Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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Exactly...FFantasyFX said:I hate to contradict Dragona (and risk a ban to boot), but I would like to point out that NCL also did not release any Virtual Console titles the week WiiWare launched in Japan. So this week's VC non-releases may be disappointing, but certainly not unexpected. In the overall scheme of things, there are more valid things to complain about IMO - like the lack of Ys: Book I & II.NOA has only themselves to blame for the thread title.
Not to mention that during April, they only released 1 (one) WiiWare game...
What is really weird, is the kind of schedule NOA follows for it's VC release..IF there's an actual schedule, since I just don't klnow what makes them decide which game to release each week, or more importantly..why...
Dragona Akehi
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Crushed said:
If you "stopped caring", you wouldn't have changed the thread title!
Wasn't me this time, amigo.
SonicMegaDrive
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Even Europe is getting treated like kings, while we Americans continue to get beaten like red-headed stepchildren.
Ah, whatever.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm just about done with the service, except for the absolute must-haves that may or may not ever get released(Mega Mans, Mario RPG, Earthbound, Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart, Super Punch-Out!!, Contra 1, Earthworm Jim, Sonic 3 & Knuckles).
Nintendo killed my enthusiasm for this service, almost completely. If we get 4 games next week, I might perk up a little.
Ah, whatever.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm just about done with the service, except for the absolute must-haves that may or may not ever get released(Mega Mans, Mario RPG, Earthbound, Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart, Super Punch-Out!!, Contra 1, Earthworm Jim, Sonic 3 & Knuckles).
Nintendo killed my enthusiasm for this service, almost completely. If we get 4 games next week, I might perk up a little.
JoshuaJSlone
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Pffft. River City Ransom released less than three weeks ago.Mr_Furious said:
DaBargainHunta
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And Double Dragon the week after. I don't care what anyone says: the NES version of DD is the best version of them all - even minus 2P mode. Yes, even better than SMS or *gasp* arcade. It's longer, deeper, and much more interesting to play through.JoshuaJSlone said:
WiiRevolution1
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The PR Guy found out about JSnake posting the PR's and now JSnake cant post them on Fridays anymore.
Dang it :\
Love the new title btw
Dang it :\
Love the new title btw
charlequin
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DavidDayton said:
Are you seriously asking amir0x to pass up the opportunity to do something snarky out of spite? :lol
nincompoop
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Why not take out "Horrible" so you could squeeze it in, its kind of redundant anyway with "Un-Awesome" right after itAmir0x said:
BuddhaRockstar
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Ranger X said:While it does not apply for this week, BuddhaRockstar's avatar is quite perfect for guessing how many games a future NA VC update might have.
Close your eyes,
Press ESC,
Open your eyes. TADAAAAA!
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I like how Ray is cheering if we get two games. He's like "Hell yes, crispy Stella's at my place, chochachos!"
DXB-KNIGHT
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WiiRevolution1 said:
Wow Thats bad
DaBargainHunta
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WiiRevolution1 said:
Seriously, why the hell should Nintendo care? Idiots. Promoting the VC releases ahead of time helps them by creating hype and free publicity. Damned fools.
Stumpokapow
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i wouldn't worry. jsnake isn't the only person out there leaking the vc prs, so this won't change anything. 
Cyan said:
PPL was also a good one but it's subjective. People just seem a little pissed because of a reduction and just being really impatient, short-sighted and hyperbolic (My personal feeling is that VC success is measured by completeness of the library and not week-to-week stuff). I can respect that some people really want certain games that are good and also hard to get, but I'm a little annoyed about the mods doing the whole FUD thing with the title. Both Dragona and Amirox are holding grudges (Ys and Earthbound) and basically both plan to hold the title ransom until they get them, possibly longer. I mean we all know this 0 VC games is an anamoly and that they have a good excuse spotlighting Wiiware, but I'm starting to think that the mods won't change the title back as per usual and that'd be misleading.
Android18a
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Bet ya'll wish you were European now
We've got the Hanabi Festival import games again, and Metal Slug went up this week =D =D =D
We've got the Hanabi Festival import games again, and Metal Slug went up this week =D =D =D
LostWinds almost definitely, Defend Your Castle if it has largely positive feedback. But where are Star Soldier R and Family Ping Pong? It's not like they're my most wanted or anything close to it (SSR would be if it were a full game, though), but unlike others such as Gyrostarr, Dr. Mario, Toki Tori, Protothea, World of Goo, Tetris, and Bomberman, those two are already released in Japan. Family Ping Pong even had an English option in the Japanese version. There's no excuse for this. :|
-Permanently "mint condition" games, requiring literally no maintenance
-No space occupied physically
-Elimination of the need to have various systems perpetually hooked up to various TVs
-Import titles playable without modding a system
-Save states
-More convenient switching between games due to the Wii menu system
-Relatively low cost for most games
-Dramatically-reduced load time for CD games
With the possible exception of low costs, none of these factors can be replicated merely by a person finding original copies. And for some of the systems represented on VC, like TG16, Neo Geo, and Master System, I'm not sure how likely it is that a person would be able to find original copies in working condition anyway.
I'm not seeing impatience. I'm seeing criticism that NOA can't keep up the pace that other regions clearly can and have.Somnid said:
Here's what VC offers me:Somnid said:
-Permanently "mint condition" games, requiring literally no maintenance
-No space occupied physically
-Elimination of the need to have various systems perpetually hooked up to various TVs
-Import titles playable without modding a system
-Save states
-More convenient switching between games due to the Wii menu system
-Relatively low cost for most games
-Dramatically-reduced load time for CD games
With the possible exception of low costs, none of these factors can be replicated merely by a person finding original copies. And for some of the systems represented on VC, like TG16, Neo Geo, and Master System, I'm not sure how likely it is that a person would be able to find original copies in working condition anyway.
Dragona Akehi
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Amir0x said:
Unless it's Ys, over my dead body.
jaundicejuice
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Sucks that there's no new content this Monday but it's unsurprising.
Is there any word on a storage solution for the Wii? I honestly can't fucking fathom why they're starting up a second channel of digital distribution when people have been pissing and moaning about the lack of space or the pain of using SD cards with just the one. I thought I read that something was going to be unvieled at this E3, whenever the new E3 is.
Is there any word on a storage solution for the Wii? I honestly can't fucking fathom why they're starting up a second channel of digital distribution when people have been pissing and moaning about the lack of space or the pain of using SD cards with just the one. I thought I read that something was going to be unvieled at this E3, whenever the new E3 is.
JoshuaJSlone
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Yeah. Were they to release the load on week 1, we'd end up with some thread retitledPolari said:
Repulsive Percentage Drop of WiiWare Neglect (1 game in week 2!?)
I'd expect staggered releases. Nintendo doesn't want to blow their load and it's a sound business model. But just confirmation that stuff like Dr. Mario Online RX, Toki Tori, Strongbad, World of Goo, Earthbound, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Kirby's Super Star, etc. are coming eventually somewhat quells my anger.
They're not obvious to me. Even for a retail game, I'd almost never say "Yeah, they should go ahead and push back a finished game in order to maximize sales," never mind a digital release with a potentially infinite shelf life. Show me the light.Polari said:
Well, yes, I think we even had earlier confirmation that WiiWare releases would be staggered. But what's sound about it? Sincere question. I've honestly never seen anyone provide substantive reasoning for this one.Jammy said:
Edit:
One game in the service's second week would be pretty horrible, yes. But if they eventually drop to one game per week, I'll understand--provided, of course, that it's not another VC situation where loads of games are released in one or two regions but not the others--since these are original titles that take more time to complete.JoshuaJSlone said:
BuddhaRockstar
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Capndrake said:
I have a question about this... if you were to delete the game to free up space, would you be able to redownload it again?
Jiggy37 said:
It's as sound as regular releases in the console market are. Notice how last year Nintendo had a typical pace of releasing one game a month for Wii. Or notice how SSBB is coming out in Europe at the end of June now. It's just a typical business model. Nintendo wants to maximize sales of previously-released games before they put out more games that could potentially cannibalize sales of others.
I believe in SSBB's case, Nintendo knows how much software's selling on Wii right now, and also realized they released Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii within weeks of each other, and should be able to rely on those sales for a month or two more.
With the VC/WiiWare, if everything was put up on day one, people would head straight for the Super Mario Bros 3s, the Earthbounds, the Kirby Super Star, etc. and the smaller games would get no recognition at all.
I mean, I don't think people would take a second look at River City Ransom or Pokemon Puzzle League if a huge VC library was initially released. But now people, especially here, see the weekly update includes that game, maybe gets intrigued, looks up some old videos of it, and now decide they want it.
Oh, and small third parties get their brief time in the limelight... yadda-yadda-yadda.
Jiggy37, you're really asking why they would spread out digital release? :/
Even with physical releases publishers and console makers are trying to time their releases so they have key titles on the shelve at key times. This way of thinking is even easier to apply in a business model like Wiiware, XBLA, PSN. They would and will want to spread out the goods and time the release of key titles. This even if only to keep people interested in the service. It's just like the carrot suspended before the horse's face.
Also, the more titles are on the store shelve, the less easily each title will be spotted. Don't even wonder why new releases at put into the same 4 feet shelve at Gamestop. You need to give visibility to have more sales. They will want to do it with their digital releases too because they will simply make more money.
Even with physical releases publishers and console makers are trying to time their releases so they have key titles on the shelve at key times. This way of thinking is even easier to apply in a business model like Wiiware, XBLA, PSN. They would and will want to spread out the goods and time the release of key titles. This even if only to keep people interested in the service. It's just like the carrot suspended before the horse's face.
Also, the more titles are on the store shelve, the less easily each title will be spotted. Don't even wonder why new releases at put into the same 4 feet shelve at Gamestop. You need to give visibility to have more sales. They will want to do it with their digital releases too because they will simply make more money.
Dragona Akehi
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Xabora said:Just get the PC Versions.
Nintendo wants to be a control freak and tell people exactly what to like on what system at what time, and they're willing to lose any sales that attitude costs them, compared to putting everything out there, letting everyone go completely nuts on whatever popular title they want, getting solid results from every unpredictable niche title combined, and using some of their many outlets like Nintendo Power to direct people towards whatever "game of the week" they happen to favor at the time (oh wait, I forgot, they don't even have Nintendo Power anymore).Jiggy37 said:
ruby_onix said:
I'm confused... you seriously don't accept the notion that staggered releases improve VC sales in general?
I'm not saying it's what we all want, mind you; I'm just saying that a staggered VC release system should result in more sales (especially of the smaller titles) than releasing everything at once.
Nintendo can try to force us to like Mother. Or they can try and force us to like Ys. Let's say it's one or the other, they can't do both, because there's an endless supply of niche titles out there in the VC's mandate and Nintendo is currently on pace to touch a mere fraction of them.DavidDayton said:
They can try to bend our collective will, and they may succeed, somewhat. Or they can go hands-off and accept our love of Ys and Mother combined. I think that would deliver the larger result. And then, Nintendo could add in their efforts to push one title *on top* of that freedom. That result would be unbeatable.
I think the only benefit of the staggered releases is in marketing, and Nintendo can do that at any time.