"OCCUPY WALL STREET"

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Kevitivity said:
America ALREADY has some of the highest corporate tax rates in the world (see the CBO or Wikipedia). If anything, we need to simplify tax code, get rid of the loopholes, and lower taxes.
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We have one of the highest corporate tax rates that no corporation actually pays.
 
Nobody in thread is actually against the protests right? I mean, we can laugh at the hipsters, debate the methods, and argue whether the police are in the right or not. But at the core of it, these guys are doing the right thing in my eyes. Something that I don't have the initiative to do myself, so I guess I commend them for actually going through with it.
 
Calcaneus said:
Nobody in thread is actually against the protests right? I mean, we can laugh at the hipsters, debate the methods, and argue whether the police are in the right or not. But at the core of it, these guys are doing the right thing in my eyes. Something that I don't have the initiative to do myself, so I guess I commend them for actually going through with it.
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Some might be against protesting as a rule. I can't speak for everyone, but certainly as one of the posters who have been very critical, I'm in favour of protests.

I'm just against the wasted opportunity and mixed messanging, even if we allow for the fact that the anti-capitalists don't represent a majority.

As I was getting coffee this morning, I was mulling over what sort of slogans they could rally around that wouldn't be classified as too vague and too idealistic and the slogans could be around

-Attacking the far-right/Tea Party for the downgrade
-Attacking Tea Party politics for attempting to deny healhcare to poor people
-Asking for government to support young people to provide more opportunities and jobs

Those would be broad, reflective of the plight of youth and actually help the Democrats in power.

But as with most lefty protests when a Democrat is in office, they don't coalesce around a single right wing movement to attack/, and instead make vague anti-capitalist arguments and broad poverty themed activist protests asking for 'end to hunger' and all that.
 
Deku said:
Some might be against protesting as a rule. I can't speak for everyone, but certainly as one of the posters who have been very critical, I'm in favour of protests.

I'm just against the wasted opportunity and mixed messanging, even if we allow for the fact that the anti-capitalists don't represent a majority.

As I was getting coffee this morning, I was mulling over what sort of slogans they could rally around that wouldn't be classified as too vague and too idealistic and the slogans could be around

-Attacking the far-right/Tea Party for the downgrade
-Attacking Tea Party politics for attempting to deny healhcare to poor people
-Asking for government to support young people to provide more opportunities and jobs

Those would be broad, reflective of the plight of youth and actually help the Democrats in power.

But as with most lefty protests when a Democrat is in office, they don't coalesce around a single right wing movement to attack/, and instead make vague anti-capitalist arguments and broad poverty themed activist protests asking for 'end to hunger' and all that.
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But see, as somebody who dislikes the Democrats as well, I still support these protests because of the rampant corporatism. That's not something that the Democrats are against. Making this seem like it's just "left vs right" only alienates those who don't consider themselves a warrior for either side.

I agree that the people saying "end capitalizm" and "end world hunger" and so on aren't helping, but I think you have to have a broad statement here because the point is that a LOT of people are angry about various things.
 
derp! well i'll skate by and see what happens - maybe i'll get pleasantly surprised. it's literally a stone's throw away from my office.
 
Stet said:
Was the Radiohead show ever on? Sounds like one of the protest organizers just made it up.
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probably. im sure it got a ton of people to come at the site too as well as increase awareness for it.

those sneaky protesters...got the minds of advertising execs
 
http://gothamist.com/2011/09/30/live_video_stream_will_radiohead_sh.php

Update 3:55 p.m.: Protesters can be heard chanting, "If you're just here for the band, go home," and "Come to the march it's more important then radiohead."
Update 4:00 p.m.: They're clearing out space for the band now, and people are starting to get louder.
Update 4:02 p.m.: Organizers have now asked everyone to sit down...
Update 4:10 p.m.: Organizers just made an announcement: they are not sure if Radiohead are coming, but they are preparing in case they do. On the plus side, there's a lot of solid call-and-response chanting happening. But be prepared to wait until the March to 1 Police Plaza at 5:30 p.m., when you can take your frustration out on The Man!
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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/30/confusion-on-possible-surprise-radiohead-show-downtown/

Updated, 3:55 p.m. | Laura Eldeiry, a spokeswoman for Radiohead, said that the band would not be playing a show at Zuccotti Park on Friday that had been announced by Occupy Wall Street’s organizers.

“It’s definitely not going to happen,” Ms. Eldeiry said. “It’s a false rumor.” She said that the band had nothing to do with the announcement and that a show “was never planned.”

At 3:30 p.m., Occupy Wall Street’s spokesman, Patrick Bruner, sent out a rueful e-mail blast: “I got hoaxed. Radiohead was never confirmed. Completely our fault. Apologies. The band were victims in this hoax as well.”
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So what the hell happened?
 
According to local news (NY 4), the Radiohead thing turned out to be a massive troll. Albeit a successful one, as there are now over a thousand people at Zucotti park. Also, the New York Transit union is going to be joining the protest! For those that were looking for more organization, here it is. Talk about solidarity. Lastly, the protesters are about to march down to the police precinct to protest the use of pepper spray over the weekend.
 
kame-sennin said:
According to local news (NY 4), the Radiohead thing turned out to be a massive troll. Albeit a successful one, as there are now over a thousand people at Zucotti park. Also, the New York Transit union is going to be joining the protest! For those that were looking for more organization, here it is. Talk about solidarity. Lastly, the protesters are about to march down to the police precinct to protest the use of pepper spray over the weekend.
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Wouldn't those trolled into appearing be pissed at the organizers?
 
coldvein said:
it's spreading? ohhhh shit manos look out, yr gonna have veggie pizza eating hippies in ya backyard soon.
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Wouldn't those trolled into appearing be pissed at the organizers?
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To be fair the organizers said "if you are only here for Radiohead, gtfo", didn't they?
 
elrechazao said:
I have my slayer tapes ready.
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Great.. all we need now is a black person who can sacrifice himself in case something goes wrong.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
How did that episode end though? lol
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Manos was able to disperse the hippies and then got to drive his Tonka radio-controlled play bulldozer around the school parking lot.
 
cooljeanius said:
The DC version of this event is taking place tomorrow at McPherson Square:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/Protesters-Plan-to-Occupy-McPherson-Square-209078-1.html
I won't be going to it because TEDxGWU is also tomorrow, and I'd rather go to that.
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An OccupyDC.org website sheds little light on the group but posts ad hoc meeting notes and "general conclusions," including the group's objective: "Despite having other issues on the agenda our main message is to repeal corporate personhood and in particular [the] Citizens United" Supreme Court ruling.

An internal memo obtained by the news website DCist.com sheds some light on why protesters chose McPherson Square in Northwest Washington. "Located on K Street, the Square is the epicenter of the problem in D.C.: Corporate Money and influence in our politics, the income disparity, the lack of political equality in the system, and the gridlock which prevents our leaders from enacting the structural change to protect our society for future generations," the memo reads.
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Sounds organized.

Can we get a thread title change; "OCCUPY WALL STREET/K STREET"? In my opinion, this is actually a bigger move than the Wall Street protest. The financial sector is just one facet of government/oligarchical corruption. But K Street is the nexus through which all money flows from business to Congress; Wall Street, private prisons, defense contractors, health insurance companies, ect. It's really interesting the way this once small, disorganized protest is spinning out and growing to address the out of control corruption in our country.

Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Wouldn't those trolled into appearing be pissed at the organizers?
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I wonder. Due to the fanbase, it's probably a mix of people who agree with the protest and don't mind being there along with people who are purely fans of the band raging about the bait and switch. Not sure I approve of the tactic myself.
 
I don't really understand how twitter works, but here's what I found:

@radiohead Radiohead
We wish the best of luck to the protesters there, but contrary to earlier rumours, we will not be appearing today at #occupywallstreet
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Gothamist Gothamist
#occupywallstreet now chanting "come to the march is more important than radiohead," "if you're just here for the band, go home!"
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I wonder what this is about:

OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall Street
Radiohead is not coming, we were hoaxed. Please accept our apologies
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kame-sennin said:
I wonder. Due to the fanbase, it's probably a mix of people who agree with the protest and don't mind being there along with people who are purely fans of the band raging about the bait and switch. Not sure I approve of the tactic myself.
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I dunno myself. To an extent some may stay and some may by pissed at being lied to and then getting told to Gtfo. Can't tell which group is the majority. Plus it makes the organizers look either incompetent or like liars. Neither of which is good.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I dunno myself. To an extent some may stay and some may by pissed at being lied to and then getting told to Gtfo. Can't tell which group is the majority. Plus it makes the organizers look either incompetent or like liars. Neither of which is good.
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Indeed. I imagine we'll know by tomorrow how many people chose to stay.
 
coldvein said:
they look like real assholes, don't they?
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Potentially that, but I think questions about competency and truthfulness are the bigger potential threats. It allows people to say (reasonably so) how can we trust statements on numbers, interactions with police, and goals or plans.

kame-sennin said:
Indeed. I imagine we'll know by tomorrow how many people chose to stay.
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That will be the key question, but only if you determine who came the night before and/or due to Radiohead, which could be hard by itself.
 
bill gonorrhea said:
I bought 3oz of gold when it was $643/oz. Now it's what $1700/oz. Just sayin
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Thank you, Glen Beck! Do you have your food insurance, too?
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Potentially that, but I think questions about competency and truthfulness are the bigger potential threats. It allows people to say (reasonably so) how can we trust statements on numbers, interactions with police, and goals or plans.
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you are as cold as ice, my friend.
 
Expect to be hearing about a couple of Marine vets in uniform standing between the cops and protesters: "Calling all Military Veterans of Reddit. We took an oath to protect the people and the constitution of the United States of America. Meet me on Wall St."
theenemywasme said:
I'm heading up there tonight in my dress blues. So far, 15 of my fellow marine buddies are meeting me there, also in Uniform.

I want to send the following message to Wall St and Congress:

I didn't fight for Wall St. I fought for America. Now it's Congress' turn.

My true hope, though, is that we Veterans canact as first line of defense between the police and the protester. If they want to get to some protesters so they can mace them, they will have to get through the Fucking Marine Corps first. Let's see a cop mace abunch of decorated war vets.

I apologize now for typos and errors. Typing this on iPhone whilst heading to NYC. We can organize once we're there. That's what we do best. If you see someone in uniform, gather together.

A formation will be held tonight at 10PM.

We all took an oath to uphold, protect and defend the constitution of this country. That's what we will be doing.

Hope to see you there

Edit:

I'm no longer in active duty or in any way contractually indebted to the military. Nor are any of my friends that are joining me.

To the officers' of this thread: I'm aware of the potential, maybe inevitable trouble I can get in. So too are my friends.

I don't really care about the debate here, the upvotes, the downvotes or anything in here really. Mental masturbation is awesome and all. But fucking hell people get off reddit and do something about it. The decision is made. I just figured reddit to be a useful tool to get the attention of a good amount of veterans.
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El Sloth said:
Expect to be hearing about a couple of Marine vets in uniform standing between the cops and protesters: "Calling all Military Veterans of Reddit. We took an oath to protect the people and the constitution of the United States of America. Meet me on Wall St."
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I think it's worth mentioning that many cops are also ex military so this us vs them comes off a bit silly.

That said if this isn't reddit bullshit, there could be some really ugly things potentially. It will be funny to see some of the protestors react to people in full Marine Uniform and not shout crap at em.
 
Saw this in the reddit comments

b. Former Members of the Armed Forces. Unless qualified under another provision of this Order or under the provisions of 10 U.S.C. 772, former members who served honorably during a declared or undeclared war and whose most recent service was terminated under honorable conditions may wear the uniform in the highest grade held during such war service only upon the following occasions and in the course of travel incident thereto:

(1) Military funerals, memorial services, weddings, and inaugurals.

(2) Parades on national or state holidays; or other parades or ceremonies of a patriotic character in which any active or reserve United States military unit are taking part. ‘Wearing of the uniform or any part thereof at any other time or for any purpose is prohibited.’
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Dont know what a punishment would be but it looks like he could get in trouble for wearing his uniform.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I think it's worth mentioning that many cops are also ex military so this us vs them comes off a bit silly.

That said if this isn't reddit bullshit, there could be some really ugly things potentially. It will be funny to see some of the protestors react to people in full Marine Uniform and not shout crap at em.
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There are provisions against protesting in military dress if youre still in but there have been anti-War protesters who had no problems standing with soldiers who joined their demonstration. You're caught on your preconceived notions of these protestors, and possibly conflating them with the fictional anti-Vietnam spitting hippies of old.

Why do you not only see the worst in these kids but want the worst to happen to them out there? Wishing for more conflict even. Is this thread your mini-protest?
 
nateeasy said:
Saw this in the reddit comments



Dont know what a punishment would be but it looks like he could get in trouble for wearing his uniform.
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Who are we talking about here?
 
akira28 said:
There are provisions against protesting in military dress if youre still in but there have been anti-War protesters who had no problems standing with soldiers who joined their demonstration.
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What if they aren't anti-war?


You're caught on your preconceived notions of these protestors, and possibly conflating them with the fictional anti-Vietnam spitting hippies of old.
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Except they weren't fictional.

Why do you not only see the worst in these kids but want the worst to happen to them out there? Wishing for more conflict even. Is this thread your mini-protest?
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I never said I wanted conflict.
 
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