cooljeanius
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Well, if this is a failure, then there goes any hope I might have had for a similar event in DC...
"OCCUPY WALL STREET"
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cooljeanius
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Glass-Steagall needs to be reinstatedbrucewaynegretzky said:
Citizens United needs to be overturned
The Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy need to be repealed
brucewaynegretzky
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cooljeanius said:
Protests in DC are generally full of morons. I've spoken to a few of the people who come through here, and read plenty of signs. Most of these people have no clue what they actually want changed. Before anyone calls me a corporate shill, I don't have a problem with protest, but I do have a problem with people claiming something needs to change without having a clue what they're talking about.
JohnTinker
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The organizers of the event created a Facebook poll to let others decide what the main goal was that they wanted to change. I am not making this up.brucewaynegretzky said:
SuperBonk said:
I think the idea to take away from this is that hyperconservative protests like the Tea Party succeed precisely because aging, conservative white people tend to be less informed and/or politically astute than young liberals.* While both groups are embittered, the Tea Party set is completely without cynicism. One only needs to read this thread to know that young liberals (a group most Gaffers would fit under) are highly skeptical of protests like these.
*This is supported by empirical data. Only 34% of Tea Party folks believe that the planet has experienced warming over the past 150 years (this percentage was elicited from a question that very clearly asked whether the planet has warmed regardless of cause). Yet, of all groups surveyed, they believe they are the most informed on the subject. See also: Dunning-Kruger effect.
brucewaynegretzky
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cooljeanius said:
Citizens United has very little to do with actual banking.... Actually it has virtually nothing to do with how your money is managed, and even if that specific decision was overturned it wouldn't really do a whole lot to change how much money could get sent to DC.
cooljeanius
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Link: https://www.facebook.com/questions/10150311631011963/JohnTinker said:
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Funky Papa said:
Well said sir.
"The prospect is for times of turmoil, struggle, but also inspiration. There is a chance that such a movement could succeed in doing what the system itself has never done-bring about great change with little violence. This is possible because the more of the 99 percent that begin to see themselves as sharing needs, the more the guards and the prisoners see their common interest, the more the Establishment becomes isolated, ineffectual."
-Howard Zinn
Its only a matter of time.
cooljeanius
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OK, what about Glass-Steagall though?brucewaynegretzky said:
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cooljeanius said:
Relevant. Never said it wasn't. You think many of those protestors are thinking the same thing?
cheststrongwell
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We would be in a world of hurt if the people they are interviewing on these streams were in charge.
brucewaynegretzky
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Tristam said:
We're more skeptical because, being better informed, we know that there are far better ways to work towards goals like actually trying to get involved with non-profs working towards our goals. Large groups of people shouting incoherently only piss off the local residents.
WanderingWind
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Funky Papa said:
Seriously. It's funny and sad at the same time.
Vicetrailia
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magicstop said:
Well so long as an individuals life is stable and comfortable they won't do anything. It's so sad.
WanderingWind
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ssolitare said:
Eh, it's the same survival mechanism that doesn't cause you to break down in fits over every bad thing that is currently happening in the world.
It's a universal blindspot that the rich and powerful (and most criminals) have been exploiting for generations.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Most them would think it's an evil Wall Street Banking firm. lolbrucewaynegretzky said:
brucewaynegretzky said:
I don't know about that. The Tea Party succeeded magnificently in moving the entire nation rightward in a few short years by being little more than large groups of people shouting incoherently. The big difference is that the movement was orchestrated by Fox News--guaranteeing massive media exposure, thus generating more interest among aging, conservative whites who felt disenfranchised--and the left has no answer to that.
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God damn, this is why I never read the OT forum any more. So many douche bags.jon bones said:
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soultron said:
Have you seen a G8 Summit protest in the last 10 years? Regardless of whatever positive sentiment you have about this protest, the minute some jack ass in a black mask throws a brick or breaks a window, NYPD is going to start wrecking people. This isn't London. We use water cannons and rubber bullets.
I don't disagree with the protest, but I can almost guarantee the anarchists are going to fuck it up for the peaceful protesters. It's Wall Street. They probably have hard ons as we speak.
The guys that are interviewed on the stream seem to have a good look on the situation, not many screaming idiots as far as I can see. I think this is a good initiative, I hope it catches on but I doubt many news channels in the US are going to spent good time on it.SuperBonk said:
EDIT: I can't believe my eyes... FoxNews. I knew they were biased and all but wow, this shit wouldn't fly AT ALL in ANY European country outside of Russia. Jesus Christ.
Something Wicked
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Are they going to protest in front of Bwahney Fwank's house next? I mean- he may be the single most responsible person for this whole recession.
dave is ok
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Speak for yourself.brucewaynegretzky said:
Attitudes like this is why young people have no political power in this country.
So incorrect it's laughable.Something Wicked said:
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Something Wicked said:
Nah, he's a democrat, they're for the people!
Something Wicked
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dave is ok said:
If certain government members, such as Barney Frank, did not initially encourage/threaten the banks to make extremely risky, sub-prime loans, the real-estate bubble never would have happened to the degree it did. That is why Congress isn't going after "the bankers" (as if all banks had equal share in making these bad loans) because many current members of Congress are just as responsible- if not more so.
brucewaynegretzky
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Wazzim said:
He makes a point about their "objectives." Corporate "personhood," as they like to call it, is a VERY complex subject. There are very good reasons we let corporations get limited liability. That FB poll is offensively stupid.
That's a very simple way of putting it. Universal health care is not something that can be done magically, it needs to be planned and implemented correctly. I want people that are highly informed making those decisions. As an aspiring dentist, I can tell you that it's disheartening the way even Medicaid is abused by some people.Tristam said:
Likewise, I know several people who work in finance who have provided far more reasonable opinions than any protester I've ever seen. Of course it gets lost in the Main Street vs. Wall Street (Us vs. Them) mentality.
dave is ok
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That is propaganda. The banks wanted those loans and even pushed for less stringent lending requirements to get them. They made money off of them whether they paid their mortgages or not, it didn't matter to them if they weren't qualified.Something Wicked said:
Fannie and Freddie Mac didn't even get hit as hard as other mortgage banks because being partially owned by the government prohibits them from certain kinds of risk in lending.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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brucewaynegretzky said:
CORPORATE SHILL!!!!!!
lol
brucewaynegretzky
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TheMan said:
We want to encourage entrepreneurship. We don't want to punish every person involved in a business. We want people to be able to invest in new businesses without risking their entire personal wealth. Limited Liability isn't really controversial even with people advocating for legislative action on things like Citizen's United.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I've enjoyed watching you throughout this thread, lol.
Because you're an ass. Because you don't have a solid argument to make, and instead you change tactics and targets. Because you don't have a substantial point. Because you are intimidated or threatened in someway by this activity, strongly enough to be outspokenly against it, outspokenly making fun of it, just plain ol' outspoken, without even being able to make a consistent point, argument, or claim. Get a life and find something to get involved with, or explain why this protest REALLY bothers you without deviating from the argument or changing targets when you are done. Mostly just move on.
brucewaynegretzky
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magicstop said:
Actually what's funnier is everyone here assuming Manos would be against something like more extensive banking reform. I'm all for reform, but these people have shown no evidence of having any clue what they're talking about.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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brucewaynegretzky said:
Thank you.
Alpha-Bromega
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yeah i usually just read Mano's posts in the same way i read JayDubya or SlipperySlope; A malignant but still amusing running gag who serve little to no purpose except to act as hyper contrarian to everything and everyone. You're a joke, dude
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Alpha-Bromega said:
Irony is I actually vote straight Democrat most (95%) of the time. So good analysis there. lol
Alpha-Bromega
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yet you respond nonetheless
SuperBonk said:
Be reasonable: you not only made my post into a strawman, but you also attempted to knock it down with a platitude (who is going to suggest that universal health care needs to be planned and implemented incorrectly?). A look at other countries' histories indicates that a shift to publicly-funded health care system would take roughly a decade.
EDIT: To be clear, I was not implying that a skilled media campaign is enough to create a publicly-funded health care system--because the media obviously aren't the policymakers that determine the details of the system--but it may be enough to create the necessary public demand for such a system.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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As you just did.Alpha-Bromega said:
Whose the fool, the fool, or the fool who follows?
SuperBonk said:
(The following was also edited into my previous post): To be clear, I was not implying that a skilled media campaign is enough to create a publicly-funded health care system--because the media obviously aren't the policymakers that determine the details of the system--but it may be enough to create the necessary public demand for such a system.
Maybe I'm the one who misunderstood you, but I don't disagree that there is room for failure in planning or implementing a publicly-funded healthcare system.
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