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Official Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Thread
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I don't know if it's in the instruction manual, but a good quick way to kill a downed enemy is to thrust your knife into them by pressing the square button down hard. I've been doing that by running+stabbing and it's a lot quicker than CQC. I really like how long the game is, too. 
just played for a couple hours. well, i use the word "played" loosely. essentially i did a ten minute run through the demo section, and watched a couple hours of cutscenes. :lol
it's a handy thing, then, that the cutscenes are so amazing. the facial animation is probably the high point. the boss has a rueful look on her face at one point that's got to be the best polygonal representation of a rueful look...ever. it's really remarkable. she's kinda hot with her hair down. i wonder how old she's supposed to be. the action choreography's pretty amazing as well.
hayter's voice sounds off. and i had no problem with him in mgs 2 or twin snakes. hm.
it's a handy thing, then, that the cutscenes are so amazing. the facial animation is probably the high point. the boss has a rueful look on her face at one point that's got to be the best polygonal representation of a rueful look...ever. it's really remarkable. she's kinda hot with her hair down. i wonder how old she's supposed to be. the action choreography's pretty amazing as well.
hayter's voice sounds off. and i had no problem with him in mgs 2 or twin snakes. hm.
JasoNsider
Member
I'm absolutely loving this game to death, but I thought I should point out: why aren't all the little hiccups being pointed out on this game? I remember back when TTS was released, the usual suspects were ragging on the game for the slightest hiccup in frame-rate or what not. I've had the game go to a crawl on several occasions, and had screen tearing enough to give me a headache. Exactly how is this okay and the comparable flaws in TTS were not?
This game is absolutely amazing though. I'm seriously loving the scenario here, as well as the intense stealth missions (like the abandoned warehouse at the beginning).
This game is absolutely amazing though. I'm seriously loving the scenario here, as well as the intense stealth missions (like the abandoned warehouse at the beginning).
JasoNsider
Member
Hey, I agree too. But that's not what the others were saying. The purists were saying that you can't have an MGS game with graphical hiccups all the time, as it plagues the experience. Kind of funny to see MGS3 absolutely littered with jitters and slow-down, but see no talk about it here. Some of it has hindered gameplay as well. We had a couple times already where the framerate probably dropped into the single digits. The only thing different here is that the framerate drops feel more "stable" in a way. It feels closer to how Ocarina of Time sort of just dropped into slow motion for it's frame-rate drops.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Cutscenes are beautifully made, present the story very effectivley and immerse you very well into the game.
They are part of what makes the MGS series. Call it a very interactive move, call it an awesome gaming experience with a great story... I would not want Kojima to make less cut-scenes: the moments in the game where you play are not limited... there is tons of gameplay... so what if there are also lots of cut-scenes ? They make the game an even fuller cinematic experience.
They are part of what makes the MGS series. Call it a very interactive move, call it an awesome gaming experience with a great story... I would not want Kojima to make less cut-scenes: the moments in the game where you play are not limited... there is tons of gameplay... so what if there are also lots of cut-scenes ? They make the game an even fuller cinematic experience.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I know, I completely expected this part of the game to be a large cutscene with gameplay that I've already played in the demo, but even the gameplay has been wonderful again as I'm playing it on hard mode now, and it's definitely more difficult than it was in the demo. The thing is, the cutscenes have to be some of the best I've ever seen period. Even the longest of them have managed to keep my interest perfectly. Hell, even the more mundane radio conversations are interesting, like when they talk about old horror flicks. It's actually an interesting topic for me compared to raiden/rose love melodrama
I can hardly find words to describe my amazement of what they did with graphics in this game so far, especially in those cutscenes. Literally, the only thing I didn't like so far is one 5 second shot of a bridge with Snake and Sokolov in front of it where bridge looks really shaky, like the pixels it's made of are falling apart or something. The animation is amazing, I love how the gameplay animation adapts nicely to the uneven terrain, and flows smoothly, and the cutscene animation and cinematography in general, is probably the best ever. Their faces are amazing, even their eyes look really great, and how many times can you say you saw that, except in the best looking pre-rendered FMVs? For all the talk about how people's faces look good in Half Life 2, I think they have nothing on what's on display here, and I've seen a lot of both games now. And dear God, some of those special effects really looked like something that would be impossible to pull off in realtime, but they did it seemingly without sweating the hardware. I didn't even encounter any slowdowns so far, except when running through the grass in the location #2 from the very beginning - as opposed to the demo where it was there every time enemies start swarming at you.
I loved the voice acting, btw. I think people bitch about voices in just about every game every made, but I love it so far. Major, Paramedic, Boss, all sound great, and perfect for their roles. I really love how Boss and Major sound, btw. Hayter sounds good to me, it's often obvious he's faking that voice, but so what? That fake roughness in his voice is the staplemark of the series anyways. I thought one voice was too weird for it's own good -
it was one of the freaky guys from the helicopter, the one that at one point hangs upside down from the heli.
I also have to commend them for ditching the Japanese location names from the loading transitions - and replacing them with Russian names written in perfect cyrillic! That was really heartwarming to me. as I know Russian language fairly well, and have been writing on cyrillic for most of my life
One fun thing I did at Rassvet that I couldn't do in the demo was
Pulling over the unconscious young Ocelot to the right spot, and then rolling that explosive barrel over him. Explosion threw him away, but of course, the game wouldn't let him die 
- he just remained unconscious
- he just remained unconsciousAll in all, I really can't wait to start playing it again now.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
About The Sorrow (help needed):
I read the hint, but it does no seem to work... at no time is the fake death pill or its counter-measure anything but a "no-use" 
Panajev2001a said:About The Sorrow (help needed):
I read the hint, but it does no seem to work... at no time is the fake death pill or its counter-measure anything but a "no-use"
weird...
when have you tried using it? it worked for me at the end of the river just as the sorrow was getting close...
Panajev2001a said:About The Sorrow (help needed):
I read the hint, but it does no seem to work... at no time is the fake death pill or its counter-measure anything but a "no-use"
Use it when you're dead. You might have to wait a while after the "Snake is dead" message appears though. Then hold L2 and use it like a regular item. And I think you have to get to the end of the river to use it
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Wario64 said:
Thanks.
Littleberu
Banned
Wario64 said:
How long?
Uuuuggghhhh 45 fucking minute cut-scenes are not what I would consider "immersive" to the game. I am completely detached.Panajev2001a said:
As far as I'm concerned, you're fooling yourself for where your bias lies. BUT it may just as well be because the cut-scenes drop off later into the game. It's just that I'm at a point where I've watched the game more than I've played it, and I don't like that at all. Especially since I like the gameplay so much so far.
The cut-scenes ARE very well done, though, if not a little too pretentious
Quadrophenic
Member
best cutscene I have seen so far (just got to the swamp...or first swamp if there are more) was Eva's introduction (going into first person..hahaha).
stupidest cutscene so far:
Gameplay wise its been pretty fun, and it should be getting a lot better now that I am out of the demo area. Though I did love the
And also...thank god they changed the "pressed up against a wall and go into first person" thing from the demo. Now you actually stay up against the wall while in first person....very very very very helpful.
stupidest cutscene so far:
Eva's escape on the motorcycle. ugh. The stuff between Snake and Ocelot was awesome though...just that motorcycle shit...ugh.
Gameplay wise its been pretty fun, and it should be getting a lot better now that I am out of the demo area. Though I did love the
taking out the 8 Ocelot unit Spetnazs. First time I think I have actually used a gernade, other that chaff gernade, in a MGS game. The guy on the roof, and the guy out the window...gernadowned.
And also...thank god they changed the "pressed up against a wall and go into first person" thing from the demo. Now you actually stay up against the wall while in first person....very very very very helpful.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Wasn't a problem to me. I can sit and watch things for much longer as long as it keeps my interest. In any case, I think the game becomes a lot more cutscene lite from that point on.
Really? That's great. MGS2 had that problem, and it was in MGS3 demo as well.
Just try trowing one in the group of soldiers, or hide behind the wall and throw one while peeking around. Their reactions are hilarious (but perfectly reasonable)!
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Yeah, the whole first chapter of the game is obviously just a prologue. You can tell that by actual game title sequence kicking in after it.
Littleberu said:
About 11:30 hours. Which is the same amount of time I spent for the first two MGS games on my first run through. Also note that I don't really do any extra stuff on my first run through, I tend to rush it the first time cause I really want to know what happens next
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Socreges said:
Bias lies ? Whatever dude... I guess you never find yourself immersed while reading a book or watching a great movie.
Your loss
.Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Eva + Cure view = bouncing nipples
Bias lays? Not "lies" as in "a lie".Panajev2001a said:Bias lies ? Whatever dude... I guess you never find yourself immersed while reading a book or watching a great movie.
Your loss
But no, you said "immerse yourself into the game". But I'd argue that "the game" is that which YOU PLAY and cut-scenes only serve to provide background. I appreciate that for five minutes at a time, but when I'm removed from the experience for 45 minutes, I don't like that. I did not pay money, or intend to spend my time, watching cut-scenes that are mildly entertaining and would do as much as qualify for the CBS sunday night original movie if they weren't placed in a videogame.
Anyway, you and others are obviously fans of Kojima's storytelling. I should respect that, but I truly do think you're all a little nutty.
True enough, yeah.Marconelly said:
In terms of what exactly? I don't like a lot of the voice acting, I think the dialogue is pretty weak and cliched, and the action can be annoyingly pretentious. The strengths, imo, are some of the characters. "Boss", for one, is very likeable.Lakitu said:
I'm also kind of biased against the premise itself considering I've recently studied a great deal about, and did a paper on, The Cuban Missile Crisis for my conflict resolution class. I know exactly what took place, down to the final negotiations between RFK and a Soviet minister, so I find myself rolling my eyes pretty frequently.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
Socreges said:
You sound like you're in the wrong mindset for this game if the historical accuracy of a fucking METAL GEAR SOLID GAME is seeming a tad inaccurate.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Bah, I think we'll just have to disagree on that. I'd agree that you won't find typical action movie style of directing and pacing here, it's more like a souped up comic book over the top style, but I'm enjoying those cinemas far more than some throwaway TV movie. I'm a sucker for the alternative history/present/past fantasy, though, and the characters and themes at hand appeal to me a lot.
Oh, come on... That's like playing Onimusha and complain about historical facts being diluted into demoniac fantasy.
Have you played the game any further after that long prologue sequence? I still didn't have a chance. Damn work...
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Go near her and go in the Food menu by pressing start: you can choose her name and that is the way you giv her food.
I made it clear that it's more my problem than that of the game's, which is why I said "biased against".Marconelly said:
I'm getting further in now. The pace is much better, and I'm even beginning to like the story more. It's fit into the environment that I'm playing in (so far) vs the prologue where it was all over the place.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
MGS 3 is my GOTY.
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Deleted member 1159
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Man, I can't seem to figure out what to do
. No matter what my approach, it seems like I'm seen and instantly filled with holes...I even tried shooting the explosive drums to create a distraction, but alas, it didn't work.
This is so much harder than the older ones it's not even funny. Thermal goggles are your friends, however
at the warehouse docks
This is so much harder than the older ones it's not even funny. Thermal goggles are your friends, however
Yeah, it's definitely harder. I got caught so many times when I played it...I kinda cheated though cause I would just rush through a room until I died, continue then repeat the process. Screw stealth :lol
I'm gonna restart another game though and see if I can go through it without alerting. Also, why the hell can't I choose my difficulty when I start a 2nd game? Kinda sucks...
I'm gonna restart another game though and see if I can go through it without alerting. Also, why the hell can't I choose my difficulty when I start a 2nd game? Kinda sucks...