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I'm still a good fan of Kurt warners, and i still follow his career somewhat. BUT, i can't see any chance of him being MVP. His chronic hand issue will flare up on him at some point, its never been the same since he broke it in the KC game in 2000 i think it was.

Even if he does stay healthy, he doesn't have nearly the amount of weapons around him like he did here in stl. torry holt and isaac bruce or anquan boldin? az hakim or larry fitzgerald? marshall faulk or jj arrington? all easy picks imo.

i think he'll throw for 3000 yds and put up 20-25 td's, pretty damn good season, but definitely not mvp.
 
Owens Breaks Silence, Talks to Irvin

by Andy Schwartz
ComcastSportsNet.com

Terrell Owens plans to make up with Donovan McNabb.

It’s just a matter of when.

But Owens plans to work things out with McNabb before the two play in the Eagles’ season opener against the Falcons on Sept. 12 on Monday Night Football.

For the first time since he returned from his week-long dismissal on Aug. 17, Owens has spoke with a member of the media.

In an interview with ESPN’s Michael Irvin, Owens said he hasn’t refused to talk with his teammates, and he will at some point talk with quarterback Donovan McNabb.

“I didn’t turn a deaf ear to any of my teammates,” Owens said. “If they wanted to talk to me, I talked to them. There wasn’t any situation where a player came to me and I didn’t talk to them. That’s not true. Everybody made me look like I just didn’t talk to any of my teammates, but that wasn’t the case.”

Owens cited McNabb and Hugh Douglas as two players with which he refused to speak. The three were involved in an altercation in the beginning of training camp. Owens doesn’t has to worry about talking to Douglas, who was among the Eagles’ final cuts.

As for McNabb, Owens will resume communication with his quarterback. When Irvin asked if he could succeed without talking with McNabb, Owens pointed to the preseason game against the Bengals, when he made five receptions for 131 yards, including a 64-yard TD, in the first half.

“Did you see the first preseason game? Then there you have it. But I will say, because the god is in me, I will talk to Donovan. At some particular point, the spirit will move me to talk to him, because that’s just how I am,” Owens said.

“It’s not that I hate Donovan. I love Donovan. I don’t hate him at all. I was just disappointed in a few things. I have the right to do that.

“Everybody speaks out of emotion. Everybody speaks out of frustration. Everybody’s done. That means I’m human. If you want me to go in and say I was wrong, maybe I was. Maybe I wasn’t.”

Owens plans on talking with McNabb sometime before kickoff Monday night.

“I will. I will. You guys will see. It’s not going to be a year-long thing. Leading up to this Monday Night game, things will get worked out,” Owens said.

When asked to clarify that statement, Owens insinuated that viewers will be able to find out for themselves.

“The camera is going to be on me,” Owens said. “Believe that.”

When asked to elaborate further, Owens said,

“Wait till Monday night.”

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=14993


HOORAY FOR THE EAGLES.

lets see how long this lasts....but ATL better watch out!
 
If I didnt know better I would think this entire thing was scripted. Did the NFL recently hire some WWE writers? Its all a ratings ploy!!!
 
TheDuce22 said:
If I didnt know better I would think this entire thing was scripted. Did the NFL recently hire some WWE writers? Its all a ratings ploy!!!


if it is WWE writers i bet Mcnabb turns heel on monday night!
 
We will see how long TO remains docile once him and the Eagles come into the Dome Monday night and our defense goes to town on them.
 
The only thing that worries me is the Eagles record in opening games. Its not great. Philly has the far better team on both sides of the ball though.
 
TheDuce22 said:
The only thing that worries me is the Eagles record in opening games. Its not great. Philly has the far better team on both sides of the ball though.

we do have a history of having slow starts....even in later on reg season games we seem to score more in the later quarters.

but i believe that was more of a result of an ok offense completely relying on McNabb to do everything. we have some more weaspons now...mainly TO and the do it all back westbrook.
 
effzee said:
but i believe that was more of a result of an ok offense completely relying on McNabb to do everything. we have some more weaspons now...mainly TO and the do it all back westbrook.

this is completely off topic but

I see the Eagles offense declining this year

IMO If the Eagles are going to keep thier offensive power house they are going to need a strong second wide reciever to step up, TO cant be the only wide reciever, a cover 1 defense could almost completely shut him and the passing offense down. The Steelers are sort of in the same boat with one stand out reciever, but fortunately for them, they are a power football team (strong running, and strong defense). Westbrook is not exactly a big power runner, he is more of an around the end runner and a back that gets open in the flat as most multi role backs are. Westbrook is dangerous only when a defense is more concerned about covering 2 recievers with extra bodies. But If a defense is only concerned with double coverage on one reciever (with a CB and FS), that allows the OLBs and SS to conatin westbrook during off tackle runs and recieving in the flat. There is a big weakness in this defensive tactic, up the middle running, but Westbrook powering the ball up the middle is about as effective as painting a room with a paint can and a hand grenade, it is just going to end up messy. So in other words if Greg Lewis does not have a break out year the Eagles offense is not going to be as good as it once was.

I am assuming that the O-line and tight ends (QBs best friend) remain in peek conditon, other wise the offense is really going to be hurting this year
 
TheDuce22 said:
The only thing that worries me is the Eagles record in opening games. Its not great. Philly has the far better team on both sides of the ball though.


Already starting with the disclaimers huh? :)
 
don't forget, you need to make the picks in that pick 'em league BEFORE TOMORROW'S GAME.

just a heads up.
 
DarienA said:
Michael Silver picked the Bengals to win the AFC North?!?!?!?! BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

We're predicted by 3 others to win the AFC North? God I hope so....

Yeah, but one of those three is Dr. Z, and he's a complete moron. So that cancels out his and at least one more pick, so you were really only picked by one expert.
 
WasabiKing said:
Somewhat related, I've decided to go and subscribe to a sports mag. I haven't read SI in years religiously, never even touched ESPN's mag. Any suggestions?


Depends...I find ESPN's mag a bit more readable than SI. SI has harder hitting stories, and they look back at history alot more. ESPN is all about the here and now. I preferred ESPN alot more than SI when I had a subscription to both.
 
Peter King picked the Jags out of the South....he has been the biggest Leftwich pimper out there so I'll take it with a load of salt, haha.

But we're at least a wild card team this year!
 
IMO If the Eagles are going to keep thier offensive power house they are going to need a strong second wide reciever to step up, TO cant be the only wide reciever, a cover 1 defense could almost completely shut him and the passing offense down.

We didnt even have a strong #1 untill TO got here. Greg Lewis is an upgrade over Pinkston anyway. The question is if he can stand up to the grind of an entire season as a starting WR.
 
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1337_J35U5 said:
this is completely off topic but

I see the Eagles offense declining this year

IMO If the Eagles are going to keep thier offensive power house they are going to need a strong second wide reciever to step up, TO cant be the only wide reciever, a cover 1 defense could almost completely shut him and the passing offense down. The Steelers are sort of in the same boat with one stand out reciever, but fortunately for them, they are a power football team (strong running, and strong defense). Westbrook is not exactly a big power runner, he is more of an around the end runner and a back that gets open in the flat as most multi role backs are. Westbrook is dangerous only when a defense is more concerned about covering 2 recievers with extra bodies. But If a defense is only concerned with double coverage on one reciever (with a CB and FS), that allows the OLBs and SS to conatin westbrook during off tackle runs and recieving in the flat. There is a big weakness in this defensive tactic, up the middle running, but Westbrook powering the ball up the middle is about as effective as painting a room with a paint can and a hand grenade, it is just going to end up messy. So in other words if Greg Lewis does not have a break out year the Eagles offense is not going to be as good as it once was.

I am assuming that the O-line and tight ends (QBs best friend) remain in peek conditon, other wise the offense is really going to be hurting this year


cept we didnt have that strong 2nd WR for defenses to worry about last yr. we didnt have a single WR for the defenses to worry about for the yrs b4 that and we still managed. we have had a solid D and it figures to be pretty good this yr as well. so thats 1 fundamental down....power running game? reid doesnt even know the meaning of a running game...westbrook is basically a WR who lines up in the back. we might not have the best TE(s) but lj smith is more than servicable....as for the 2nd WR for teams to worry about...pinkston was never that....and if anything lewis is a improvement. that is not to say pinkston wont be missed...he did stretch the field...but thats all he did...lewis is more of a every down WR.

if anything our OFFENSE should remain about the same as last season....thats at its worst...esp if TO is sincere and wants to make this shit work.

if all fails mcnabb can rely on his feet still.
 
According to two sources, Maurice Clarett is already $1 million in debt from legal fees for his fight with the NFL and other costs. According to associates, Clarett even turned down a traditional signing bonus of $413,000 in his original contract with Denver because lawyer David Kenner wanted incentives that would pay Clarett if he became a star. That all backfired after a series of off-field events resulted in Clarett being cut. He reported to training camp at 248 pounds (at least 20 pounds overweight), was slow to return from an injury, had run-ins with coaches and was even found drinking alcohol in the team's weight room.
-- Miami Herald

:lol I hadn't heard about that.
 
here is what Eagles fans fail to admit: no matter who your #2 guy is, it doesn't mean shit. do you know why? cause T.O. is going to cry and pout until he gets the ball. he is a great player but there is no doubt he is a cancer. i know mcnabb said "if you're open you're going to get the ball", but we'll see. it doesn't matter WHO is opposite of owens, it's not like he is going to see less double teams or something. you think there is a big difference between pinkston and lewis in the eyes of opposing defenses? the answer is no. there IS a difference between a threat and actual production, and lewis has produced very little in meaningful games. he had a TD in the superbowl against a prevent style defense, but what else? he has decent speed, so do a lot of people. i think the eagles offense will be fine providing the big 3 stay healthy, but this isn't the colts we're talking about here ladies. eagles will always be a threat with owens and westbrook, but that's honestly the extent of the serious danger to opposing defenses.
 
1337_J35U5 said:
The Steelers are sort of in the same boat with one stand out reciever, but fortunately for them, they are a power football team (strong running, and strong defense).

Am I taking crazy pills or are both Bettis and Staley hurt on the Steelers? And Bettis is a year older? What happens if the run game in Steel town comes to a halt and everybody remembers that Roth is still just a 2nd year starter?
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
here is what Eagles fans fail to admit: no matter who your #2 guy is, it doesn't mean shit. do you know why? cause T.O. is going to cry and pout until he gets the ball. he is a great player but there is no doubt he is a cancer. i know mcnabb said "if you're open you're going to get the ball", but we'll see. it doesn't matter WHO is opposite of owens, it's not like he is going to see less double teams or something. you think there is a big difference between pinkston and lewis in the eyes of opposing defenses? the answer is no. there IS a difference between a threat and actual production, and lewis has produced very little in meaningful games. he had a TD in the superbowl against a prevent style defense, but what else? he has decent speed, so do a lot of people. i think the eagles offense will be fine providing the big 3 stay healthy, but this isn't the colts we're talking about here ladies. eagles will always be a threat with owens and westbrook, but that's honestly the extent of the serious danger to opposing defenses.


ok and?

i never denied that. that wasnt the question..we all know TO is a baby when he doesnt get the money and or the ball.....depending what mood he is in. the point is that the eagles never had a real great #2 WR to compliment him last yr....and they might not have one even this yr...although i believe lewis will prove himself to be better than pinkston, but that doesnt mean our offense will all of a sudden go down the drain. as long as we have the big 3...and gasp doesn it really take a big three to win? and show me where i or any eagles fan compared our offense to the colts? i much rather have what we have...a solid offense with a great D than just an amazing O with lil to no D. with that said i do think our offense will be as good as last yr, if not better, but no it wont compete with the colts....i dont think any other O in the league can.

this offense is designed to get the ball to TO...and we did that last season...if he didnt get hurt those last 2 games he prolly would be holding some Eagles records right now.
 
skinnyrattler said:
Am I taking crazy pills or are both Bettis and Staley hurt on the Steelers? And Bettis is a year older? What happens if the run game in Steel town comes to a halt and everybody remembers that Roth is still just a 2nd year starter?

Willie Parker, dude. Remember that name.
 
I wish there was some sort of column ( I kind of remember ESPN having one last year) that had the best matchups to watch on sunday. I'm a sunday ticket subscriber and I always find myself fretting over which games to start watching (petty complaint, I know). If anyone knows of something like this, hook me up.
 
If you had the option, who would you start as QB in this week's Fantasy Football lineup--Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer?

Keep in mind that Manning is playing one of the NFL's toughest defenses in Baltimore, while Palmer torched the Cleveland Browns in their last matchup for 4 TD's and 250 yards.
 
Teddman said:
If you had the option, who would you start as QB in this week's Fantasy Football lineup--Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer?

Keep in mind that Manning is playing one of the NFL's toughest defenses in Baltimore, while Palmer torched the Cleveland Browns in their last matchup for 4 TD's and 250 yards.

Even though Manning is playing a tough defense, I am of the opinion that you never bench your studs, ever. I'd still play Manning.
 
ok and?

i never denied that. that wasnt the question..we all know TO is a baby when he doesnt get the money and or the ball.....depending what mood he is in. the point is that the eagles never had a real great #2 WR to compliment him last yr....and they might not have one even this yr...although i believe lewis will prove himself to be better than pinkston, but that doesnt mean our offense will all of a sudden go down the drain. as long as we have the big 3...and gasp doesn it really take a big three to win? and show me where i or any eagles fan compared our offense to the colts? i much rather have what we have...a solid offense with a great D than just an amazing O with lil to no D. with that said i do think our offense will be as good as last yr, if not better, but no it wont compete with the colts....i dont think any other O in the league can.

this offense is designed to get the ball to TO...and we did that last season...if he didnt get hurt those last 2 games he prolly would be holding some Eagles records right now.

i wasn't saying that anyone said you guys would compare to the colts, just using it as an example. the bottom line with T.O. is that it doesn't matter WHO the #2 is. i guarantee that whatever your guys' record ends up being this year, it would be COMPLETELY IDENTICAL with pinkston in the starting lineup instead of lewis. every offense T.O. has ever been in has been designed to get him the ball, it hasn't produced a superbowl victory yet and you can put me on record as saying it never will.
 
every offense T.O. has ever been in has been designed to get him the ball, it hasn't produced a superbowl victory yet and you can put me on record as saying it never will.

What are you trying to say here?
 
terrell owens will never be on a winning superbowl team

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
terrell owens will never be on a winning superbowl team


that might be or might not be...many great players havent won the championship. i cant sit here and debate that...and if u make that claim and it comes true than props to you....more than likely you can take more than half the great players playing today and pretty much gurantee they wont win the big one...for various reasons...and in this the "me first" attitude.


but then again TO has been on 2 OFFENSES his whole career. i hope ur not trying to tell me that SF would have gotten to the big game, let alone win it, if he wasnt on the team or that he was the sole reason that SF didnt win a superbowl during his tenure. cause thats just bull.

now in one yr he got the eagles over the hump, even though he didnt play in the playoffs....he brought certain confidence and swagger to the team...along with his baggage. now maybe im just biased but this eagles team is too well coached, too well led with great team leaders on both sides of the ball to have one man ruin all they have built....and if he acts up again during the season he will be made into an example further....he and his agent tried and failed miserably. so i dont know if he will ever win a championship but im damn sure the eagles will win....with him or without him.

the eagles didnt lose the superbowl cause of him...they were outplayed by a superior team. u can blame that all on TO but thats not his fault.
 
Teddman said:
If you had the option, who would you start as QB in this week's Fantasy Football lineup--Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer?

Keep in mind that Manning is playing one of the NFL's toughest defenses in Baltimore, while Palmer torched the Cleveland Browns in their last matchup for 4 TD's and 250 yards.

Palmer's best game is still only about as good as Manning's average game from last year. Now, I don't expect Manning to go anywhere near last year's numbers, but he could end up going huge and you don't want to leave him on the bench if he has a giant game. You could expect 250 yards and 1-2 touchdowns from Manning. That's the low end. That's better than average for Palmer.

Even if Palmer ends up playing better this weekend, Manning's the right choice. Plus, in Palmer's four touchdown game last year, he still threw three picks against a miserable defense. He actually had a much better game the next week at Baltimore.

Plus, if you sit Manning at all this year while he's not injured or idle, you made the wrong choice on draft day. Presumably, you took him in the top 5(Maybe even second overall, first if you'd lost your mind). You don't bench players taken that high because of matchups. If you're taking somebody in the first few picks, you shoul be taking somebody who you will play regardless of their opponents.
 
terrell owens will never be on a winning superbowl team

Maybe you missed his superbowl performance last year. If Mcnabb didnt play like complete garbge in the first half we would have won the game. Garcia was never a NFL caliber QB. In one year with Mcnabb he came within a td of proving you wrong.
 
TheDuce22 said:
Maybe you missed his superbowl performance last year. If Mcnabb didnt play like complete garbge in the first half we would have won the game.


No you wouldn't have, the Patriots would have just smacked the shit out of you in the second half.

They're that good.

As far as Garcia never being an NFL caliber QB, you're just showing that you are an idiot. Look at his three full years starting in San Fran. Go ahead, take a look. Try and pass that off as somebody who shouldn't have been in the NFL.
 
yeah i dont think it was a matter of if mcnabb played better or not...of course he could have played better but the pats were just the superior team.

as for individual efforts TO did do everything he could and he performed very well...so one cannot lay the blame at his feet for that loss. it was a team loss and it would have been a team victory had they won.
 
Bowser said:
Even though Manning is playing a tough defense, I am of the opinion that you never bench your studs, ever. I'd still play Manning.



agreed. sure, he may not get his usual 300+ yards(assuming your league gives points for yards), but 3 TDs is not out of the question at all
 
No you wouldn't have, the Patriots would have just smacked the shit out of you in the second half.

They're that good.

What the hell are you talking about.

1 2 3 4 OT T
NEW ENGLAND 0 7 7 10 24
PHILADELPHIA 0 7 7 7 21

We left at least 10 points on the feild in the first half thanks to turnovers. If Mcnabb didnt make those key mistakes we win the game. That is a fact as far as im concerned. The eagles were THAT good.
 
TheDuce22 said:
What the hell are you talking about.

1 2 3 4 OT T
NEW ENGLAND 0 7 7 10 24
PHILADELPHIA 0 7 7 7 21

We left at least 10 points on the feild in the first half thanks to turnovers. If Mcnabb didnt make those key mistakes we win the game. That is a fact as far as im concerned. The eagles were THAT good.

What I'm talking about is that if they were down heading into the second half of the game, the Patriots would have torn the Eagles a new asshole and completely shut them down. The Eagles were not good enough to beat the Patriots, you're just THAT delusional.
 
What I'm talking about is that if they were down heading into the second half of the game, the Patriots would have torn the Eagles a new asshole and completely shut them down. The Eagles were not good enough to beat the Patriots, you're just THAT delusional.

If the eagles didnt have those turnovers they would have been up by 2 tds and completly demoralized the pats. The game would have been a total blowout. See how easy it is to talk out of your ass? We were within 3 points of wining the game. You would think if the pats could have turned it on and blown us away at any time they would have done it. Im sure they wanted it to go down to the wire though, just to keep their fans entertained.
 
If the eagles didnt have those turnovers they would have been up by 2 tds and completly demoralized the pats. The game would have been a total blowout. See how easy it is to talk out of your ass? We were within 3 points of wining the game. You would think if the pats could have turned it on and blown us away at any time they would have done it. Im sure they wanted it to go down to the wire though, just to keep their fans entertained.

if the eagles didn't have those turnovers they would have automatically gotten TD's on those drives? wtf?
 
No, im just saying those turnovers were the key plays in the game. If we (Mcnabb) didnt make those mistakes it would have had a huge impact, we were in feildgoal range both times. I dont buy this crap that the pats have a switch they can flip at any time and blow anyone away.
 
i don't buy it either and i think the pats are anything but dominant. still, the pats were playing vanilla offense for much of the 4th.

i was rooting for the eagles to win (i have a strong dislike for the pats), but it was clear to me very early on that the pats were always going to have an answer and always going to be one step ahead of the eagles
 
TheDuce22 said:
No, im just saying those turnovers were the key plays in the game. If we (Mcnabb) didnt make those mistakes it would have had a huge impact, we were in feildgoal range both times. I dont buy this crap that the pats have a switch they can flip at any time and blow anyone away.


Zero playoff losses since Brady took over(since Bellichick came to the team).

Zero.


Not one.

Do you even get how small a number that is?


I'm not a Patriots fan, and I'm surely not an Eagles fan. But never at any point during that game did I think the Patriots were in danger of losing. Can anybody here actually say that they thought the Eagles were going to score when time was running down and take the lead, or even tie it? Not if you're being honest you can't. I don't care how close the score was, the Eagles never had a chance. Just like the Colts haven't stood a chance against the Patriots, just like the Steelers couldn't have hoped to beat them last year, just like the Panthers in the Super Bowl before. It looked close if you weren't watching the game. It wasn't close. The Eagles were out of it even when they were winning.

This discussion isn't going to go anywhere. You can keep on with your "But only if the Eagles were a lot better and the Patriots were a lot worse, then the Eagles would have won! If McNabb played perfectly and the defense made stops when they had to, we could have totally blown them out!" bullshit, and I'll keep with my insane "Staying well grounded in reality" ramblings.
 
The Patroits have earned a certian ammount of respect but to say the eagles were out of it even when they were winning, thats nonsense. If 2004 Mcnabb showed up instead of 2001-2003 NFC championship game Mcnabb in the first half it would have been a whole different story. He threw THREE interceptions, after only throwing like 8 all year. The one to westbrook in the endzone had nothing to do with scheme, he just underthrew the ball by 10 yards. The pats werent a clearly superior team. They arent invincible.
 
On a serious note--How many times will I allow myself to get sucked into this same pointless argument? It's had to have happened a half dozen times at least since the Super Bowl ended.
 
TheDuce22 said:
What the hell are you talking about.

1 2 3 4 OT T
NEW ENGLAND 0 7 7 10 24
PHILADELPHIA 0 7 7 7 21

We left at least 10 points on the feild in the first half thanks to turnovers. If Mcnabb didnt make those key mistakes we win the game. That is a fact as far as im concerned. The eagles were THAT good.

Totally amazing what happens when you play against good teams, cough the afc cough. Really.

I actually stopped mid-post on this and decided I'd look up Phillys record against the AFC last year..

Won at cleveland in OT 34-31.. ok
Beat Ravens at home 15-10
Lost to Steelers 3-27
L to Bengals 10-38 Could probably be thrown out.
L to NE 21-24

I'm not really meaning to bang on Philly.. I've rather supported them the last few years as I like Reid and his no-nonsense Marty Schottenheimer (without the cheerleader banging) approach. He just seems like the guy sitting next to you at the bar over-analyzing everyone. Man, the last few years I remember there being a ton of Iggle fans but it seems absurd this year :\ I liked the Eagle team, go SOLID D.. I think it'll happen and I'll be excited for the Chief rotation back to all D mediocre O. I just feel like the Iggles would be another team scraping for a playoff birth in some of the tougher AFC divisions.
 
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