Pedigree Chum
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Can you elaborate a bit without giving spoliers?
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Can you elaborate a bit without giving spoliers?
COCKLES said:
I don't believe they'll add anything to the Halo 2 single player story with downloadable content. That would really piss off a ton of people including me. LIVE has been marketed as a multiplayer service from day 1. To add content to a single player game via a multiplayer subscriber service would be a low down underhanded way to try to sell subscriptions.
But I am hopeful that Halo 3 will either come as a launch title for xenon or released on the same day as the PS3 in North America. E.g. in either case I'm hopeful that it's probably not more than 2 years away. Can't wait till Tuesday to find out for myself.
As for the non 1-dimensional enemies, in that 'halo 2 and the art of storytelling' article they said something like 'the story of Halo 2 can be viewed as a stinging indictment of the Bush administrations policies in the Middle East' which was a pretty big hint as to what you are saying. But it's not like many people read that article.
Pedigree Chum said:
There's only about 2 or 3 levels actually on terra firma...Earth. 
Which kinda didn't disappoint me, given I've battled through countless Earth cities. But I kinda get the feeling most people were expecting to be battling the Covenant through the Amazon Jungle...Alaska...NYC ect. As it is the Earth City in the final game could have come from Counterstrike and palls compared to the look of New Mombasa in the E3 version :/
Which kinda didn't disappoint me, given I've battled through countless Earth cities. But I kinda get the feeling most people were expecting to be battling the Covenant through the Amazon Jungle...Alaska...NYC ect. As it is the Earth City in the final game could have come from Counterstrike and palls compared to the look of New Mombasa in the E3 version :/
Bungie would be wise to take a leaf from Molynaux's new tree...and don't keep showing things that obiovusly arn't going to be in the final game....like the new Earth craft that are AWOL in the end product.
Wouldn't entirely surprise me if they planned to end Halo story with Halo 2 but MS had other ideas to streach it out for Halo 3...Halo 4 ect. Will be intresting to see what happens next....from interviews ect I get the feeling Bungie are Master Chiefed out and want to work on something else. If they do Pheonix next or another non-Halo game then the wait for Halo 3 is gonna be awful.
Buggy Loop
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COCKLES said:
uh oh, someone hacked cockles' account?
I dunno if they will continue the story with Downloadable Content. On one hand, I think everybody will want to see more and will be upset if they have to wait for years but on the other hand a lot of people will be upset if they feel that MS shipped an incomplete game just for the sake of selling people extra crap. So you piss people off either way.
The game's levels are supposedly something like 200 MB, probably not including audio content. Distribution would put a lot of strain on Live, though certainly it's not of the question.
If Bungie has said that they want to move on to a different project then DLC levels would be perfect for them, though. They can put a small team on producing new Halo 2 content, and they should be able to work at a pretty quick rate if they don't have to re-make the engine or re-model everything. If Halo 2 took 36 months for 13 levels (1 level every 2.5-3 months) then in a worst case scenario, they would have new stuff for Live members every few months.
The game's levels are supposedly something like 200 MB, probably not including audio content. Distribution would put a lot of strain on Live, though certainly it's not of the question.
If Bungie has said that they want to move on to a different project then DLC levels would be perfect for them, though. They can put a small team on producing new Halo 2 content, and they should be able to work at a pretty quick rate if they don't have to re-make the engine or re-model everything. If Halo 2 took 36 months for 13 levels (1 level every 2.5-3 months) then in a worst case scenario, they would have new stuff for Live members every few months.
COCKLES said:
i honestly think bungie has been blowing smoke up our asses. afterseeing the end, there is no doubt in my mind, halo 3 is coming next from them...
if the game had some sort of tru ending, even if it was like halo 1's ending, where the plot wasnt finished but it was at least a self contained story, then you may have a point that it could be a while for halo3... but halo 2 literally cuts out dead in the middle of the story.
Pedigree Chum
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It's a good thing I don't give a shit about Halo's storyline, I just want to blast some covenant scum (both in 1p more and online). A bad ending won't matter to me in the least...
I think $5 would be fair, since that's roughly what you are paying for Halo 2 ($4.16 per level). They should give them away to the Top 200 players in each of the major multiplayer categores (Slayer, CTF, Territories, etc) and maybe the Top 50 clans overall. That way you encourage competition and people that don't wanna pay can just strive to become better playersDeku Tree said:
i really doubt any sp content will be downloadable. first, the download would have to be GIANT. that would be a lot of bandwidth, but more important, i dont think ms would even allow that much of the hdd space to be used up for one game...
also, there is a question of music and voice during these stages. i really dont think bungie would withhold the last stages for dlc and have this content already done, and i dont think bungie would release sp stages that arent 100% as good as what is included on the disc.
it would just be a careless and shitty thing to do to the fans.
besides, there still is an awefull lot of story to tell. i dont think the game could be wrapped up in just a couple more levels. i would be uber pissed if it was in fact, there is still so much to explain, follow through with and do. big spoilers, if you havent played through, dont read --->
also, there is a question of music and voice during these stages. i really dont think bungie would withhold the last stages for dlc and have this content already done, and i dont think bungie would release sp stages that arent 100% as good as what is included on the disc.
it would just be a careless and shitty thing to do to the fans.
besides, there still is an awefull lot of story to tell. i dont think the game could be wrapped up in just a couple more levels. i would be uber pissed if it was in fact, there is still so much to explain, follow through with and do. big spoilers, if you havent played through, dont read --->
especially after the story elements introduced in halo 2. since the elites, hunters and grunts have basically been cast out of the covenant hirarchy, it seems maybe the arbter will lead them much like the "heretic" was against the prophets. maybe in halo 3 they will continue the duel sided story, or even have battles where the masterchief and marienes team up with elites? surely we'll have to return to the halo installation to get cortana. surely that THING will have more significance. the forerunner have yet to be expanded upon. etc etc
[EDIT] - Nevermind the question.
I do agree that it would be a slap in the face to some of the fans... I just want some closure, I want more, damn it. At first, the ending didn't bother me so much, because I went straight for LIVE. But then I start replaying some Campaign levels, thinking about the ending that leaves you
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The levels would be like... What? 200-500MBs, no? Even releasing 4 or 5 would only take away around 1/4th of the Xbox's space. That's still plenty.op_ivy said:
I do agree that it would be a slap in the face to some of the fans... I just want some closure, I want more, damn it. At first, the ending didn't bother me so much, because I went straight for LIVE. But then I start replaying some Campaign levels, thinking about the ending that leaves you
right where we thought we would start before HALO 2 comes out
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op_ivy said:
You're right even one level to finish it off would be far too big, but i dont theres that much story left....
Answering spoilers:
Well the covenant will be a non-entity once the last prophet (Truth) is dead and he's on the arc, as MC said "im gonna end this war". As for cortana, well the arc can communicate with all the halos, and shes in one of them, so im betting she can get into the arc, the only thing i couldnt see quickly wound up was whatever it was the giant flood leader thingy (whatever that was) is planning, the flood could almost certainly get off that ring, which would be the one remaining problem i see
Sai:
The Arc (think its arc, like noahs arc, holds the key to life and all that jazz) is the forerunner ship
A long time back, Oxygen said that the average Xbox user isn't really using more than 700 MB of hard disk space (part of the reason that MS is looking to drop the HDD).....if that is the case, then there is enough room on the hard drive for an entirely new game. 5-8 add-on levels are certainly not out of the question.
COCKLES said:There's only about 2 or 3 levels actually on terra firma...Earth.
Which kinda didn't disappoint me, given I've battled through countless Earth cities. But I kinda get the feeling most people were expecting to be battling the Covenant through the Amazon Jungle...Alaska...NYC ect. As it is the Earth City in the final game could have come from Counterstrike and palls compared to the look of New Mombasa in the E3 version :/
Bungie would be wise to take a leaf from Molynaux's new tree...and don't keep showing things that obiovusly arn't going to be in the final game....like the new Earth craft that are AWOL in the end product.
Interesting, anyone got a link to the E3 showing? Wouldn't mind a comparison...
Doom_Bringer
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Superfrog said:
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how many hours till GS and IGN review?
Uhhh, if they want to get this episodic gaming initiative off the ground then they are going to have to start somewhere. People might as well get used to long downloads 'cause games aren't getting any smaller and broadband speeds aren't getting much faster.Ghost said:
They can probably just split the pipe and let you play Halo 2 multiplayer as your new level downloads...
DJ Demon J
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I'm frankly quite surprised at everyone who is surprised that
If you've read the books (and IIRC, Bungie hinted at this in interviews over the years:
Halo 2 takes place only briefly on Earth.
(MC would head into Covenant territory at some point).
Although, now that I think about it, MS's advertising did promote the battle on Earth pretty heavily....
Although, now that I think about it, MS's advertising did promote the battle on Earth pretty heavily....
DJ Demon J said:
i dont get it either. bungie has said many times that halo 2 is like a galactic romp from one place to the next... obviously earth was heavily promoted in footage for a emotional response and because thats not much of a spoiler... there was no bait and switch here, thats rediculous
Again....how would showing levels on a Halo planet or Covenant ship be "spoilers"? Are there people that expected not to fight in Covenant areas? Are there large portions of people out there who are not expecting a game called Halo to somehow involve a halo planet? There weren't before, but thanks to the totally deceptive and uneven marketing, there probably are now.
The "anything else would have been a spoiler" excuse is pretty pathetic. Let's just call it like it is -- they took what seemed to be the most marketable, most compelling section of the game (which sadly accounts for less than 20% of the actual game) and completely blew it up so that it looked like that section was a major component of the game. Brilliant marketing, but it's going to make people feel a bit cheated.
In some ways Bungie has done a good job of hyping the game, and in other ways they have totally shot themselves in the foot. Just like with the "No Syslink/Live Coop" issue, this disappointment could have been softened had they actually been up front about the game. Instead, they tried to hide so much of it that all the disappointments are going to hit at once.
The "anything else would have been a spoiler" excuse is pretty pathetic. Let's just call it like it is -- they took what seemed to be the most marketable, most compelling section of the game (which sadly accounts for less than 20% of the actual game) and completely blew it up so that it looked like that section was a major component of the game. Brilliant marketing, but it's going to make people feel a bit cheated.
In some ways Bungie has done a good job of hyping the game, and in other ways they have totally shot themselves in the foot. Just like with the "No Syslink/Live Coop" issue, this disappointment could have been softened had they actually been up front about the game. Instead, they tried to hide so much of it that all the disappointments are going to hit at once.
I don't think we'll see any DLC for SP. It's just too much everything. The only way it's feasible is if the assets (textures, voice, etc.) are already on the disc, and it's just a small-ish download of the level layout.
And yes, there's a way to find out if those are on the disc - wait until November 10th or so. I remember when PGR2 came out, a couple kids found pieces of what later became DLC (I think it was Paris). So, we'll have to wait and see, but I really, really doubt it.
And yes, there's a way to find out if those are on the disc - wait until November 10th or so. I remember when PGR2 came out, a couple kids found pieces of what later became DLC (I think it was Paris). So, we'll have to wait and see, but I really, really doubt it.
Like I already said, the problem people have isn't that the entire game doesn't take place completely on Earth, it's that hardly any of it takes place on Earth (and probably less than 2% of it takes place in the kind of expansive, futuristic urban locales that wowed people in the E3 2003 demo). If you don't think people will care, then I'm assuming you have spent most of your time on "spoiler-free" forums that didn't allow folks to talk about the leaked version of the game. There was whining nearly from Day 1.
I suspect that complaints about the story may overshadow the complaints about the deceptive marketing, though.
I suspect that complaints about the story may overshadow the complaints about the deceptive marketing, though.
BuddyChrist83 said:
paris and la.
and the french pirated version already has "stuff" discovered on the disc for the atv, live co-op, as well as the unlockable MP map, though obviously, because its there does not mean it will be available for dlc (see halo 1's flame thrower, enginners, etc)
You know, I don't get why people care so much about spoilers and all of that stuff. I mean, I can understand that there's a small contingent of fans that are interested in the backstory and stuff. But I believe the mainstream appeal of Halo is in its multiplayer capabilities and pure combat gameplay (co-oping with friends and such). People will put the original game on Legendary and just blast through a few levels every once in a while because it's FUN. I never got this whole new obsession with Halo's story since it was never a real factor in the original's success, and thus most likely won't be in the sequel's.
Burger
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WordofGod said:
Probably remnants. It's extremley common for final copies of games to have all sorts of old code, graphics, sound etc all over the place. Goldeneye 64 had near complete multiplayer levels.
Unless it's something Bungie are going to add later, I'd forget about Xbox Live Coop and System Link Coop.