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Official Madden 13 Xbox 360 Online Franchise Thread:Stat padding? Never heard of him.

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
gg drizzler

It's really hard for me to tell the difference between my guys and those light blue Oilers jerseys, next time you're home lemme know if you wanna wear those and I'll wear something darker!


I swear there's something wrong with jersey colors and human matchups. Like if neither team manually selects jerseys then it's 50/50 that both teams will wear light jerseys. I can't play that way, maybe I'm color blind, but I need the contrast.
 

eznark

Banned
hahaha

A few years ago I found a huge glitch. There was a 3 DL instant pressure/sack out of quarters. If you chose a play with the DEs in contain, squeezed the line down, and then audibled them to pass rush to the outside, the DE or DT, can't remember, got in clean. We banned it, but some were paranoid whenever anyone shifted a 3 man line in tight.

Still remember someone pausing the game and telling me not to do it out of 335, I was just trying to stop the draw run, glitch wasn't it in that formation anyway, and this person was also considered a cheap/cheesy player.

This would increase paranoia 100 fold. I think the only person who I will say something to is FMT.


Good idea, keep it within the cabal. Don't want an outsider in the playoffs!
 

bluemax

Banned
I swear there's something wrong with jersey colors and human matchups. Like if neither team manually selects jerseys then it's 50/50 that both teams will wear light jerseys. I can't play that way, maybe I'm color blind, but I need the contrast.

Yeah I know we restarted our game because I had my road whites and grey alternate pants on and you had white on grey as well.

I prefer the Seahawks grey pants to the white ones, although I screwed up and wore the white ones against Cola. I also wear the neon green jerseys against FMT just for shits and giggles, even though last year he threw like two interceptions to me when I had all white on because he thought I was the ref.
 
I had Smokey at 3 INT before the game decided to fucking disconnect

Also in my game against LJ I ran a ton of gameflow after I started getting fucked up so all those double slants weren't really intentional. Blame the game for calling the same 9 plays?
 

Mrbob

Member
Lol fade. You know I wasn't even in press there when you were trying to do that. Your other receivers suck so doubling Marshall with a safety is no huge issue.


See LJ, that's how you have a meaningful discussion. Fucker acting like Deepthroat.
This is the thing I never shown you part two or part three of that play. I guarantee I can get a completion 99 percent of the time against that formation now that I got the timing down. I was specifically working on timing to the outside.
 

eznark

Banned
This is the thing I never shown you part two or part three of that play. I guarantee I can get a completion 99 percent of the time against that formation now that I got the timing down. I was specifically working on timing to the outside.


Bringing a 12th man in from the sidelines? Tricky!

I look forward to seeing it next year, already swept your ass this season!

It'll work once then I will just man up Clay Matthews on your fuck awful slot guy and that will be that. I did notice you have Marshall on your TE depth chart. I spent a few minutes planning for that but you never used it :(
 

Smokey

Member
I had Smokey at 3 INT before the game decided to fucking disconnect

Also in my game against LJ I ran a ton of gameflow after I started getting fucked up so all those double slants weren't really intentional. Blame the game for calling the same 9 plays?

Just for the record we tried to play 3x and each time it disconnected

Just saying cuz the way Pheeniks framed it makes it seemed like I was grieving McNei1y style
 
I am 4-0 between you and cb. I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

The game was changed when I got HARDen

You also got the game first and have played more and know more about how to scam the game, since you're willing to lay down and let 2k give it to you
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
hahaha

A few years ago I found a huge glitch. There was a 3 DL instant pressure/sack out of quarters. If you chose a play with the DEs in contain, squeezed the line down, and then audibled them to pass rush to the outside, the DE or DT, can't remember, got in clean. We banned it, but some were paranoid whenever anyone shifted a 3 man line in tight.

Still remember someone pausing the game and telling me not to do it out of 335, I was just trying to stop the draw run, glitch wasn't it in that formation anyway, and this person was also considered a cheap/cheesy player.

This would increase paranoia 100 fold. I think the only person who I will say something to is FMT.


I'm sure it's not your intent but this sounds a bit elitist? Why wouldn't you want all of us to know the conerns and discuss it? I certainly don't want to do something that breaks the defense unintentionally.
 

eznark

Banned
I'm sure it's not your intent but this sounds a bit elitist? Why wouldn't you want all of us to know the conerns and discuss it? I certainly don't want to do something that breaks the defense unintentionally.


Plebes like us can't handle the truth. Also we are too dumb to recognize it so when the Usual Suspects make the playoffs thanks to the cheesing they tell each other about on aim, none of us will complain.

Notice how Smokey never airs games against the cabal?
 
I'm honestly surprised that the hit stick is still in the game due to the NFL's emphasis on defenseless players and player safety.

I suppose they could just leave it in and then everytime you flick the stick, you draw a 15 yard penalty. :p

I lost Treon Patrick due to a hit stick on a slant route which would've been a defenseless receiver penalty in real life.
 
I'm honestly surprised that the hit stick is still in the game due to the NFL's emphasis on defenseless players and player safety.

I suppose they could just leave it in and then everytime you flick the stick, you draw a 15 yard penalty. :p

I lost Treon Patrick due to a hit stick on a slant route which would've been a defenseless receiver penalty in real life.

Pretty sure I broke Patrick on a hook route.
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
I'm honestly surprised that the hit stick is still in the game due to the NFL's emphasis on defenseless players and player safety.

I suppose they could just leave it in and then everytime you flick the stick, you draw a 15 yard penalty. :p

I lost Treon Patrick due to a hit stick on a slant route which would've been a defenseless receiver penalty in real life.

We play after the next advance. When will you be available this weekend? i will not be around all of Saturday unless it's really early, and I assume you will be at the dome watching the Falcons get their asses kicked Sunday.
 
We play after the next advance. When will you be available this weekend? i will not be around all of Saturday unless it's really early, and I assume you will be at the dome watching the Giants get beat on a last second kick Sunday.

I won't be available Saturday either. We'll have to shoot for late Friday night or Sunday night.
 

LiveWire

Member
gg. felt like it was going to be close early. you got a couple first downs on that first drive and ray rice is a beast but then i got a stop and got a couple scores early so it allowed me to just play pass D. pharoah is fast!

Not really. He goes down on first contact with a LB 95% of the time. I've been putting points into his trucking but it doesn't seem to help.

I liked how the offense was running in the full house, but unfortunately my defense blows so I once again had to sell out in the passing game.
 

LJ11

Member
I'm sure it's not your intent but this sounds a bit elitist? Why wouldn't you want all of us to know the conerns and discuss it? I certainly don't want to do something that breaks the defense unintentionally.

It wasn't my intention at all, it's just that in the past I've pointed things out and sometimes people get upset when I bring it to light because there's always a tendency for people to then lean on the cheap/exploitable stuff. I'd write up tons of stuff to help everyone out, but I know that some will take issue with it so when I do help people I do it through private means.

So I guess I should just come out and say it because it's what I feel should have done from the get go. Ballhawk is completely overpowered when used right at the snap. Ball is snapped, immediately hold Y, profit. Watch as receivers don't separate, as soon as the receiver is targeted every defender releases from their assignment, doesn't matter if they're facing the target, they cut off and head to the target. Everyone has spidey sense.

It doesn't matter who you're controlling, you can be a safety, cb, lb, maybe even a dt/de for all I know, but if you're holding Y from the get go everyone gets ballhawk. Every defender flows to the ball better, or chases in zone, as long as you sit there holding the Y button like a complete scrub.

Put your defenders in zones, hook zones, hold Y and watch as defenders flow to receivers. In some cases you don't even need two deep coverage, put your safeties in hooks, hold Y like a complete scrub from the snap of the ball, and watch what happens.

We all have trouble stopping out routes in 2 man under with inside tech, which we should, but if you hold ballhawk the angle the CB takes is much better. Right at release of the ball the CB adjusts his angle immediately and takes a great angle to the ball.

In summation, hold Y, become a top defense.
 

TheCrow

Member
It wasn't my intention at all, it's just that in the past I've pointed things out and sometimes people get upset when I bring it to light because there's always a tendency for people to then lean on the cheap/exploitable stuff. I'd write up tons of stuff to help everyone out, but I know that some will take issue with it so when I do help people I do it through private means.

So I guess I should just come out and say it because it's what I feel should have done from the get go. Ballhawk is completely overpowered when used right at the snap. Ball is snapped, immediately hold Y, profit. Watch as receivers don't separate, as soon as the receiver is targeted every defender releases from their assignment, doesn't matter if they're facing the target, they cut off and head to the target. Everyone has spidey sense.

It doesn't matter who you're controlling, you can be a safety, cb, lb, maybe even a dt/de for all I know, but if you're holding Y from the get go everyone gets ballhawk. Every defender flows to the ball better, or chases in zone, as long as you sit there holding the Y button like a complete scrub.

Put your defenders in zones, hook zones, hold Y and watch as defenders flow to receivers. In some cases you don't even need two deep coverage, put your safeties in hooks, hold Y like a complete scrub from the snap of the ball, and watch what happens.

We all have trouble stopping out routes in 2 man under with inside tech, which we should, but if you hold ballhawk the angle the CB takes is much better. Right at release of the ball the CB adjusts his angle immediately and takes a great angle to the ball.

In summation, hold Y, become a top defense.

What? I thought ballhawk only went into affect after the ball is thrown. So instead of getting my CBs to the high 90s in MCV I could've just held Y. :(
 

eznark

Banned
It wasn't my intention at all, it's just that in the past I've pointed things out and sometimes people get upset when I bring it to light because there's always a tendency for people to then lean on the cheap/exploitable stuff. I'd write up tons of stuff to help everyone out, but I know that some will take issue with it so when I do help people I do it through private means.

So I guess I should just come out and say it because it's what I feel should have done from the get go. Ballhawk is completely overpowered when used right at the snap. Ball is snapped, immediately hold Y, profit. Watch as receivers don't separate, as soon as the receiver is targeted every defender releases from their assignment, doesn't matter if they're facing the target, they cut off and head to the target. Everyone has spidey sense.

It doesn't matter who you're controlling, you can be a safety, cb, lb, maybe even a dt/de for all I know, but if you're holding Y from the get go everyone gets ballhawk. Every defender flows to the ball better, or chases in zone, as long as you sit there holding the Y button like a complete scrub.

Put your defenders in zones, hook zones, hold Y and watch as defenders flow to receivers. In some cases you don't even need two deep coverage, put your safeties in hooks, hold Y like a complete scrub from the snap of the ball, and watch what happens.

We all have trouble stopping out routes in 2 man under with inside tech, which we should, but if you hold ballhawk the angle the CB takes is much better. Right at release of the ball the CB adjusts his angle immediately and takes a great angle to the ball.

In summation, hold Y, become a top defense.


I tried doing that as a safety a couple of times to do a more controlled drop when I move close to the line and it just makes the guy I'm controlling stand still.
 
They made a big deal about better passing trajectories this year but all I see is the same ol' shit. It's rare that you can make a nice over the shoulder throw without it getting picked off by a leaping corner/safety.

Throwing on the run is fucking useless too.
 

LJ11

Member
I tried doing that as a safety a couple of times to do a more controlled drop when I move close to the line and it just makes the guy I'm controlling stand still.

A better strategy would be just to run around like a fool and hold Y it's what EA wants!
 

Sokantish

Member
I tried taking control of my safety because I knew someone has going to do a quick cut back route and I was holding Y pretty fast, I don't know if it was at the snap or not... but my dude just stood there and let the person go for a 80yd TD instead of just jumping to get the ball, if I had just pressed y and did it myself it would have been an INT :(
 

DCX

DCX
What? I thought ballhawk only went into affect after the ball is thrown. So instead of getting my CBs to the high 90s in MCV I could've just held Y. :(
Proxy effects. Holding Y will put you in position and all your other defenders. If you try to ball hawk late it will track late and actually put you out of position. I only try to ball hawk on lobs and deep balls. I don't trust it.

LJ brings to light what happens when you are holding it outright. Crazy shit.

DCX
 
Not really. He goes down on first contact with a LB 95% of the time. I've been putting points into his trucking but it doesn't seem to help.

I liked how the offense was running in the full house, but unfortunately my defense blows so I once again had to sell out in the passing game.

On that first td pass I saw the CB blitz immediately because newson was my first read. Just lucky in that regard because usually it's Crabtree or vd and then I move over to newson
 

Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
I tried taking control of my safety because I knew someone has going to do a quick cut back route and I was holding Y pretty fast, I don't know if it was at the snap or not... but my dude just stood there and let the person go for a 80yd TD instead of just jumping to get the ball, if I had just pressed y and did it myself it would have been an INT :(

Is this referring to last night? I saw you right at Leopard and wanted to challenge you. I thought you were going to get it, you were in the perfect position.
 
I swear there's something wrong with jersey colors and human matchups. Like if neither team manually selects jerseys then it's 50/50 that both teams will wear light jerseys. I can't play that way, maybe I'm color blind, but I need the contrast.

Nah I picked the jerseys. They're home jerseys they're just such a light color blue they shine white in the sun.
 

Mrbob

Member
That explains why my guys were out of position on a couple big plays last night. I don't ever hold Y to win on passing plays. I don't hit Y till the ball is released and closer to the receiver. Now I know to hold down Y from the start, instawin.
 

daw840

Member
That explains why my guys were out of position on a couple big plays last night. I don't ever hold Y to win on passing plays. I don't hit Y till the ball is released and closer to the receiver. Now I know to hold down Y from the start, instawin.
It's like steroids. Everyone uses them and now it's a level playing field!
 

DCX

DCX
That explains why my guys were out of position on a couple big plays last night. I don't ever hold Y to win on passing plays. I don't hit Y till the ball is released and closer to the receiver. Now I know to hold down Y from the start, instawin.
Depending on how you press Y it will either try to manually catch old school style or if you pressed it longer than you intended it will activate Ball Hawk which will auto correct your own pursuit thus putting you in a bad position and/or pause and let them catch the ball and you're toast.

DCX
 

Mrbob

Member
I still think a perfectly timed fade will beat Y to win in two man press and bump coverage.

If there is a way to lower press and bump coverage, I'm all for it.

99 release Marshall shouldn't constantly get stood up at the line in 95 percent of passing plays.
 

eznark

Banned
That explains why my guys were out of position on a couple big plays last night. I don't ever hold Y to win on passing plays. I don't hit Y till the ball is released and closer to the receiver. Now I know to hold down Y from the start, instawin.

Lol I only used Y on lobs an the fuckers still dropped three easy picks!
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
It wasn't my intention at all, it's just that in the past ...


Damn, well I see why you were reluctant to go into details. No way to police something like this. This is very dissapointing though. I've complained in the past about man coverage being so ineffective against certain routes. I stopped complaining when I noticed some opponents getting effective man coverage against me in those same situations so I assumed there was something I wasn't doing right.

Oh well, I hate romo anyway, so all the more reason to recommitt to the run.
 
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