Official Apr NBA 2008 Season Thread Of SAVE OUR SONICS; Fire Stern; Fire Avery

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commish said:
His statement about Paul not having the players around him that Kobe has is certainly debatable, but i've discussed that enough times in the past (and Kobe has the better case).
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Well, one of the teams had two All-Stars this year, and it wasn't the Lakers.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
I usually don't get into Kobe Bryant rape discussions/arguments but for you I'll make an exception.

To assume that Kobe Bryant RAPED, not had sex with the "victim" is just that--an ASSUMPTION. None of us were there, so none of us know.

What we DO know is:
-The semen of other men was found in the panties that the girl had on the night of the alleged crime.
-She was more anxious to settle as she was not interested in testifying. Wouldn't you want to see the person who commited such a terrible violation of you go to jail? Would money be enough?

Wait, before you answer that with, oh Kobe had money and she would have never won, blah, blah,blah, let's think back on another athlete who had tremedous amounts of money and was accused of rape--Mike Tyson.

Did his victim take the money and run? No. She pressed charges to the point that it went to trial and Tyson was CONVICTED and SENT TO PRISON.

Faber could always have gotten money in the long run, (writing books, making appearances on talk shows, suing Kobe in a civil trial) AFTER sending this to trial and showing enough evidence to CONVICT him.

But she didn't.

She took the money and ran.

So based on everything I've just mentioned, (that are fact, not an ASSumption of guilt) there is no validity to your statement.
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You dont' settle criminal cases. She didn't "take the money and run", because that's not allowed in a criminal trial. You can't go to a defendant and say "pay me and i'll drop the charges." It's up to the state to decide if they prosecute Kobe or not. In this case, the woman refused to testify (if my memory serves me correctly), so the prosecution decided they didn't have enough other evidence to go after Kobe so they dropped the charges.

Now, you can assume that perhaps the two sides had a deal in place under the table: "refuse to testify, and we'll make nice in the civil suit." But we have no evidence of that and would just be an assumption on your part.

Furthermore, there are a litany of reasons why she would want to back out of the criminal case, reasons that have nothing to do with money. Would you want your life destroyed in public? Your name dragged through the mud? Humiliated? Doubted? It's so impossible to prove a rape case, most often the women don't even report it or if so, eventually refuse to testify. It was probably a traumatic experience for her and she didn't want it to go on for a year and in public. Perhaps she WAS in it for the money - we don't know, and that would be a wild assumption, and assumptions are what you criticized Jeff for.

For you to say that she "took the money and ran" is ignorant and pretty insulting to her, actually.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
Paul made West an all-star. Let's be honest.
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Come on, we have no evidence of that.

If West averaged 10 ppg for 4 years before Paul came, then I would agree. Both developed together. Would you say Stockton made Malone a HOFer? Maybe, maybe not - he at least made him BETTER but I think Malone (and west) would be pretty good regardless.

BTW, in no way am I saying that West = Malone, or that Paul = Stockton, for that matter. Paul's a better scorer :p
 
IIRC, a big part of why the woman refused to testify is that the defense shredded the prosecution's case in every hearing. It was looking pretty dismal for the prosecution if that case ever went to trial.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Sometimes you get the calls and sometimes you don't. Get over it.
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The problem is the refs make these horrible calls and nothing comes of it. Look at the NFL. They have teams of people anaylizing every call the officials make and giving them feedback. On top of that they have instant replay to make sure they get it right. This is how a legitimate sport reacts to a problem with officiating. There is nothing even remotely similar in the NBA. How else would a guy with ties to the mob, gambling debts and a history of violence still be calling PLAYOFF games. Rather than work to fix it the NBAs solution is similar to what the catholic church did when they found out priests were molesting kids.
 
commish said:
You dont' settle criminal cases. She didn't "take the money and run", because that's not allowed in a criminal trial. You can't go to a defendant and say "pay me and i'll drop the charges." It's up to the state to decide if they prosecute Kobe or not. In this case, the woman refused to testify (if my memory serves me correctly), so the prosecution decided they didn't have enough other evidence to go after Kobe so they dropped the charges.
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So by refusing to testify, which she knew was the backbone of the case, and accepting the money, leaving the prosecution with no viable case to pursue, what did she do?

Oh she TOOK THE MONEY AND RAN.

As I said, Tyson's accuser didn't do that.

Furthermore, there are a litany of reasons why she would want to back out of the criminal case, reasons that have nothing to do with money. Would you want your life destroyed in public? Your name dragged through the mud? Humiliated? Doubted? It's so impossible to prove a rape case, most often the women don't even report it or if so, eventually refuse to testify. It was probably a traumatic experience for her and she didn't want it to go on for a year and in public.
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She brought up the charges on Bryant, it wasn't like she was an unwilling participate and someone else called the cops--she called them. So again, wouldn't you wanna see justice served?

Tyson's accuser did.

Perhaps she WAS in it for the money - we don't know, and that would be a wild assumption, and assumptions are what you criticized Jeff for.
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It is assumption, based on the facts that I have already covered.

For you to say that she "took the money and ran" is ignorant and pretty insulting to her, actually.
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No it isn't.

See above answer.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
So by refusing to testify, which she knew was the backbone of the case, and accepting the money, leaving the prosecution with no viable case to pursue, what did she do?

Oh she TOOK THE MONEY AND RAN.

As I said, Tyson's accuser didn't do that.



She brought up the charges on Bryant, it wasn't like she was an unwilling participate and someone else called the cops--she called them. So again, wouldn't you wanna see justice served?

Tyson's accuser did.



It is assumption, based on the facts that I have already covered.



No it isn't.

See above answer.
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I'm not even going to address this, because you are talking out of your ass.
 
so nuggets are a dirty team now?

actually i think they are not physical enough. they play no defense and are too much of a finess/offensive minded team.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Keep telling yourself that.
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/pat on head

Anyways, like I said long ago, the refs suck ass but I'll never blame them for a loss. We got some bad calls, but the shoe's been on the other foot before. Personally, I'd like to see very few calls made in the last few minutes of a game and just let the players play. Sure, if someone gets mugged, you gotta call that, but some of these calls are way too soft.
 
They aren't fighting...they're dancing!

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commish said:
/pat on head

Anyways, like I said long ago, the refs suck ass but I'll never blame them for a loss. We got some bad calls, but the shoe's been on the other foot before. Personally, I'd like to see very few calls made in the last few minutes of a game and just let the players play. Sure, if someone gets mugged, you gotta call that, but some of these calls are way too soft.
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Try to jab me and then redirect in the same post without addressing anything I said.

Fantastic.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Try to jab me and then redirect in the same post without addressing anything I said.

Fantastic.
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Lord, get over it. I already said I'm not going to address your bullshit post because it's just wrong. I'm not here to correct everyone's ignorant posts. If you think you are right, then good for you. You should become a defense attorney!

Anyways.......as I try to change the subject again....too bad Dirk couldn't come back for tonight's game. GSW should win this one if Dallas is without Dirk and Stack.
 
commish said:
Lord, get over it. I already said I'm not going to address your bullshit post because it's just wrong. I'm not here to correct everyone's ignorant posts. If you think you are right, then good for you. You should become a defense attorney!
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This is the same thing I see all the time on GAF.

Someone accuses someone else of being wrong and then hits the eject button without showing why they are wrong.

Your posts about officiating are wrong and bullshit because I said so.

See how ridiculous that is?
 
ryutaro's mama said:
This is the same thing I see all the time on GAF.

Someone accuses someone else of being wrong and then hits the eject button without showing why they are wrong.

Your posts about officiating are wrong and bullshit because I said so.

See how ridiculous that is?
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So you think refs shouldn't let the players play and slow the game down with soft fouls? Maybe I think they should not call fouls because I just know Shaq will miss them all!
 
Dark FaZe said:
And yet doesn't play.

Fuck him. They had a legitimate chance at getting home court and blew it.
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Something's up. He bitched about not being cleared to play, then he's cleared but still doesn't play. I dunno.
 
commish said:
wow that's really hilarious

anywaysssssss

this thread is dead and i don't want to read any more cases. Wish the games were on....
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I'm taking the next 2 nights off from watching games. I'm getting burned out watching 10 games a night. I will go out on a limb and say the Heat will upset the whore-NATS. It's a trap game!

Might peek a quarter of Warriors/Mavs.
Warriors should blow out the Mavs tonight IF Avery plays small ball again. Nelson will go small again just to fuck with the Mavs head. Dallas loss = 9th place

edit: Aside from the race in the west, it's going to be interesting to see if the Pacers can get that 8th spot.
 
Gilbert just subbed in the game

and scored!


He came out the locker room acting like he wasn't playing then threw a jersey on

he's 3/3 including a 3
 
Kak.efes said:
Rasho Nesterovich is ballin' :lol
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u mad?

Actually, I saw his stats the last few gams and couldn't believe it. But then I remember that when Tim was out he always played great ball, so the potential was always there. I <3 Rashow.
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
u mad?

Actually, I saw his stats the last few gams and couldn't believe it. But then I remember that when Tim was out he always played great ball, so the potential was always there. I <3 Rashow.
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He just up-faked Smith from 22 feet, and nailed a three :lol
 
Rasho played really big this summer too. He has about 0 athleticism, but he's a really smart guy with a variety of post moves. Good on defense, solid on offense, and he isn't allergic to rebounds like another centre on the Raptors...
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
Rasho played really big this summer too. He has about 0 athleticism, but he's a really smart guy with a variety of post moves. Good on defense, solid on offense, and he isn't allergic to rebounds like another centre on the Raptors...
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Bargnani meanwhile played terribly for Italy in the summer, was awarded the starting job regardless of play, played terribly all season long, and only recently has been relegated to the bench.
 
things are not looking good for my upset pick

wiz seem to be pulling away..........

meh
 
Rodeo Clown said:
Kandiman > Rasho. Now should I just list the rest of the bad/underachieving big men who have played in Minnesota as a preemptive strike?
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KG
Mark Blount
Mad Dog
Eddie Griffin
 
ryutaro's mama said:
The semen of other men was found in the panties that the girl had on the night of the alleged crime.
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Semen and pubic hairs of another MAN were found in the panties/snatch of accuser. And they weren't the panties she was wearing during the alleged crime. They were the panties she wore to the medical examination.

ryutaro's mama said:
She was more anxious to settle as she was not interested in testifying. Wouldn't you want to see the person who commited such a terrible violation of you go to jail? Would money be enough?
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So... because she didn't want to testify, it must have been a lie? You know how incredibly dumb that statement is, right? You do realize most cases of physical and sexual abuse are not even reported? I guess that means it doesn't happen. Maybe the accuser changed her mind after the defense broke the judges orders and named the accuser in court and on camera 7 or 8 times. Maybe it was after the death threats that she changed her mind and decided she didn't want to testify. The rape shield law was so shat on in this case, it was disgusting to watch.

ryutaro's mama said:
Wait, before you answer that with, oh Kobe had money and she would have never won, blah, blah,blah, let's think back on another athlete who had tremedous amounts of money and was accused of rape--Mike Tyson.
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What does that have to do with anything? Why even have trials anymore? I mean, if one guy was convicted, surely they will all be.

ryutaro's mama said:
Did his victim take the money and run? No. She pressed charges to the point that it went to trial and Tyson was CONVICTED and SENT TO PRISON.
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I don't remember hearing about Tyson's accusers Mom mailing the judge asking for help with hundreds of death threats mailed to her house. What does one case have to do with another? Absolutely nothing.

ryutaro's mama said:
Faber could always have gotten money in the long run, (writing books, making appearances on talk shows, suing Kobe in a civil trial) AFTER sending this to trial and showing enough evidence to CONVICT him.

But she didn't.
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Why the fuck would someone want to make appearances on talk shows or write books about a rape? Are you being serious here? :lol

ryutaro's mama said:
She took the money and ran.

So based on everything I've just mentioned, (that are fact, not an ASSumption of guilt) there is no validity to your statement.
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No, saying she took money and ran is your opinion, not fact. It is fact that a different accuser in a different legal case got a conviction but that is 110% irrelevant to this case. Your statement that she was more anxious to settle than testify is "ASSumption".

Sorry to bring that crap up again but I think your logic is really silly.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
did i step into a time warp back to 2004?
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Bish and Ace need do some motherfucking house cleaning around here.
 
Rodeo Clown said:
What has happened here?


Minnesota's the best team in the NBA. Gonna blow y'all the fuck out tonight.
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"This is it," "It's for all the marbles. I'm sitting in the house loading up the pump, I'm loading up the Uzis, I've got a couple of M-16s, couple of nines, couple of joints with some silencers on them, couple of grenades, got a missile launcher. I'm ready for war."
 
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