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Official 24 Day 4: 1:00AM-2:00AM Thread
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An all around enjoyable episode, but where do they find these agents? The red-shirt factory? Just once I'd like to see a few of these guys put up a fight, rather then walk into the immediate path of the closest enemy bullet.
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Yeah Chloe has got to be my favourite "new school" character on the show. This episode's conclusion just cemented the fact. 
Holy shit, that Chloe scene was awesome! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time! :lol
It was a very nice episode:
- Nice club action
- Marwan's Osama Tape. I think we will see more of the tape at a later time.
- The return of Palmer
- Chloe action
- And a fucking create promo!
It was a very nice episode:
- Nice club action
- Marwan's Osama Tape. I think we will see more of the tape at a later time.
- The return of Palmer
- Chloe action
- And a fucking create promo!
Remember! Those Korean guys were already working with the Arab guys in the second season! Remember the first scene of season 2! They were torturing a Korean guy! OMG!
Jack vs Kim Dae Jung in the two hour season finale! :lol
Jack vs Kim Dae Jung in the two hour season finale! :lol
This episode was generally good and all, and the Chloe parts were fantastic. Her mowing down the terrorist? Fantastic stuff.
But the rest was leagues of "meh" for me. While it's one of the coolest closing 10 seconds of the show in quite some time, the rest wasn't overly interesting, and I am admittedly still bitter about the shitty over-characterization of Logan. They spent three episodes establishing his stupidity, when it should have taken one. It was overdone and seemed more contrived than 24's characterization usually is.
Although my mother attempted to protest, I refused to watch the preview. So, thanks for the spoiler tags, I really appreciate it.
But the rest was leagues of "meh" for me. While it's one of the coolest closing 10 seconds of the show in quite some time, the rest wasn't overly interesting, and I am admittedly still bitter about the shitty over-characterization of Logan. They spent three episodes establishing his stupidity, when it should have taken one. It was overdone and seemed more contrived than 24's characterization usually is.
Although my mother attempted to protest, I refused to watch the preview. So, thanks for the spoiler tags, I really appreciate it.
I hate how every agent that isn't Jack, Curtis, or Tony get iced in a second. When any of them take a squad out, you know some of them are dying. How'd that one lone terrorist off both CTU agents so easily? Aren't they supposed to be highly trained? But ya, great episode. Go go Jack Bauer.
But ya, great episode. Go go Jack Bauer.Memles said:
Well, one person really can do a lot of stupid stuff over the course of three hours before they realize what an ass they're being.
And as for a rationalization for the sake of rationalization of Chloe's team being slaughtered: maybe they were really slacking, thinking they were just on a babysitting mission if Chloe was leading it. As for Jack's redshirts, maybe they always think that Jack is so badass that he can pick up the slack for them and that they're perfectly safe.
God's Hand
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Another fucking awesome episode... it just keeps getting better and better!
YES!
That was nice.
This season's pacing has been generally good - and it should be a great ending!
It was kinda dumb though. It took Choloe about 5 minutes to get from her desk at CTU to that girl's house. And, when she needed help, they told her it would be there in 10 minutes. WTF? And seriously, send more backup!!!! Or just get someone to bring the LAPTOP back to CTU. UASFLKSJAFKLSDF
Ah well, at least they sent a bulletproof car
andthebeatgoeson
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So, if I'm loving this season and haven't seen any of the others, should I just drop the $120 and pick up the 1st 3 seasons? Blockbuster only let's you pick up 3 episodes; well, you can pick up all of them...if they are there. One season would be hard enough. I got the feeling I'll love the DVDs. Damn, I don't need another expense. I'm trying to go to Miami.
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I was really impressed by how she let off like 30 bullets instead of being all screamy and girly about it. she really iced that scumbag guy!
That guy going nuts on the car with a normal gun, then a shotgun, then that other car was totally awesome as well.
I was nearly biting my hands while that dribbly president fucked about as well. "I didn't mean for that to happen!"
That guy going nuts on the car with a normal gun, then a shotgun, then that other car was totally awesome as well.
I was nearly biting my hands while that dribbly president fucked about as well. "I didn't mean for that to happen!"
Agent Dormer
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Hey, dudes,
I was told by a friend (who confirmed other 24 stuff this season) that they are indeed Chinese, not Korean, fyi.
When are CTU gonna sack Castle? The mans incompetance knows no bounds, he and his crack squad of losers and the mentally challenged have been responsible for every single operational failure so far. Even the one thing they did right, bursting into a shop full of mercenaries and managing to not shoot the civilians they, failed to check their kills and secure the weapons and got paul paralysed.
This week when the fucktard general, Castle, needs to quickly find some cover, he darts IN FRONT OF A CAR..WHAT ARE YOU THINKING MAN, THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HIDE BEHIND SOMETHING WHEN A CAR IS COMING. NO A WIRE MESH FENCE DOES NOT COUNT YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
I dont know why Jack is blaming the secret service, he should be bitch slapping Castle round the parking lot.
And how come every single CTU security team gets killed by a single attacker...are they that poorly trained? You'd think after the first 5 teams got shot they'd be on their guard, expecting someone to attack, but no, they didnt even watch the door this week, let alone outside, or the informant.
This week when the fucktard general, Castle, needs to quickly find some cover, he darts IN FRONT OF A CAR..WHAT ARE YOU THINKING MAN, THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HIDE BEHIND SOMETHING WHEN A CAR IS COMING. NO A WIRE MESH FENCE DOES NOT COUNT YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
I dont know why Jack is blaming the secret service, he should be bitch slapping Castle round the parking lot.
And how come every single CTU security team gets killed by a single attacker...are they that poorly trained? You'd think after the first 5 teams got shot they'd be on their guard, expecting someone to attack, but no, they didnt even watch the door this week, let alone outside, or the informant.
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every show needs there inept guards. howelse they gonna do it?
catfish said:
But most shows dont use the same set up 6 or 7 times in one series (countless number of times over the course of the show) and have the same inept fucktard messing up over and over again with no punishment.
Why was he dressed in full siege gear anyway? He was just supposed to sneak in the back, he could have done that in civillian clothes.
suaveric said:
A giant, CONTRIVED shootout. At least get the terminology down.
Really, "Detective-Like" is probably an apt description...there has indeed been much more on the intelligence front this time around. In the first three seasons, we were dealing with threats that weren't nearly as vague, or where small leads were unimportant. Season One was a localized threat to specific persons, Season Two was a giant "OMG TEH BOMB" plot with little in the way of intelligence and more in the way of "Holy crap, there's a bomb" and Season Three had a combination of undercover work and a visible threat.
Here, it has indeed been one big mystery. While Season Two had its mystery, I'm hoping this one pays off better than Season Two's...I'd already argue that this season is spiraling into contrivance and downright lunacy, but with a good conclusion it can rise again.
:lol :lol :lolMIMIC said:
seriously, for some reason, a 24 season is best reviewed in retrospect, if you analyze each episode you could pick it apart. As a whole season it always looks better. I didn't like season 3 as much when I was watching it show to show, but the season comes out much better in retrospect, having seen the whole season. I think up until Paul got shot, we can all agree the show was stellar, after that, it went into a slow period like all seasons do. However I think this season will finish with a bang and I could give a damn about 3 minute drives. I care less about the time aspect , more about the overall package
Just watched this episode. I don't like to exaggerate so I'll just say that this was the greatest piece of television that has ever or will ever be created for as long as we have television or holograms or whatever comes after that, I don't know.
I watch Alias so the fact that 24 is not on like Tom Clancy levels of reality is fine by me. If Jack had grown wings and fought the stealth plane with his hands I'd be alright with that as long as it looked cool. The bottom line is that you can call the show Twenty-Contrived-Four if you want to as long as you get Chloe shooting the shit out of more people!
That was the best ending of a show ever that didn't have Tony showing up to kill people. Maybe they're tied. I was sure they were sending Chloe off to die since she was going into the field with some CTU redshirts, but then she turned into Rambo. She's cute, she can run encryption algorithms in her head and she's got an M4. I say next season they drop all of this CTU/president/whatever crap and Jack and Chloe just go door-to-door kicking terrorists' asses vigilante style. Better yet just have 24 hours of Chloe shooting people. I'm there for that.
I'm gonna go watch the last five minutes on a loop until tonight's episode.
Note to people who like to complain that 24 is "spiraling out of control": No, you're spiriling out of control. That's right, I said it. You want a piece of this?
I watch Alias so the fact that 24 is not on like Tom Clancy levels of reality is fine by me. If Jack had grown wings and fought the stealth plane with his hands I'd be alright with that as long as it looked cool. The bottom line is that you can call the show Twenty-Contrived-Four if you want to as long as you get Chloe shooting the shit out of more people!
That was the best ending of a show ever that didn't have Tony showing up to kill people. Maybe they're tied. I was sure they were sending Chloe off to die since she was going into the field with some CTU redshirts, but then she turned into Rambo. She's cute, she can run encryption algorithms in her head and she's got an M4. I say next season they drop all of this CTU/president/whatever crap and Jack and Chloe just go door-to-door kicking terrorists' asses vigilante style. Better yet just have 24 hours of Chloe shooting people. I'm there for that.
I'm gonna go watch the last five minutes on a loop until tonight's episode.
Note to people who like to complain that 24 is "spiraling out of control": No, you're spiriling out of control. That's right, I said it. You want a piece of this?
the last two minutes of last week's episode were fucking hilarious. seriously. funniest shit ever from all 4 seasons. i couldn't stop laughing for 5 minutes straight
at the same time, it was kinda of a nod to 24 fans too. i remember in one of the interviews where the producers said they gonna try to get chloe to do something out of the ordinary...i guess that was it
at the same time, it was kinda of a nod to 24 fans too. i remember in one of the interviews where the producers said they gonna try to get chloe to do something out of the ordinary...i guess that was it
Look, I'm not arguing lunacy in terms of nitpicky technical details. I'm simply saying that there are logical decisions that are being entirely ignored in situations where they would NOT be ignored purely for dramatic purposes. While the show definitely creates truth to fit their universe and to fit plot points, it is the characterization that is falling apart.
The entire President Logan characterization was a joke. It was a caricature; by the end of the first couple of scenes with Logan, it was already clear. He was a nervous imbecile vice-president who had no idea how to run a country...the anti-Cheney. Fine: This isn't too far-fetched. But, we didn't need 2-3 entire episodes where he played this part. We didn't need to see him making a complete ass out of himself. All we needed was one scene, where he makes a bad decision in the field, and then breaks down and asks for help. We didn't need CTU to question his abilities every five seconds. We didn't need 15 shots of Mike looking worried. We sure as hell didn't need for Jack to not even TELL the President that Marwan was manipulating them through an aid organization; that information would have actually forced a scene where he really considered his options, rather than being Mr. Dithers.
I don't like that 24 introduced a character as a contrived, one-dimensional mess purely to force Palmer back into the storyline. They can stretch reality all they want, but to throw Palmer back into it by creating the most idiotic vice-president in history? It doesn't work for me, at all.
I'm not overly annoyed be Chloe in the field...of course, they could have sent someone for the computer and not tried to hack it on-site (Would make a helluva lot more sense) but they wanted to get Chloe in the field to shoot people and it was a cool moment for the public. It still doesn't make sense for it to have occured, and in all honesty it was more or less a contrived "GO CHLOE" moment. I'll take that over a completely contrived character any day, but it still isn't exactly storytelling.
Someone said above that as a whole the seasons tend to come together better...and you're half right. On one hand, yes; taken as a whole, Season 3 really does come together very well as a long-term story arc surrounding the virus. On the other hand...it's hard for some seasons to come together in their latter halves. For instance, Season 2 nosedived once the bomb went off. Sure, there were problems before that (See: Kim) but afterwards it never WENT anywhere. There were really no answers to speak of, it ended in a cliffhanger that hasn't been resolved, and it really never came back from its slow points.
This season was very good through the first half, you're right. It seemed grounded, focused, and with a strong terrorist threat as its centre. But...now it HAS spiralled into contrivance.
1. Train Derailment
2. Kidnapping of the Secretary of Defence
3. Nuclear Power Plant Meltdown
Here is where I think the logical threat really began to end. Because, while a train derailment, a kidnapping and a meltdown are all strong terrorist threats, they are also all major plot points. But then...
4. Hijacked Stealth Fighter Shoots Down Air Force One
5. Recovery of the Nuclear Football
6. Fire Nuclear Warhead against United States
Here's the big issue for me...this could have been an entire fucking season! It's very clear to me that in planning this season, they didn't plan out long story-arcs. They recognized that these created slow points and decided that they'd simply create a rapid, nonstop motion of terrorist attack after terrorist attack. And, do you know what? It's bullshit. Season 1 was about the kidnapping of Jack's Family because of the Drazen incident. Season 2 was about the threat of a nuclear bomb. Season 3 was about the threat of a virus.
Season 4 is about the threat of the fucking apocalypse. While this may seem "Cool", "Awesome" and "Wicked Awesome", it's also creating a clusterfuck of epic proportions. When you view THIS season as a whole, you see that it is a complete and total contrivance to believe that in the span of 24 hours terrorists could plan all of this...and what'd the end-game? The first three pointed to the nuclear reactors being the end-game...but no! There's then Air Force One...and now nuclear missiles. So why not just do that? It would have been far less suspicious, and you'd have a much better chance of succeeding without the authorities tracking you down for the earlier attacks.
I know that there are episodes remaining; I know that they will feature exciting action, gripping drama, and plenty of death and destruction. But, when I look on the season as a whole...it's a fucking mess. I think 24 has gone mainstream...Season 1's isolated, intriguing and gripping storyline has been replaced by a storyline of "OMG THE TERRORISTS ARE ATTACKING LET'S KILL PEOPLE!". Season 2 was bad enough...but this is an even greater departure from Season 1. And that...is not a good thing.
The entire President Logan characterization was a joke. It was a caricature; by the end of the first couple of scenes with Logan, it was already clear. He was a nervous imbecile vice-president who had no idea how to run a country...the anti-Cheney. Fine: This isn't too far-fetched. But, we didn't need 2-3 entire episodes where he played this part. We didn't need to see him making a complete ass out of himself. All we needed was one scene, where he makes a bad decision in the field, and then breaks down and asks for help. We didn't need CTU to question his abilities every five seconds. We didn't need 15 shots of Mike looking worried. We sure as hell didn't need for Jack to not even TELL the President that Marwan was manipulating them through an aid organization; that information would have actually forced a scene where he really considered his options, rather than being Mr. Dithers.
I don't like that 24 introduced a character as a contrived, one-dimensional mess purely to force Palmer back into the storyline. They can stretch reality all they want, but to throw Palmer back into it by creating the most idiotic vice-president in history? It doesn't work for me, at all.
I'm not overly annoyed be Chloe in the field...of course, they could have sent someone for the computer and not tried to hack it on-site (Would make a helluva lot more sense) but they wanted to get Chloe in the field to shoot people and it was a cool moment for the public. It still doesn't make sense for it to have occured, and in all honesty it was more or less a contrived "GO CHLOE" moment. I'll take that over a completely contrived character any day, but it still isn't exactly storytelling.
Someone said above that as a whole the seasons tend to come together better...and you're half right. On one hand, yes; taken as a whole, Season 3 really does come together very well as a long-term story arc surrounding the virus. On the other hand...it's hard for some seasons to come together in their latter halves. For instance, Season 2 nosedived once the bomb went off. Sure, there were problems before that (See: Kim) but afterwards it never WENT anywhere. There were really no answers to speak of, it ended in a cliffhanger that hasn't been resolved, and it really never came back from its slow points.
This season was very good through the first half, you're right. It seemed grounded, focused, and with a strong terrorist threat as its centre. But...now it HAS spiralled into contrivance.
1. Train Derailment
2. Kidnapping of the Secretary of Defence
3. Nuclear Power Plant Meltdown
Here is where I think the logical threat really began to end. Because, while a train derailment, a kidnapping and a meltdown are all strong terrorist threats, they are also all major plot points. But then...
4. Hijacked Stealth Fighter Shoots Down Air Force One
5. Recovery of the Nuclear Football
6. Fire Nuclear Warhead against United States
Here's the big issue for me...this could have been an entire fucking season! It's very clear to me that in planning this season, they didn't plan out long story-arcs. They recognized that these created slow points and decided that they'd simply create a rapid, nonstop motion of terrorist attack after terrorist attack. And, do you know what? It's bullshit. Season 1 was about the kidnapping of Jack's Family because of the Drazen incident. Season 2 was about the threat of a nuclear bomb. Season 3 was about the threat of a virus.
Season 4 is about the threat of the fucking apocalypse. While this may seem "Cool", "Awesome" and "Wicked Awesome", it's also creating a clusterfuck of epic proportions. When you view THIS season as a whole, you see that it is a complete and total contrivance to believe that in the span of 24 hours terrorists could plan all of this...and what'd the end-game? The first three pointed to the nuclear reactors being the end-game...but no! There's then Air Force One...and now nuclear missiles. So why not just do that? It would have been far less suspicious, and you'd have a much better chance of succeeding without the authorities tracking you down for the earlier attacks.
I know that there are episodes remaining; I know that they will feature exciting action, gripping drama, and plenty of death and destruction. But, when I look on the season as a whole...it's a fucking mess. I think 24 has gone mainstream...Season 1's isolated, intriguing and gripping storyline has been replaced by a storyline of "OMG THE TERRORISTS ARE ATTACKING LET'S KILL PEOPLE!". Season 2 was bad enough...but this is an even greater departure from Season 1. And that...is not a good thing.
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Memles: While I think you're being a bit of a drama queen, I'm still glad you're finally seeing things my way.
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24 rocks!
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24 rocks!
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You could continue to pursue your fledgling (burgeoning?) playwriting career!
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Hey, I know many a playwright who's built a successful career on bitching. Perspicacious, thought-provoking bitching, but bitching nonetheless. Always makes for an entertaining evening of theater. Well, not always, but... er, better than living room plays!
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