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Revengeance said:
Sigh. Sad Obama lost, but it ain't over yet.

If Hillary wins I'll be voting for her long before I vote for anyone on the Republican side. I actually think she'd do a fine job, I just like Obama better.
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ditto
 
grandjedi6 said:
If the person is qualified it shouldn't matter who they are related to
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We have 300 million people in this country. Two immediate families stand to control our country for 28 consecutive years. That's more than 10% of the entire tenure of the United States of America controlled by two immediate families.

Yes. I don't care how qualified they are. There has to be a point where we realize that Hillary Clinton is only a viable candidate because of free points she gets from Bill's legacy coattails and that alone should be enough for us to rally and shut her out in favor of someone with the same appeal but without the free points.
 
Juice said:
We have 300 million people in this country. Two immediate families stand to control our country for 28 consecutive years. That's more than 10% of the entire tenure of the United States of America controlled by two immediate families.

Yes. I don't care how qualified they are. There has to be a point where we realize that Hillary Clinton is only a viable candidate because of free points she gets from Bill's legacy coattails and that alone should be enough for us to rally and shut her out in favor of someone with the same appeal but without the free points.
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What color is the sky in your world?

And so long Mr. Richardson

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080110/D8U2MD7O2.html
 
We shouldn't get too down on Clinton taking NH, after all, she and Obama got the same number of delegates out of it, and that's the point that matters.
 
Rove: Obama's 'Smarmy, Prissy' Slap Helped Clinton

(CNSNews.com) - Karl Rove told Cybercast News Service in an interview Wednesday that Sen. Hillary Clinton's New Hampshire campaign was helped when she responded in a smiling, self-deprecating manner when asked during Saturday night's televised debate why some voters had an issue with her "likeability" and that her rival Sen. Barack Obama only enhanced the positive impact for Clinton when he responded like "a smarmy, prissy little guy taking a slap at her."

Rove said he also believes Clinton's now-famous emotional moment in a Portsmouth, N.H., coffee shop helped turn her campaign around.

"She benefited from two moments that helped humanize her and caused people to remember the positive things about her rather than have Democrats dwell on the concerns they had about her," the former top White House advisor told Cybercast News Service.

"One of them was in the debate, where she got the question about ... the fact people don't like you, and rather than being petulant and angry she responded with a smile on her face and a laugh, saying that hurt her feelings, then said I'll try and push on somehow. Then that moment was, I think, made even better for her by the fact that Barack Obama, who was having a mediocre night in my opinion, rather than keeping his mouth shut proceeded to say, 'They like you well enough.' So, he looked like a smarmy, prissy little guy taking a slap at her. I think that helped her."

Rove, whom President Bush cited as "the architect" of his victorious 2004 reelection campaign, said of Clinton's emotional moment in the coffee shop: "Now, look, I know there is a lot of controversy on this. It says something about the peoples' concern about Hillary Clinton that we are having a debate as to whether or not that was a real moment. But I think it is a real moment. And I think a lot of people look at it, and particularly Democrats, who said, you know, I may have a concern about her. I'm really concerned about whether we're-you know, she is calculating everything. And that was one moment where if you saw it or heard about it, it was hard not to think that was a real moment. I think those two things helped her."

In the Saturday night debate hosted by ABC News and WMUR-TV, Scott Spradling of WMUR asked Clinton: "What can you say to the voters of New Hampshire on this stage tonight who see a resume and like it, but are hesitating on the likability issue, where they seem to like Barack Obama more?"

A smiling Clinton elicited laughter from the audience, when she responded: "Well, that hurts my feelings. ... But I'll try to go on."

"He's very likable," she then said about Obama. "I agree with that. I don't think I'm that bad."

To this, Obama, while looking down at his notes, said: "You're likable enough, Hillary."

In his interview with Cybercast News Service, Rove also stressed the importance to the Republican Party of maintaining its coalition of economic, social and foreign policy conservatives.

"I do think every Republican candidate that I see out there this year understands that we are a coalition of economic conservatives, social conservatives and foreign policy conservatives and that to be successful as a party we have to be knit together as a coalition," he said.

He was critical, however, of this year's truncated primary process, which he believes puts a greater premium on the ability to raise money than the quality of the candidates. It is in the interest of the country to change the nominating system, he argued.

"I am not advocating necessarily that you do away with Iowa and New Hampshire. I just think the process ought to be set up in a way so that there is more chance for more people in the country to have meaningful participation in this," he said.

"Again, this system does not mitigate against the power of money. It strengthens the power of money. Since we began this system, we have been more likely to see self-funders. That is to say, as we have gotten into a place where these things are earlier, shorter, and more of them, we have gotten into a place that places a premium more on money than the quality of the candidate," Rove added.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200801/POL20080109e.html
 
perryfarrell said:
Some of you Hilary-haters are just silly.

I bet that if you read the detailed proposals on how to fix the country of the Obama and Hilary campaigns, you could barely tell which one was which.

Personal issues are hardly relevant--you're voting for the ideas people stand for, and Obama and Hilary really aren't that different.
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Quoted again because even after nearly two pages, it still stands.
 
Zeed said:
And it'll be an even shittier democracy with Hillary in charge.

Edwards need to do the right thing and sacrifice himself so that Obama can pull through. What would Kamina do?
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I think Edwards is thinking "hmm, a black man and a white woman are ahead of me right now. I'm going to stay in this thing a bit more and see if people come to their senses." Edwards annoys the hell out of me but I still think he's the most "electable" dem in the race. I don't see Hillary beating anyone, and I can already see the smears/dirt that could destroy Obama's righteous ass
 
Cooter said:
Please tell me your not counting her years as the president's wife as experience. I'll give you the senate career but that's it.
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I wasn't actually commenting on Hillary's experience either way, just commenting on the ideal

Juice said:
We have 300 million people in this country. Two immediate families stand to control our country for 28 consecutive years. That's more than 10% of the entire tenure of the United States of America controlled by two immediate families.

Yes. I don't care how qualified they are. There has to be a point where we realize that Hillary Clinton is only a viable candidate because of free points she gets from Bill's legacy coattails and that alone should be enough for us to rally and shut her out in favor of someone with the same appeal but without the free points.
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Of course you want fresh blood eventualy but you shouldn't not vote for someone just because of their name or relations

Killthee said:
According to the AP, he just did.
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Now lets see who he made a deal with.
 
unomas said:
Obama is the only Demo I could vote for in the general over a Republican so I hope he takes it.
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Huh?

If you hope he takes it then you want to vote Democratic but then you say the only guy you would vote over a Republican would be him. And considering Obama is closer to Clinton than any other Republican candidate I find that comment odd.

Seriously if you guys want to blame anybody for Bush being in the White House for the past 8 years you can pin it on fickle people who need a "perfect" Democrat while anybody with an R next to their name that is against abortion will do for Republican voters.

Also everyone telling Edwards to exit really need to STFU.

Delegate count right now:

Obama 25
Clinton 24
Edwards 18

There is NO reason for Edwards to be gone now. It would be utterly stupid to do so. All it would take would be a comment out of Obama/Clinton or a Dean scream and then he'd be right back in the game. He should probably exit after the next couple of states since he will be out of money and they will have more delegates but to say it now is stupid.
 
NWO said:
Huh?

If you hope he takes it then you want to vote Democratic but then you say the only guy you would vote over a Republican would be him. And considering Obama is closer to Clinton than any other Republican candidate I find that comment odd.

Seriously if you guys want to blame anybody for Bush being in the White House for the past 8 years you can pin it on fickle people who need a "perfect" Democrat while anybody with an R next to their name that is against abortion will do for Republican voters.

Also everyone telling Edwards to exit really need to STFU.

Delegate count right now:

Obama 25
Clinton 24
Edwards 18

There is NO reason for Edwards to be gone now. It would be utterly stupid to do so. All it would take would be a comment out of Obama/Clinton or a Dean scream and then he'd be right back in the game. He should probably exit after the next couple of states since he will be out of money and they will have more delegates but to say it now is stupid.
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Now while I believe Edwards can still comeback and obviously shouldn't drop out, the differene between the 3 is far greater when you count superdelegates: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226020
 
Stoney Mason said:
I'd like some information from anybody for 2004 for the percentage of blacks that voted in the 2004 primary.
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But this time they've been motivated by hope and change, just like the young people in new hampshire.
 
Stoney Mason said:
I'd like some information from anybody for 2004 for the percentage of blacks that voted in the 2004 primary.
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I think somewhere around 45% of the voters were black for the democrats. They where split between Kerry and Edwards if I remember correctly
 
LOLZ at any Obama supporter who votes republican rather than voting Hillary on Election day (in a scenario where Obama loses.)

If Obama loses and Edward drops (which Edwards will do eventually), you'll see them both pledge support for Clinton, just as Clinton would pledge support for Obama in the end if she lost and he won.

It's all the more ridiculous when you consider how close Obama is to Hillary on a wide array of positions. People really think there is a GOP candidate that is closer to Obama than Hillary? What-what-WHAT?
 
Still don't see how out of a nation of 300 million, some people think it's a good idea to have two families in power for 28years straight. It's going to be way too late before this country is going to realise the damage this has done and will do. I will vote republican before I vote Hillary. Shit, I'd vote for Britney Spears before I vote Hillary.
 
nerbo said:
LOLZ at any Obama supporter who votes republican rather than voting Hillary on Election day (in a scenario where Obama loses.)

If Obama loses and Edward drops (which Edwards will do eventually), you'll see them both pledge support for Clinton, just as Clinton would pledge support for Obama in the end if she lost and he won.

It's all the more ridiculous when you consider how close Obama is to Hillary on a wide array of positions. People really think there is a GOP candidate that is closer to Obama than Hillary? What-what-WHAT?
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I would personally not vote before voting for Hillary, call me ignorant all you want but I simply refuse to spend any amount of my life supporting that chameleon.
 
ndiicm said:
Still don't see how out of a nation of 300 million, some people think it's a good idea to have two families in power for 28years straight. It's going to be way too late before this country is going to realise the damage this has done and will do. I will vote republican before I vote Hillary. Shit, I'd vote for Britney Spears before I vote Hillary.
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Bill Clinton did a lot of damage, huh?

If you can't see the difference between the Clinton's and the Bush's, you're either blind or stupid.
 
harSon said:
I would personally not vote before voting for Hillary, call me ignorant all you want but I simply refuse to spend any amount of my life supporting that chameleon.
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That's more respectable than voting for a Republican to spite her if you are an Obama supporter. Big difference.
 
nerbo said:
Bill Clinton did a lot of damage, huh?

If you can't see the difference between the Clinton's and the Bush's, you're either blind or stupid.
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Doesn't change the fact that having so much power within two families over several consecutive terms is not good.
 
Irreparable damage to country
Therefore
Vote Britney Spears
harSon said:
Doesn't change the fact that having so much power within two families over several consecutive terms is not good.
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Just curious-- why? Why is it bad if democratically elected presidents are of the same family? You are acting like they have corrupted the system and are forcing their dynasty upon the people.
 
Y2Kev said:
Just curious-- why? Why is it bad if democratically elected presidents are of the same family? You are acting like they have corrupted the system and are forcing their dynasty upon the people.
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Same here,I find it perplexing that people think that it's bad.
 
Y2Kev said:
Just curious-- why? Why is it bad if democratically elected presidents are of the same family? You are acting like they have corrupted the system and are forcing their dynasty upon the people.
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Well, it's not bad per se... but it is suspect. Do you think an idiot ætheling like George W would have made it had he not had his daddy's surname [and his brother's dodgy state] to call on?
 
Y2Kev said:
Irreparable damage to country
Therefore
Vote Britney Spears


Just curious-- why? Why is it bad if democratically elected presidents are of the same family? You are acting like they have corrupted the system and are forcing their dynasty upon the people.
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It is dubious, and you run the risk of creating a situation in which Presidents will only stand a chance at election if they have the 'name value' of being from a certain family. Most people won't buy 'other cola' when they can have Pepsi or Coke, and if it becomes so ingrained on people that these families are the de facto rulers of the nation there is a very big chance that you create a similar situation in the political world.
 
John Kerry just endorsed Barack Obama. They will be doing a joint appearance in SC at 11. Seems like Kerry is going to be campaigning for him in SC.
 
Cheebs said:
John Kerry just endorsed Barack Obama. They will be doing a joint appearance in SC at 11. Seems like Kerry is going to be campaigning for him in SC.
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I think that's decent news for Obama. For all the mockery aimed at Kerry, he energised the Democratic base in a HUGE way in 2004 and even if it was primarily an anti-Bush vote, he'll be remembered for that - Time has, in a sense, been kind to him as a lot of people realise what a terrible error it was in not opting for him. Bush just energised the Christian right and prayed on fears horribly to an even greater extent. But then it's much easier to scare people than it is to give them hope.
 
It reminds me of when Al Gore endorsed Howard Dean in 2004. Also, do people actually remember Kerry fondly? He was not a very exciting candidate, just an anti-Bush guy. I mean the endorsement won't hurt but I don't think it really helps much, as is the case with most endorsements.
 
It's important because Kerry is a superdelegate and he has a democrat mailing list 3 million strong from 2004, larger than any other person in the party. It is highly expected he'll give that list to Obama.
 
TheDrowningMan said:
I think that's decent news for Obama. For all the mockery aimed at Kerry, he energised the Democratic base in a HUGE way in 2004 and even if it was primarily an anti-Bush vote, he'll be remembered for that - Time has, in a sense, been kind to him as a lot of people realise what a terrible error it was in not opting for him. Bush just energised the Christian right and prayed on fears horribly to an even greater extent. But then it's much easier to scare people than it is to give them hope.
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John Kerry is a nice man who people should be proud of for many reasons but he has about as much charisma and swing in the party as a dead toad. Non-story really for me in the long term.
 
Sir Fragula said:
Well, it's not bad per se... but it is suspect. Do you think an idiot ætheling like George W would have made it had he not had his daddy's surname [and his brother's dodgy state] to call on?
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Why should I blame Bush for Americans voting for him (at least the second time lulz)?
 
Piper Az said:
This is more of a good news than bad news. Obama lacks well-known core Democrats. If Gore supports Obama, it would be even better.
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That'd be cool, but isn't Gore more in bed with Clinton?

Or he'll probably endorse the greenest candidate...Who's that?
 
An appeal made by Kerry to his huge email list should be worth a million or two dollars in small campaign donors. That's not chump change, especially when looking at the huge wholesale politics of Feb 5th.

Kerry might also be able to swing some more Northeastern liberals to Obama's camp to help blunt the Feb. 5th advantage that Clinton should enjoy in the New York and Massachusetts primaries.

Finally, Kerry's nomination beings in more positive press to Team Obama and keep the "Clinton has the momentum, she's UNSTOPPABLE" narrative off of the news.

This is a key endorsement for Obama for sure.
 
Tieno said:
Seriously? He was Clinton's vice-president, thought they were BFF.
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Election101: Running mates are often not friends and only get along for their own advancement, they often have different views and are used by the winner of the primary to reach out to more voters they couldn't get with only one political viewpoint.
 
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