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[DECK'ARD]

From the way Bush talked in the presidential debate, it seemed that church+state were the same thing though. That his personal beliefs were dictating the direction he wanted to take the country in.

That's a very odd thing to see, we haven't seen anything even remotely like that in the UK. Religion is a personal thing, it's not something you should enforce on others or use as a political football.

 

[cvxfreak]

Ohio President/Vice President
Office Candidate Party Votes % Of Votes
Statewide Totals
Bush, George W. Republican 1,127,260 52.59%
Kerry, John F. Democratic 1,000,627 46.69%

 

[Belfast]

Ok, as a Brit, I'm confused. Could someone from the US explain this.

Doesn't the US constitution separate church from state? And that the Government is of the people, by the people, for the people. So to impose one religion on all the people would be excluding those people with different beliefs, and is therefore unconstitutional.

If so, how on earth can the Republicans play the religion card so heavily, and pass laws which are based on someone's moral beliefs?

Religion and politics really shouldn't mix, it's asking for trouble.

It basically comes down to the fact that some people give more of a shit about their religion than their politics and thus vote with a religious-minded morality. Yes, separation of church and state is SUPPOSED to be the norm, but the religious right is REALLY REALLY skirting the issue. They're kind of getting as close to the line as they can without going right over it.

 

[impirius]

Bush-Edwards presidency.

It looks like the Senate will remain in Republican hands, giving Cheney the vice-presidency in case of a tie.

 

[Willco]

YOUNG VOTER TURNOUT SAME AS 2000!

- 1 KERRY
+ 4 MORE YEARS FOR BUSH




GAME OVER, GAF. GAME OVER.

 

[jobber]

This Black woman actually said this to me today. "I voted for Bush because he is a Christian..." What the hell is Kerry then? :lol

Catholic

 

[belgurdo]

 

[goodcow]

This Black woman actually said this to me today. "I voted for Bush because he is a Christian..." What the hell is Kerry then? :lol

Catholic

 

[DarienA]

Florida where if you aren't careful you'll tan to a too dark to vote color.

LOL!

 

[mattx5]

Still a good chance for that tie.

Bush with 193+

Florida-27
Wisconsin-10
Arizona-10
Colorado-9
Nevada-5
New Mexico-5
Idaho-4
Montana-3
Alaska-3

269

Bush-Edwards presidency.

You forgot Ohio

 

[cvxfreak]

This Black woman actually said this to me today. "I voted for Bush because he is a Christian..." What the hell is Kerry then? :lol

An athiest, baby killing gay lover.

 

[Chesapeake Silt]

Man, some lawyers are going to get paid. Contesting elections is a growth industry.

 

[Duck of Death]

LOL, a few people I work with said the same thing. Allegedly Kerry isn't a "true christian" or something along that line.

Whatever :\

 

[Socreges]

This Black woman actually said this to me today. "I voted for Bush because he is a Christian..." What the hell is Kerry then? :lol

A personal Christian that doesn't employ his beliefs when operating in politics. You can't feel comfortable with that! You need someone who's crazy enough to speak to God and tell you about it!

 

[Mason]

The majority of Americans are obese, religious, uninformed assholes.

As rude and blunt as that statement is, it's fairly accurate.

 

[J2 Cool]

GAME OVER, GAF. GAME OVER.

heh, I was thinking the exact same words, when clicking on this thread, substitute "gaf" for "man".

 

[impirius]

YOUNG VOTER TURNOUT SAME AS 2000!

I THOUGHT I SAID VOTE OR DIE

 

[MetatronM]

Kerry is back ahead in NH....by 200 votes.

 

[DJ_Tet]

From the way Bush talked in the presidential debate, it seemed that church+state were the same thing though. That his personal beliefs were dictating the direction he wanted to take the country in.

That's a very odd thing to see, we haven't seen anything even remotely like that in the UK. Religion is a personal thing, it's not something you should enforce on others or use as a political football.

The problem with the system is not religion. It's two political parties. It's one thing I'd like to see us take from the UK. I'd be all for more choice. As it is, conservatives represent more of my values, but CERTAINLY don't represent all of them. There are some important values I hold, like stem cell research/abortion, that go against what my "party" believes.

 

[DarienA]

Ed Helms at the rocked Bush Party! LOL I should have turn to the Daily Show much sooner.

 

[AniHawk]

Kerry is back ahead in NH....by 200 votes.

Fucking fuckering fuck.

 

[Kettch]

You forgot Ohio

Kerry still has a good chance in Ohio. But if it does go to Bush, Kerry would need to take Wisconsin, New Mexico, and Nevada for the tie, which is also conceivable.

 

[ShadowRed]

Problem in SW Florida... the touch screen voting system is apparently having problems, they are actually on the phone with the company that created the machines/software to see why the machines are reporting wrong. The numbers aren't matching up from what is being taken at the machines vs. what the machines are reporting to the poll folks as the number being taken.

You gotta be shitting me. There have been problems in Texas with the voting machines and I have read on other boards that in many other states their machines have been fucking up. Do these machines get beta tested or do they just drop them off at the polls and cross their fingers. This shit is so fucking frustrating. A fucking video game gets more error testing than the fcking polling machines.

 

[MetatronM]

JOHN KERRY WINS PENNSYLVANIA.

 

[Matt]

Kerry is back ahead in NH....by 200 votes.

Now it's by over a thousand.

 

[jobber]

NBC is cosigning Kerry winning PA

 

[cvxfreak]

JOHN KERRY WINS PENNSYLVANIA.

ORGASMS

 

[Mason]

JOHN KERRY WINS PENNSYLVANIA.

Source please.

 

[Gek54]

Frustrated that Texas machines are not working? :lol Like it would ever matter?

 

[thefit]

CNN +No surprises things are like they where in 2002"!!

 

[Matt]

Kerry now 3,000+ ahead in NH.

 

[DarienA]

Every state that had it on the card voted for the gay marriage ban? WOW.

CNN and Yahoo both reporting that Kerry took PA.

 

[Mason]

Jon Stewart looks so sad behind all the funny. Seriously, he seems kind of pissed/depressed. I'd better get back to NBC.

 

[MetatronM]

Source please.

CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS.

 

[cvxfreak]

Kerry now 3,000+ ahead in NH.

ORGASMS AGAIN

 

[demon]

The majority of Americans are obese, religious, uninformed assholes.

I wouldn't say the majority of America is "obese". Obese is pretty fucking fat. Maybe at least slightly overweight.

Too much of america is comprised of mindless religious zealots, though.

 

[goodcow]

CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS.

For what it's worth, FOX News is calling it [PA] too close to call.

 

[Vgamer]

Its 203-133 now Bush Leading http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

 

[Gahiggidy]

Ok, as a Brit, I'm confused. Could someone from the US explain this.

Doesn't the US constitution separate church from state? And that the Government is of the people, by the people, for the people. So to impose one religion on all the people would be excluding those people with different beliefs, and is therefore unconstitutional.

If so, how on earth can the Republicans play the religion card so heavily, and pass laws which are based on someone's moral beliefs?

Religion and politics really shouldn't mix, it's asking for trouble.

That is ridiculous.

How can any legislator, in any nation, avoid having thier religious/moral beliefs affect the thier votes?

How about the belief that "thal shall not kill"? What if some dude says that according to his religion of Nintendoism says that every November 15th, I am allowed to sacrafice one child-xbot to my God? Your votes to outlaw homicide are imposing your religious beliefs on me!!

THat bad. You are a bad man. A baaad, intollerant, zeallot! Let me worship Mario the Magnificant in peace.

 

[impirius]

Hahahaha, that Colbert speech was great!

Fattie!

 

[Chipopo]

I wouldn't say the majority of America is "obese". Obese is pretty fucking fat. Maybe at least slightly overweight.

Too much of america is comprised of mindless religious zealots, though.

Actually I'm pretty sure "obese" is only 20 pounds overweight.

It packs the punch of a "you fat fuck" in American vernacular though.

 

[MIMIC]

I seriously want to type a long rant, but I'm too depressed to even....

 

[Matt]

ORGASMS AGAIN

Now 4,000+ ahead in NH.

 

[thefit]

Well blame the fat in there brains for that! No seriusly WTF is up with all the fatties? I see a food place at every corner its sad, this is one epidemic Africa could do with.

 

[cvxfreak]

Now 4,000+ ahead in NH.

::drool::

 

[Anthropic]

Update on the Ohio situation...Check out Cuyahoga County there...

Cuyahoga County (Cleveland): 471/1437

Kerry, John F.  	Democratic  	147,696  
Bush, George W. 	Republican 	97,979 

Franklin (Columbus): 561/825

Kerry, John F.  	Democratic  	174,336
Bush, George W. 	Republican 	170,063 

Hamilton (Cincinatti): 89/1018

Kerry, John F.  	Democratic  	33,268  
Bush, George W. 	Republican 	32,583 

Lucas (Toledo): 105/495

Kerry, John F.  	Democratic  	18,693
Bush, George W. 	Republican 	8,367

Mahoning County (Youngstown): 153/312

Kerry, John F.  	Democratic  	44,291 
Bush, George W. 	Republican 	30,926 

Mongomery County (Dayton): 322/589

Kerry, John F.  	Democratic  	65,577
Bush, George W. 	Republican 	55,332 

Stark (Canton): 48/364

Kerry, John F.  	Democratic  	20,486 
Bush, George W. 	Republican 	19,542

Summit County (Akron): 136/498

Kerry, John F.  	Democratic  	58,379  
Bush, George W. 	Republican 	37,665

 

[Matt]

For what it's worth, FOX News is calling it [PA] too close to call.

They are lying, it’s 57-43 Kerry.

 

[Santo]

Michigan, Ohio and Florida all leaning Bush according to YAHOO.com.

That coupled with the 17% figure of 18-29 year old voter and I feel extremely sick to my stomach.

 

[ErasureAcer]

PA for Kerry according to CBS. They also gave Specter PA Senate but Hoeffel is up by 8,000 on CNN with 65% in.

Think they jumped the gun with Specter...hopefully.

 

[Mason]

That is ridiculous.

How can any legislator, in any nation, avoid having thier religious/moral beliefs affect the thier votes?

How about the belief that "thal shall not kill"? What if some dude says that according to his religion of Nintendoism says that every November 15th, I am allowed to sacrafice one child-xbot to my God? Your votes to outlaw homicide are imposing your religious beliefs on me!!

THat bad. You are a bad man. A baaad, intollerant, zeallot! Let me worship Mario the Magnificant in peace.

Something like, say, gay marriage, isn't hurting anyone else. It doesn't involve murder. If you aren't imposing on anybody else's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it shouldn't be up to anyone else to decide what you can do to make yourself happy.