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[The Elite]

Right. Then on to The Sound of Drums.

I think it's safe to tell you that The Master is a villain from the original series. He first appeared during the Third Doctors' days.

He was also the villain in the Fox Movie and was played by Eric Roberts.
:lol

 

[WanderingWind]

I think it's safe to tell you that The Master is a villain from the original series. He first appeared during the Third Doctors' days.

He was also the villain in the Fox Movie and played by Eric Roberts.
:lol

That definitely helps.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Let's dance Who-GAF!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m7PfRxeh3Q

 

[The Elite]

That definitely helps.

Actually they played little audio snippets of the original Master during his realization/transformation in Utopia.

 

[WanderingWind]

The Who writers hate the Prime Minister, apparently. This is like the third one that's been evil or killed already. :lol

Actually they played little audio snippets of the original Master during his realization/transformation in Utopia.

Cool stuff. Doctor Who does not give a shit if you know anything about its history.

 

[RetroMG]

The Who writers hate the Prime Minister, apparently. This is like the third one that's been evil or killed already. :lol

What I always love is that the Master was able to come to power because the Doctor kicked out Harriet Jones.

EDIT: OK, he could have done it without the Doctor deposing her, but it was easier this way.

 

[The Elite]

The Who writers hate the Prime Minister, apparently. This is like the third one that's been evil or killed already. :lol



Cool stuff. Doctor Who does not give a shit if you know anything about its history.

Nope, but you don't really need to either.

 

[WanderingWind]

Nope, but you don't really need to either.

In a way, you sort of do. I mean, most of it comes to light it seems, but a lot of it are call backs to old episodes.

 

[The Elite]

In a way, you sort of do. I mean, most of it comes to light it seems, but a lot of it are call backs to old episodes.

They do a good job of establishing the Master and Doctor connection in this ep.

This Master is played a little more like The Joker than past incarnations.

 

[DrForester]

I ought to finish series 1. Unless they had a movie to launch Torchwood, they did a very poor job of connecting the shows.

Why is Jack in charge of Torchwood? Why is this massive agency now down to like, 6 people? Etc.

They probably answer the questions along the way, but watching Doctor Who with knowledge of that show leads to massive confusion as to how they connect.

"How long have you known?" KNOWN WHAT? Goddamn it. That he can't die for reasons they haven't explained?

It's explained in Torchwood, but as for a massive agency. Torchwood 1 was the primary hub for the Torchword agency and it was destroyed in the series 2 doctor who finale with the Cybermen/Dalek attack. There's a flashback episode of Torchwood (near end of 2nd season) that explains Jack's Torchwood 3 team and how it evolved into what we see in the series.

Here's the answer (very basic outline) if you don't want to watch.

Spoiler

Jack teleported from his last encouter with the Doctor to Cardiff because he knows the Doctor occasionally refuels the TARDIS there. He misscaculates and ends up in the 1800's. Torchwood of that time figures out he's an immortal and recruits him. The leader of Torchwood 3 (in present time) snaps and kills his entire team, except Jack since he knows it woudl be pointless. Since Torchwood 1 (Torchwood 2 was only hinted at in the series, and kept mysterious. It's implied it was run by just one very strange man). is gone, Jack pretty much recreates the agency how he wants it to be.

 

[KibblesBits]

There were also two more Torchwoods in Whoniverse. One was manned by a single recluse and the other one just up and completely vanished IIRC.

Or as DrForester just mentioned the two I recall could have been the same one. I still tend to think there were four Torchwood hubs. Hmn...

I think they should have used Billis Manger a bit more in Torchwood.

 

[WanderingWind]

Nice. I finally get to see Gallifrey. And yeah, the Master is explained pretty well in this episode.

 

[The Elite]

Nice. I finally get to see Gallifrey. And yeah, the Master is explained pretty well in this episode.

Just in case you didn't know. Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who.

 

[The Elite]

The Master giving his wife a Jelly Baby was a reference to the 4th Doctor.

We really need to do these with some pop ups or something.

 

[WanderingWind]

The Master giving his wife a Jelly Baby was a reference to the 4th Doctor.

We really need to do these with some pop ups or something.

Explain? Also, I liked this episode. Sadly, sleepiness has killed my desire for the night to watch the finale. I'll catch it in the morning.

 

[The Elite]

Please Attend Carefully was a reference to the 4th Doctor regeneration story - Logopolis. The Master says the same line in that.

 

[The Elite]

Explain? Also, I liked this episode. Sadly, sleepiness has killed my desire for the night to watch the finale. I'll catch it in the morning.

Not much to explain really. The 4th Doctor had a thing for fruity/candy treats called Jelly Babies. Kind of like Gummi Bears but Babies.

Delicious Babies.

 

[HolyCheck]

Oh god I missed WW's watching of Blink!

Such a good episode, good to read it lived up to the hype for you!

Thinkin I might re watch the latter half of that season tonight, something to do.

 

[ultron87]

I should really watch Blink at some point here. It has somehow escaped my scatter shot watching of season 1-4 episodes.

 

[Eteric Rice]

The Master's coolest form was a zombie. :O

Edit: Don't watch this unless you've seen the finale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4gJuwGdBIg

 

[maharg]

The Master's coolest form was a zombie. :O

Edit: Don't watch this unless you've seen the finale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4gJuwGdBIg

Huh. The cloaked guys in the beginning of that are wearing the exact same gaudy necklaces as Cardinal Wolsey wore in The Tudors. Anyone know which serial/episode it's from?

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Huh. The cloaked guys in the beginning of that are wearing the exact same gaudy necklaces as Cardinal Wolsey wore in The Tudors. Anyone know which serial/episode it's from?

Eccleston Series, Episode 2.

 

[maharg]

The End of the World? I thought it might be.

Oops, not Wolsey. Thomas Cromwell:

Now I wonder if this is a prop the BBC uses in a lot of things.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

The End of the World? I thought it might be.

I'm surprised you had to ask. Did you block the episode out from your mind or something?

 

[Regulus Tera]

The Master giving his wife a Jelly Baby was a reference to the 4th Doctor.

We really need to do these with some pop ups or something.

Let's sub the entire series and add spazzy-funky-looking translator's notes at every little detail.

 

[maharg]

I'm surprised you had to ask. Did you block the episode out from your mind or something?

There's just a lot of old Who I haven't seen and I thought it at least remotely possible they might have been in one of them involving the master. Image quality seemed low, too.

But it was my first thought.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Oh God you're almost at Voyage of the Damned. I feel sorry for you.

Don't forget to watch Time Crash before it though.

 

[Zenith]

Oh, shit! That's where Jack's hand-in-a-jar comes from. Though, why was it so special that he was willing to let everybody in Torchwood die to protect it?

Did you realise where the giant monster from that Torchwood finale comes from as well?

 

[Mr. Sam]

I'm surprised you had to ask. Did you block the episode out from your mind or something?

Low level perception filter.

 

[HolyCheck]

Just watching the season Fnarg finalie with my family now (they watch it on TV! I join them for their reactions)

Still awesome.

 

[wind_steaker]

I just watched the Caves of Androzani and it was pretty good, but #1 of all time? Anyway onto City of Death this afternoon!

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

hmm, I never actually watched Torchwood. Is it really worth it compared to new Who?

And I suck at anagrams, apparently. :')

 

[Kuraudo]

I just watched the Caves of Androzani and it was pretty good, but #1 of all time? Anyway onto City of Death this afternoon!

If you haven't read Dirk Gently, this is awesome. If you have, it's still good but you'll get some crazy deja vu from it.

 

[The Elite]

hmm, I never actually watched Torchwood. Is it really worth it compared to new Who?

And I suck at anagrams, apparently. :')

Just watch the miniseries Children of Earth. That is the third season mini series. There are a handful of good episodes sprinkled amongst the first two seasons but not much else to enjoy.

 

[KibblesBits]

Just watch the miniseries Children of Earth. That is the third season mini series. There are a handful of good episodes sprinkled amongst the first two seasons but not much else to enjoy.

I don't get the whole love for Children of the Earth. I think it was bad.
Why do you like it?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I think the serial format covering one BIG story worked well. I also liked that it gave them a real serious situation, rather than using "It's Who for adults!" as an excuse to toss in another orgasm monster.

 

[The Elite]

I don't get the whole love for Children of the Earth. I think it was bad.
Why do you like it?

It was a world ending cataclysmic event and for once The Doctor wasn't around to do anything about it. Seeing frail humans go up against an alien race and nearly fail was refreshing change for the Torchwood/Doctor Who universe. The more focused story made for a better narrative and I loved that the stakes were raised for the Torchwood team.

 

[Dead Man Typing]

Torchwood Children of Earth is about to run again on BBC HD, on the 15th at 11pm, might be on the regular channels too. I just got a freesat box and was looking for pretty content to on the HD channel to watch and was happy to find Children of Earth.

So if people want to see what the fuss is about, might be a good chance to jump in.

 

[The Elite]

Torchwood Children of Earth is about to run again on BBC HD, on the 15th at 11pm, might be on the regular channels too. I just got a freesat box and was looking for pretty content to on the HD channel to watch and was happy to find Children of Earth.

So if people want to see what the fuss is about, might be a good chance to jump in.

I like to think Torchwood takes place in that period between Waters of Mars and The End of Time. The Doctor is running from his responsibilities while shit is hitting the fan on Earth.

 

[pnjtony]

I liked Children of Earth in retrospect, but whenever I watch it I feel like it could have been told in three episodes as opposed to five.

 

[KibblesBits]

It was a world ending cataclysmic event and for once The Doctor wasn't around to do anything about it. Seeing frail humans go up against an alien race and nearly fail was refreshing change for the Torchwood/Doctor Who universe. The more focused story made for a better narrative and I loved that the stakes were raised for the Torchwood team.

All the aliens wanted were some children. It wasn't that much world ending drama imo either. It seemed like an exercise in kicking Jack and finding a wonky way to close off Torchwood. That said, the Doctor is never around to handle Torchwood stuff at all and it left me feeling unsatisfied and confused in general. It felt drawn out and full of nonsense like most of RTD and his season finales. There are great Torchwood episodes but I don't count Children of the Earth among them.

I hope the new series is not more of the same but I fear it may be and that is annoying.

 

[Charmicarmicat]

All the aliens wanted were some children. It wasn't that much world ending drama imo either. It seemed like an exercise in kicking Jack and finding a wonky way to close off Torchwood. That said, the Doctor is never around to handle Torchwood stuff at all and it left me feeling unsatisfied and confused in general. It felt drawn out and full of nonsense like most of RTD and his season finales. There are great Torchwood episodes but I don't count Children of the Earth among them.

I hope the new series is not more of the same but I fear it may be and that is annoying.

SOME Children??? 10% is not some heh. And once the government started making these decisions, and if they had gone through with it, pretty much the whole of humankind would have risen up to riot. That in itself would probably destroy humanity.

 

[KibblesBits]

SOME Children??? 10% is not some heh. And once the government started making these decisions, and if they had gone through with it, pretty much the whole of humankind would have risen up to riot. That in itself would probably destroy humanity.

Meh. It didn't convey any urgency or whole destruction of humanity feeling at all to me. That said people die all the time, in wars, famine, and other horrible acts. 10% is not a lot.

 

[border]

10% is not a whole lot.....are you crazy? In America alone it would be around 7 million children. That would probably be more deaths than in any war since WW2. All told the event would probably claim the lives of several hundred million children. And if the government had been the ones to sell them out, it would pretty much mean the collapse of society.

Of course there's also the fairly obvious implication that there is nothing to stop the aliens from coming back and demanding more. If you can understand that the stakes in Children of Earth are very high, there might be something wrong with you.

 

[KibblesBits]

It came across as corny and manufactured. Torchwood could have handled the threat given the proper amount of time and resources. It felt manufactured and false and unrealistic considering the species had already been encountered before and neither UNIT or Torchwood had an inkling of what to do. When at other times they've been shown to be clever and resourceful and willing to take extreme measures. It wasn't full of urgency like a Dalek or Cybermen invasion. It was just some weird species from space broadcasting on a frequency where the whole solution was a 'reverse the polarity' nod.

Overdone, overacted, overdrawn D-

 

[border]

Torchwood could have handled the threat given the proper amount of time and resources.

But they had neither the time nor the resources. That's kind of the point, isn't it? If you aren't much for bullshit "modify the quantum spectrum flux and it will kill all the aliens" endings then there's no point in watching anything RTD does. At least Children of Earth's nonsense ending had some real measure of sacrifice to go with it, whereas normally it's a total restoration of the status quo.

 

[neojubei]

In the episode the Pandorica Opens,

Spoiler

when River Song is in Amy's house she says "oh Doctor why do I let you out", I wonder if that meant anything about her past with the Doctor.

 

[KibblesBits]

In the episode the Pandorica Opens,

Spoiler

when River Song is in Amy's house she says "oh Doctor why do I let you out", I wonder if that meant anything about her past with the Doctor.

I can't wait to find out. She is written so well she is fascinating.

 

[Zenith]

In the episode the Pandorica Opens,

Spoiler

when River Song is in Amy's house she says "oh Doctor why do I let you out", I wonder if that meant anything about her past with the Doctor.

I assumed that was just alluding to their husband/wife relationship. Suferring wives jokingly say how they can't let their husbands out in public.

 

[infiniteloop]

Looks like Jason Isaacs may have been cast in the next series (or Christmas Special?).

http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/arts.html