Official NH Primary Results Thread

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I think the Michigan thing is going to hurt the democrats.

If I were a voter there, Id be pissed that my vote meant nothing, and maybe even consider voting for another party or not at all in November.
 
jamesinclair said:
I think the Michigan thing is going to hurt the democrats.

If I were a voter there, Id be pissed that my vote meant nothing, and maybe even consider voting for another party or not at all in November.
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no one remembers what happens in the primaries once the general hits.
 
jamesinclair said:
I think the Michigan thing is going to hurt the democrats.

If I were a voter there, Id be pissed that my vote meant nothing, and maybe even consider voting for another party or not at all in November.
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Don't forget it also affects Florida, they're not allowed in the convention either:P At least the Republicans were smart and protested, but still let their votes count.
 
Tamanon said:
Don't forget it also affects Florida, they're not allowed in the convention either:P At least the Republicans were smart and protested, but still let their votes count.
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yeah. as a floridian, im pretty pissed.
 
Tamanon said:
Don't forget it also affects Florida, they're not allowed in the convention either:P At least the Republicans were smart and protested, but still let their votes count.
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Democrats on the national level are always idiots.
 
jamesinclair said:
I think the Michigan thing is going to hurt the democrats.

If I were a voter there, Id be pissed that my vote meant nothing, and maybe even consider voting for another party or not at all in November.
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That'd be pretty fucking stupid. Michigan residents aren't going to actively vote against their best interests because of a squabble that is irrelevant by that point.
 
Dan said:
That'd be pretty fucking stupid. Michigan residents aren't going to actively vote against their best interests because of a squabble that is irrelevant by that point.
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Really?

Have you ever seen an election year?:P
 
Dan said:
That'd be pretty fucking stupid. Michigan residents aren't going to actively vote against their best interests because of a squabble that is irrelevant by that point.
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While I don't think they would necessarily do that it is a wasted opportunity to gather energy and excitement and media attention and increase voter registration in battle ground states.
 
perryfarrell said:
Some of you Hilary-haters are just silly.

I bet that if you read the detailed proposals on how to fix the country of the Obama and Hilary campaigns, you could barely tell which one was which.

Personal issues are hardly relevant--you're voting for the ideas people stand for, and Obama and Hilary really aren't that different.
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Obama's internet proposal

Deploy a Modern Communications Infrastructure

To realize Barack Obama’s vision of an interconnected democracy, the nation deserves the finest and most modern communications infrastructure in the world. The technology sector has helped keep the United States at the center of innovation and the job growth and wealth creation that has accompanied it. However, while the United States once led the world in Internet deployment, the Bush administration has surrendered that leadership through its indifference to technology and its lack of understanding of the 21st century economy. By rededicating our nation to ensuring that all Americans have access to broadband and the skills to use it effectively, Barack Obama will position our citizens, particularly our young people, to compete and succeed in an increasingly technology-rich, knowledge-based economy.

* Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama believes that America should lead the world in broadband penetration and Internet access. As a country, we have ensured that every American has access to telephone service and electricity, regardless of economic status, and Obama will do likewise for broadband Internet access. Full broadband penetration can enrich democratic discourse, enhance competition, provide economic growth, and bring significant consumer benefits. Moreover, improving our infrastructure will foster competitive markets for Internet access and services that ride on that infrastructure. Obama believes we can get true broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation’s wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives. Specifically, Obama proposes the following policies to restore America’s world leadership in this arena:

o Redefine "broadband:" The Federal Communications Commission today defines "broadband" as an astonishingly low 200 kbps. This distorts federal policy and hamstrings efforts to broaden broadband access. Obama will define "broadband" for purposes of national policy at speeds demanded by 21st century business and communications.


o Universal Service Reform: Obama will establish a multi-year plan with a date certain to change the Universal Service Fund program from one that supports voice communications to one that supports affordable broadband, with a specific focus on reaching previously un-served communities.


o Unleashing the Wireless Spectrum: Obama will confront the entrenched Washington interests that have kept our public airwaves from being maximized for the public's interest. Obama will demand a review of existing uses of our wireless spectrum. He will create incentives for smarter, more efficient and more imaginative use of government spectrum and new standards for commercial spectrum to bring affordable broadband to rural communities that previously lacked it. He will ensure that we have enough spectrum for police, ambulances and other public safety purposes.


o Bringing Broadband to our Schools, Libraries, Households and Hospitals: Obama will recommit America to ensuring that our schools, libraries, households and hospitals have access to next generation broadband networks. He will also make sure that there are adequate training and other supplementary resources to allow every school, library and hospital to take full advantage of the broadband connectivity.


o Encourage Public/Private Partnerships: Obama will encourage innovation at the local level through federal support of public/private partnerships that deliver real broadband to communities that currently lack it.
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HRC's internet proposal

...? Nice Space plan though.

Take special note of the bolded in Obama's plan, which indicates that he, or at the very least, a writer of his, has read the $200 Billion Broadband Scandal, understands that we in America should have those $20 100 Mbps internet connections the Japanese have, and understands exactly where the telcos are getting fed support to keep holding back progress in this country.
 
speculawyer said:
Ron Paul is definitely an oddball . . . but you gotta hand it to him, his performance has blown away all the rest of the oddballs combined (Kucinich, Brownback, Tancredo, Hunter, and Gravel).
http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/;_ylt=Apqzw3qVPdj_cyuOLBxv06hsnwcF?d=NH

He is still not viable, but he actually had a shot at viability whereas the rest of the oddballs went no where . . . nor did long term senators Biden & Dodd.
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Just think what he could've accomplished if he had gotten any media attention





Heeyoooo
 
BTW, he's being allowed on the next Fox News debate. To be eligible, you had to finish in the top 5 in New Hampshire, according to them......or be polling above 5%, and that's why they include Thompson. I fully expect McCain to find a different target this time, probably Giuliani.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
yeah. as a floridian, im pretty pissed.
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At least all the democratic candidates are actually on your ballet

Tamanon said:
BTW, he's being allowed on the next Fox News debate. To be eligible, you had to finish in the top 5 in New Hampshire, according to them......or be polling above 5%, and that's why they include Thompson. I fully expect McCain to find a different target this time, probably Giuliani.
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I'm impressed that Ron Paul is doing better than Giuliani. I guess that goes to show you that Republicans rather have an unelectable oddball than a socially-liberal republican
 
speculawyer said:
Ron Paul is definitely an oddball . . . but you gotta hand it to him, his performance has blown away all the rest of the oddballs combined (Kucinich, Brownback, Tancredo, Hunter, and Gravel).
http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/;_ylt=Apqzw3qVPdj_cyuOLBxv06hsnwcF?d=NH

He is still not viable, but he actually had a shot at viability whereas the rest of the oddballs went no where . . . nor did long term senators Biden & Dodd.
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He never had a shot but he ran a good smart underdog campaign. I don't believe in most of his stuff but I respect him and actually like him as a human being. Something I can't really say about Kucinich even though we share most views.
 
Obama is the only Demo I could vote for in the general over a Republican so I hope he takes it. I love how Billy Clinton started ripping Obama in his little speech, you had 8 years in the limelight bud now step aside and let your wife talk. She afterall is the one running for the presidency right?
 
grandjedi6 said:
News articles should never be written about Daily Show and Colbert Report jokes
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When actual news outlets are a tornado of spin, the Daily Show is often one of the only level headed takes on current events.
 
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Cheebs said:
How can being like Edwards help him when Edwards is pretty much out of this race?
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Because Edwards is still competing with two candidates that are drawing 5 to 6 times the amount in funding from sources Edwards refuses to use.

That tells me something about the appeal of Edwards' message.
 
Cheebs said:
If edwards pulled out after iowa Obama would have won last night. He is the Ralph Nader of the dem primaries
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How are you so sure that more of Edwards' votes would go to Obama than Hillary? I think Edwards voters are more likely to vote for an independent candidate, to be honest.
 
Mifune said:
How are you so sure that more of Edwards' votes would go to Obama than Hillary? I think Edwards voters are more likely to vote for an independent candidate, to be honest.
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there is an independent candidate in primaries? wha? I said he is the Ralph Nader of the primaries.
 
Edwards isn't going to leave. Even after Kerry was basically guarenteed he kept fighting in 2004. Plus he could always pull a Bill Clinton. The only person who is going to fold anytime soon is Richardson
 
Cheebs said:
there is an independent candidate in primaries? wha? I said he is the Ralph Nader of the primaries.
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I'm just saying they wouldn't necessarily vote for Obama. But please, continue vilifying the only candidate who actually stands for something.
 
Mifune said:
I'm just saying they wouldn't necessarily vote for Obama. But please, continue vilifying the only candidate who actually stands for something.
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if he left his voters would go to either obama or hillary. If not obama you say they'd go to hillary which is absurd. They are registered democrats, they'd vote in the primaries no matter what.
 
it isn't union voters or the poor like he claims. In both iowa and NH he preformed his weakest amongst them. In both he preformed best amongst the wealthy.
 
If Edwards drops out and endorses or goes with being a running mate, will his confirmed delegates go to the person he endorses? If so that could be huge for Obama or Hillary down to the wire if it's very close
 
Cheebs said:
it isn't union voters or the poor like he claims. In both iowa and NH he preformed his weakest amongst them. In both he preformed best amongst the wealthy.
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Edwards' idiotic continuation of the race is now re-exposing Obama's biggest weakness: his strongest demo is Starbucks elite liberals. College educated people who make more than $100k a year and listen to NPR. Unfortunately, they represent the top of the pyramid of the Democratic party. They're not your base, they're your peak. This is how Obama had such high contribution numbers without poll results to match early on.

If Edwards keeps splitting the "change bloc" with Obama, he's going to be greatly weakened by the fact that he doesn't have the heartier foundational groups nailed down. Not blacks, not (quite) men, not union workers, etc.
 
So it's idiotic for Edwards, who finished second in Iowa and third in New Hampshire, to stay in the race? I don't think so, especially when he's been picking up points in the national polls over the past week. It's unlikely that he'll win, but this is a pretty shitty democracy if only two candidates remain in the race beyond the first couple tiny states that vote.
 
Catchpenny said:
So it's idiotic for Edwards, who finished second in Iowa and third in New Hampshire, to stay in the race? I don't think so, especially when he's been picking up points in the national polls over the past week. It's unlikely that he'll win, but this is a pretty shitty democracy if only two candidates remain in the race beyond the first couple tiny states that vote.
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And it'll be an even shittier democracy with Hillary in charge.

Edwards need to do the right thing and sacrifice himself so that Obama can pull through. What would Kamina do?
 
Catchpenny said:
So it's idiotic for Edwards, who finished second in Iowa and third in New Hampshire, to stay in the race? I don't think so, especially when he's been picking up points in the national polls over the past week. It's unlikely that he'll win, but this is a pretty shitty democracy if only two candidates remain in the race beyond the first couple tiny states that vote.
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There were only 4 people running in NH. Dennis doesn't count. Fourth isn't that hot. He wasn't even close.

He's done. If he really wants change he should drop out and endorse Obama.
 
APF said:
So Hillary is now a threat to American democracy?
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You act like this is the first time you've heard of the "Bush/Linton oligarchy" or "The same Washington players playing the same Washington game".
 
thekad said:
You act like this is the first time you've heard of the "Bush/Linton oligarchy" or "The same Washington players playing the same Washington game".
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If the person is qualified it shouldn't matter who they are related to
 
Cheebs said:
it isn't union voters or the poor like he claims. In both iowa and NH he preformed his weakest amongst them. In both he preformed best amongst the wealthy.
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So you're saying that because he didn't get the populist vote, he's not a populist candidate? I think it's more likely that because his campaign budget is minuscule compared to those of the Big Two, his message is being drowned out.
 
grandjedi6 said:
If the person is qualified it shouldn't matter who they are related to
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Please tell me your not counting her years as the president's wife as experience. I'll give you the senate career but that's it.
 
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