, anarchy, or anything other then, looting and fucking things up.

But hey, it's a picture on the Internet. Lets post it 100 times instead of formulating a proper argument.
 
Blackface said:
That image would make sense if it wasn't taken out of context.

Since that picture was from the riots in Vancouver which had nothing to do with protests, anarchy, or anything other then, looting and fucking things up.

But hey, it's a picture on the Internet. Lets post it 100 times instead of formulating a proper argument.

That was from the G20 (not G8 as I though) Protests, not Vancouver to the best of my knowledge. You do know that, right?

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL2obIL1ENI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKkLYYczdM&feature=related
Yep it was the G20 Protests in Toronto.
 
Rocket Scientist said:
You edited two things above the word ''EDIT'' to make yourself look smarter and more witty.
Yeah, because I wasn't sure at first a 100%, now I am. Hell, then I was 75% sure. I was just off if it was G8 or G20.

It doesn't change the fact he was wrong.
 
Rocket Scientist said:
This is such bullshit. We expect newspapers and services like these to represent the reality as honestly as possible. They owe us the truth and reality. We use their services thinking and believing that they are honest and truthful. They owe it to their users not to manipulate or distort. Plain and simple. Don't be dense just to prove yourself right.

Entitlement, ho!

If the people involved think twitter is manipulating the stats they should stop using twitter.
 
It's just amusing that you added the ''you know that, right?'' given the fact that even you didn't know for certain at first and had written G8 instead of G20 before the edit.

Eznark, you're just confusing at this point. You think that people using a service doesn't somehow help the service? Does the service have the right to feel entitled to it's own reality and manipulation of facts it provides it's users? Come on man, don't go for snarky remarks like ''entitlement, ho!''.
 
Organizers said the rally was meant to be diverse, and not all of the participants were on the left. Followers of the right-wing figure Lyndon LaRouche formed a choir near Bowling Green and sang “The Star Spangled Banner” and “The Battle Hymn of the Republic.” Nearby, anarchists carried sleeping bags and tents.

Yeah.. No thanks
 
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