Official NFL Week 15 Topic: This thread title, like the Panthers, is snoozetastic
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Rorschach said:...if it got to the back or side, then it already crossed the plane when it was thrown.
True, but this year, or did it start last year, they eliminated the idea that the goal line extends all around the world. So now, if the ball is snagged from out of bounds on the side of the endzone, it technically never crossed the line. See how stupid some of the these rules are?
Once again, like i said last night, everyone that was quoting me acting like i was some type of moron, can have a nice warm glass of stfu. Thanks.Spectral Glider said:
Ps Steelers fans, your welcome for the Titans loss, if our defense can make Collins look that bad and keep them out of the endzone you guys should be able to pull the shutout.
Harson, you're the late news.
As for the controversy yesterday, so far we have:
Post Game Ruling:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-1-306/Referee--Ball-broke-the-plane.html
Video Evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx1ZWUJUPgc&fmt=18
Visual Evidence:
I can definitely see the football break the plane in two of the provided angles (Angle listed above and the vertical shot in the video) so I can sort of see where the referees were coming from with their decision, provided that they interpreted the rule as the ball breaks the plane.
Had we not got the touchdown, would we have went for the touchdown and 4th and inches or would we have taken it into overtime with the field goal? I guess we'll never know but I personally don't feel bad for the Ravens, the Ravens showed a complete inability to move the ball for the second halves entirety and the defense seem to let up in the final minutes. While biased, I think the better team came out with the win.
Great game though Raven's fans. I don't mean to be an asshole by this next comment but I hope the Cowboys knock you out of the playoffs next week, having to beat you guys a 3rd consecutive time in the post season makes me severely uneasy.
Post Game Ruling:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-1-306/Referee--Ball-broke-the-plane.html
Video Evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx1ZWUJUPgc&fmt=18
Visual Evidence:
I can definitely see the football break the plane in two of the provided angles (Angle listed above and the vertical shot in the video) so I can sort of see where the referees were coming from with their decision, provided that they interpreted the rule as the ball breaks the plane.
Had we not got the touchdown, would we have went for the touchdown and 4th and inches or would we have taken it into overtime with the field goal? I guess we'll never know but I personally don't feel bad for the Ravens, the Ravens showed a complete inability to move the ball for the second halves entirety and the defense seem to let up in the final minutes. While biased, I think the better team came out with the win.
Great game though Raven's fans. I don't mean to be an asshole by this next comment but I hope the Cowboys knock you out of the playoffs next week, having to beat you guys a 3rd consecutive time in the post season makes me severely uneasy.
Spectral Glider
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I would just like some clarification on what the rule actually is. It wouldn't surprise me if there's another rule tucked away (pun intended) somewhere that some of the refs aren't fully aware of. And from some of the stuff I've heard so far, it may be true, in this instance it may not have mattered where the ball was. The league really does bring some of this crap down on itself. Not that I'm complaining about the W, but some of these rules are wonky.
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Titans players are kinda assholes. Making excuses, passive-aggressive comments towards the winning team in their loss.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=281214034
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=281214034
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Mr. Snrub said:
Fisher not trying that FG was just bizarre. I don't buy his wind argument either, he'll send him out for 60 yard attempts, but 49 in the wind, not a chance! I dunno, I didn't get it.
As someone who went to the game, I don't get it either. I watched him him 50+ yarders in pre game warm-ups. there was hardly any wind outside the stadium when I arrived. HOWEVER... there was significant wind when I left (about 20 minutes after his decision). So it's possible the wind was a major factor (it was also swirling at ground level). I think he would had made it had he attempted the field goal. And if fisher was afraid of giving us good field position, then I don't understand why he'd call a low percentage play on 4th down.
Finnegan was just mad for getting torched by 'Dre. He had two personal fouls one for helmet to helmet on Schaub and one for spearing Owen Daniels when he was already on the ground.Mr. Snrub said:
Bitter tears and all that. Classless organization from the Owner on down, with the exception of Fisher who is a class act.
The Titans are overrated, I've been saying it all year. One and done in the playoffs wouldnt surprise me at all.
My season tickets are in the north endzone, the direction the Titans were going in the 4th. The wind was swirling and in pretty big gusts. In warm ups we were watching Bironas and he was struggling with kicks at 45 and 50 yards. Still I go for the field goal, Collins looked horrible all day, and the Texans had stopped the running game 7 times for a loss.
The best part was 3 annoying Vince Young fans sitting right behind me freaking out at any little play the Titans got, they left early like little bitches, like most VY fans.
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Tom Penny said:
Well, I thought it was a brilliant call.
Good for Ellis, btw. He's been there the longest so it was nice to see him not suffer through another horrible loss for at least one week.bionic77 said:
The Steelers currently are, no question, definitely in the 4th quarter and definitely when it counts. Big catches from Ward yesterday.
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Tamanon said:
Plus, he's just a shit stirrer. He'll say whatever just to cause a big reaction, whether he really believes it or not.
Ok guys,
I was just messing with the playoff scenario app and here's the best possible scenario for the Falcons,
We win the next two games (MIN and STL)
Tampa drops one of their last 2 (SD and OAK)
Carolina drops their next 2 (NYG and NO)
That happens then it looks like we could actually wind the division, get the 2nd seed, and a first round bye.
I have to say it doesn't look that far fetched to me.
I was just messing with the playoff scenario app and here's the best possible scenario for the Falcons,
We win the next two games (MIN and STL)
Tampa drops one of their last 2 (SD and OAK)
Carolina drops their next 2 (NYG and NO)
That happens then it looks like we could actually wind the division, get the 2nd seed, and a first round bye.
I have to say it doesn't look that far fetched to me.
Tamanon said:
Yeah, if we lose out and the Bucs, Boys, and Falcons win out, we miss the playoffs. At 11-5. While Arizona will likely finish 9-7 (and maybe even 8-8) and yet they've already clinched their division. WTF. I hope we win next week so we don't even have to worry about the NO game.
my name is ed
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blah blah why dont you make the playoffs alreadycaptive said:
Wow you sound just like the Titans players.my name is ed said:
More bitter tears. Awesome, this is what it feels like.
One and done. :lol
I could go on and on warning you how the Oilers consistently broke Houston fans hearts but ill just let you enjoy your 12 wins and you get to find out what its like first hand. Just too bad it wont be Buffalo, again.
Same franchise, different name, same result.
pollo said:Kolb should get the start tonight, the spark the Eagles need
i wanna see kolb in the 4rth qrt. hopefully the eagles are up by 3 TDs by then and westbrook and mcnabb can rest up.
but i just get this feeling that even if the eagles win it will be very close. the eagles play down to the level of competition.
harSon said:As for the controversy yesterday, so far we have:
Post Game Ruling:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-1-306/Referee--Ball-broke-the-plane.html
Video Evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx1ZWUJUPgc&fmt=18
Visual Evidence:
I can definitely see the football break the plane in two of the provided angles (Angle listed above and the vertical shot in the video) so I can sort of see where the referees were coming from with their decision, provided that they interpreted the rule as the ball breaks the plane.
Had we not got the touchdown, would we have went for the touchdown and 4th and inches or would we have taken it into overtime with the field goal? I guess we'll never know but I personally don't feel bad for the Ravens, the Ravens showed a complete inability to move the ball for the second halves entirety and the defense seem to let up in the final minutes. While biased, I think the better team came out with the win.
Great game though Raven's fans. I don't mean to be an asshole by this next comment but I hope the Cowboys knock you out of the playoffs next week, having to beat you guys a 3rd consecutive time in the post season makes me severely uneasy.
My last word on this situation: Did the ball break the plane? It's disputable, it can go either way, but it probably did by a hair. I wouldn't have had any problem if it was initially ruled a touchdown and I would be upset if it was overturned on further review. And that's the sticking point here. The original call was no touchdown, and the purpose of the review system is to overturn calls that are undeniably, indisputably incorrect. Can we say for certain that the call was indisputably incorrect? That there was CLEAR evidence that the ball crossed the plane? In my mind, no; it's too close to call. The ref went against the spirit of the replay rule. Calls are only supposed to be overturn, as Holmgren said, if "50 drunks in a bar" can agree the original call was definitely wrong.
I'm not taking anything away from the Steelers win, mind you. To go 92 yards against second best defense in the league in two minutes takes precision and guts, and there's no doubt the Steelers are one of the, if not the, best teams in the league. But the ref absolutely violated the spirit of the replay rule, went against the original call of one of his crew, and made his own decision based on his interpretation of the play, and that I can't agree with.
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Yeah, if anything can be said about the Steelers offense, it's that they have an incredible knack for last-minute, end-game drives. I don't know why they can't just do that for the ENTIRE game though. It gives me a heart attack every game. :'(
I don't feel comfortable at all with anyone calling the Steelers the best team in the league. They aren't. I still think the Titans are the team to beat, regardless of the loss yesterday. We'll see who the real team to beat is next week with the Steeler vs. Titans game.
What's up with the Giants? I'd like to think this isn't because of the Burress thing, but you never know. Hopefully they can find themselves once again and get some offense going. I enjoy watching them play.
But I really do think the best team in the league right now is the Panthers. They've been impressing me the most the last couple of weeks, and I think they're going to be a huuuuge force in the playoffs.
Here's my picks so far:
Thu, Dec. 11
NO @ CHI
Sun, Dec. 14
TB @ ATL
SF @ MIA
SEA @ STL
BUF @ NYJ
SD @ KC
WAS @ CIN
TEN @ HOU
GB @ JAC
DET @ IND
MIN @ ARI
PIT @ BAL
DEN @ CAR
NE @ OAK
NYG @ DAL
8-7
I don't feel comfortable at all with anyone calling the Steelers the best team in the league. They aren't. I still think the Titans are the team to beat, regardless of the loss yesterday. We'll see who the real team to beat is next week with the Steeler vs. Titans game.
What's up with the Giants? I'd like to think this isn't because of the Burress thing, but you never know. Hopefully they can find themselves once again and get some offense going. I enjoy watching them play.
But I really do think the best team in the league right now is the Panthers. They've been impressing me the most the last couple of weeks, and I think they're going to be a huuuuge force in the playoffs.
Here's my picks so far:
Thu, Dec. 11
NO @ CHI
Sun, Dec. 14
TB @ ATL
SF @ MIA
SEA @ STL
BUF @ NYJ
SD @ KC
WAS @ CIN
TEN @ HOU
GB @ JAC
DET @ IND
MIN @ ARI
PIT @ BAL
DEN @ CAR
NE @ OAK
NYG @ DAL
8-7
Bowser said:
As a completely biased Steelers fan, I have to say that I agree with you in the sense of the rules. I didn't read the entire conversation going on here since I wasn't online during the game, but I thought that in the sense of the indisputable evidence, it wasn't there. However, I've noticed more and more that refs are not using that facet of the rule anymore. More and more in replays it seems like they are using a lesser standard to overturn calls, and I feel like it gets more inexplicable every year.
The refs in that game were awful yesterday on both sides. Random spots, weird calls and no calls all over the place, it was just ugly all around. But hey, I'll take it. Only thing that would've been better would have been seeing Hines lay out a Raven again. On another note, I really hope Simms and Nantz don't do the game against the Titans next week. They are just awful. No emotion, no excitement, completely missing yardages (I think Nantz missed at least 50% of his yard estimates). How is this a #1 announcing duo?
BrandNew said:
The Giants struggles are directly because of the absence of Burress and Jacobs. It is just too hard to win in this league without your #1 WR and #1 RB; if the Panthers lost Smith and Williams, I'd say our record would be a lot closer to 3-11 then 11-3. I think a lot of people, including me, underestimated the importance of Jacobs to that team; Ward and Bradshaw benefited from having Jacobs pound and wear out a defense. And say what you will about Burress and his off field antics, but he will go out there and win you games on the field. I have no doubt in my mind he wouldn't have just stood and watched Newman intercept that ball like Hixon did. It seems weird, but nearly all top receivers are headcases, but what makes them stubborn and hard headed is what makes them so good; they will never give up on a ball. Coupled with injuries on the offensive line, I think the Giants are in real trouble if they can't at least get Jacobs back soon.
As for the Panthers, I'm comfortable saying we are a top 5 team, but I'll wait until the Giants game to assess where we truly are. Jake, while playing a good game yesterday, still seems a bit off; he tends to seem wary in a solid pocket, much less a collapsing one, and he is still sailing a few balls (two of which would've went for sure touchdowns yesterday). If he can continue to work out the kinks, I will be much more comfortable with the offense. On the defensive side, I thought we were headed for another sub-par showing against the pass after Cutler racked up 83 yds and 10 pts in the first quarter, but then we stepped it up and held him to 89 yds and 0 pts thereafter; if we can play like that consistently, I have a lot of faith in this team to get it done.
MetatronM said:
if the Giants had won last night, then lost to Car next week, 1st seed would not have been final until week 17. The "if the Giants lose tonight" thing was setting up the scenario of next week's game being the ONLY deciding factor for 1/2 seeding, which it now is.
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hahaha. ultimate failure.
shpankey said:question to the experts: do you really have to "break" the plane of the goaline? i was always under the impression the ball only had to become tangent with the outer most part of the goaline to be a touchdown (?). Like this...
forgive the simplicity.
I was always under the impression that the white strip before the endzone was the plane?
Spectral Glider
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Why not be like hockey and make it so the whole ball has to be across?
Spectral Glider said:
That's just as difficult as the current rule, possibly even worst. You'll end up with challenges on whether part of the ball is not completely within the end zone and I'd imagine a rule like this would be insanely difficult for a referee to call correctly on the fly.
Spectral Glider
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shpankey said:to me the "plane" was always the imaginary vertical plane that extended up towards the sky from the outer most part of the goaline...
..though I think we may be talking about the same thing.
Yeah, I think you're talking about the same thing to. But love the drawings, got any more?
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