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Official NHL Offseason Thread of LOL Leafs and other loser teams in memory of Manics
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So Bob Mackenzie says that the Heatley sweepstakes are down to 3 teams: Rangers, Oilers, and Sharks. If a deal is going to happen, tomorrow will be the day since Heatley is due his $4M bonus on Wednesday (Murray said that if the Sens pay that bonus, they're not gonna trade Heatley).
Also rumblings that if the Flames can sign JayBo, they'll flip Phaneuf for Heatley... tho I don't see the logic in that.
Also on the Oilers front, there's rumors of a possible trade involving Souray for Jack Johnson + something else. Not a trade I'd make, but interesting nonetheless.
Also rumblings that if the Flames can sign JayBo, they'll flip Phaneuf for Heatley... tho I don't see the logic in that.
Also on the Oilers front, there's rumors of a possible trade involving Souray for Jack Johnson + something else. Not a trade I'd make, but interesting nonetheless.
Rapping Granny
Banned
Urgh I don't want anybody from the Rangers, ewww no thank you.
Jesus christ, if that happens, I will torch Murray's house down.
Jesus christ, if that happens, I will torch Murray's house down.
Cold-Steel
Member
Heatley on the Sharks would seem like a perfect fit.
Pochacco said:
That'd be a HORRIBLE trade! We need Souray more than anything. Our defense is already super sloppy, and our offense has been slacking. This would be the WORSE trade ever. If we go through with this I will shit on a seat at Rexall.
Oilers have also made a 1 year offer for Roloson. Good on the Oilers for keeping it to 1 year. I hope Rolli takes it. I would guess the offer would be something like $4m for 1 year. Which would be reasonable I think.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
darkwings said:
That could be the smallest and softest group of forwards ever... :lol
CrazedArabMan
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Yeah, since we haven't heard anything on Hossa yet, he most likely won't sign. So I wonder what winger we can pick up with all of that extra money?
Spike said:
Since he is being up front on it, I can see Shero being a good guy and bringing him back if he can get him to take a hometown discount (which seems likely). Since we have Dupuis making a lot of money on the 4th line, if he can't be moved, then someone will be shuffled to take Fed-Ex's spot on the 2nd line.
Scuderi's has been a penguin his whole career, I can't see him moving with the performance he gave us last year.
The paper said they have 51.1 mil tied up ,and still need to sign a backup goalie, a 2nd line winger, and a defensemen (plus probably a 7th Defensemen for utility)
Curry - .5
Lovejoy - .5
Scuderi - 2.5
I just don't see room for Fed-Ex...
EDIT: On a side note, I think it is funny that the Wings are only offering Hossa 4 mil on a contract now.... That guy really screwed himself with his illogical decision last year.
Gustavsson said:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/06/30/gustavsson_free_agency/
Is indecision a Swedish trait?
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Acid08 said:
I feel bad about pressuring the guy to make a decision for that reason, but I also don't want the Leafs to ignore free agent goalies like Craig Anderson just because they think they have a shot with Gustavvson. Burkes going to have to make a choice.
Acid08 said:
His mother died at the end of May. When my dad passed away I took a week off of work and was back to work after that. Not to sound callous but it's something everyone has to go through, doesn't mean he can't decide something by a certain date when he set that date himself beforehand.
The Internet
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fallout said:
:lol
TemplaerDude
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Kingpen said:
you guys don't have any reasons. you're just bitter and resentful.
TemplaerDude said:
Bitter that he cost us resigning our player, Ryan Malone since he let that contract offer linger for so long and pulled a 180 on us..... yeah..
resentful - no
Cocky as shit in a 'I told you so' way now that the shoe is on the other foot and his words of 'I have a better chance in Detroit to win a Stanley Cup' came back to haunt him... HELL YEAH
I'm glad that Detroit also sees no point making stupid moves to keep him. They saw what kind of performance he showed up with this past playoffs. Shows how many gift wrapped passes he had from Sid 2 years ago for 'one' good playoff performance.
Sorry Marian can't expect the villagers to love you when you burn the bridge that leads to their town...
With that "extra money" we will avoid letting Sammy and/or Hudler go, and we won't have to try and move someone to clear cap space.CrazedArabMan said:
The reason Holland has only offered Hossa a contract with a 4 mil cap hit is that it's pretty much the maximum they can pay without being completely handicapped next year.
Illogical :lolKingpen said:
He's going to get a ton of offers if he doesn't sign with the Wings before tomorrow. I don't think his value has gone down much after a 40-goal season.
Like I said, the Wings have offered him the very maximum that they can give. It isn't because they think he's suddenly worth 3.5 mil less than he was last year, it's because Holland is a smart guy and won't sacrifice a ton of depth for one player.
Signing Hossa for $4M would be an absolute steal, and if he doesn't sign the Wings are still in good shape.
ForzaItalia
Banned
So Nik Antropov is looking for $5 million per :lol
:lol
:lol
TemplaerDude
Member
Kingpen said:
:lol
god man that is the weakest excuse for anything i've read on here for a while.
look just admit that the big fancy superstar snubbed your team and you didn't like it. you've won the cup! who cares! stop floating these dumb excuses!
just admit it.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Gomez for Higgins :lol
Gainey's a fucking idiot..
Gainey's a fucking idiot..
Nice food for thought for you guys stuck at work with me, and thinking about July 1 tomorrow.... From CNN talking about free agency busts recently
Tough calls, like the ones GM will be making at 12:01 pm on July 1.
2006
Jay McKee, defenseman: four years, $16 million
St. Louis needed bodies to fill out its roster at the time president John Davidson overpaid, albeit moderately, for McKee. The Blues never expected offense from a solid stay-at-home blueliner -- he scored 17 points as a Bluenote -- but injuries and the changing officiating standard limited him to the point where the Blues are now buying out the final year of McKee's contract.
Rob Blake, defenseman: two years, $12 million
A Blake homecoming in Los Angeles seemed like a natural, but he was largely ineffectual on a team in deep rebuilding mode. He did, however, conclude a bounce-back season with San Jose this year after a mediocre training camp that had Sharks GM Doug Wilson worried.
2007
Todd Bertuzzi, right wing: two years, $8 million
Burke, the Ducks GM at the time, was far too loyal to a player who had starred for him (pre-Steve Moore) in their Vancouver days together. Neither the money nor term was flat outrageous, but Bertuzzi, according to a teammate "was toxic in the dressing room" during his one season with Anaheim. After one season in Calgary, Bertuzzi is again on the market.
Daniel Brière, center: eight years, $52 million
Centers Mike Richards and Jeff Carter have moved ahead of him for the Flyers, leaving the small pivot as the third-wheel making first-line money. His term plus cap hit make the oft-injured Brière almost impossible to trade.
Chris Drury, center: five years, $35.25 million
Like Brière, Drury walked from Buffalo two summers ago. And like his ex-teammate, Drury mostly has disappointed. He brings laudable intangibles to the Rangers' mix, but at a cap hit of more than $7 million annually, Broadway would appreciate some tangibles beyond 47 goals in his first two years. He was a poor fit as a No. 1 center for Jaromir Jagr, before Jagr left for the KHL.
Scott Gomez, center: seven years, $51.5 million
He crossed the Hudson from New Jersey and apparently left some of his game with him in the Lincoln Tunnel. Another poor fit for Jagr -- he carried the puck too much -- Gomez' copious energy and speed have not translated into productivity commensurate with the salary. He has had, however, 16 points in 17 playoff games with the Rangers.
Ryan Smyth, left wing: five years, $31.25 million
Smyth still scores some of the most butt-ugly goals on the planet -- just not enough of them. He has 40 in two seasons with Colorado. His work ethic remains unmatched, but on a bad team that could get even worse before it gets better, he is hardly a difference-maker.
Michael Nylander, center: four years, $19.5 million
The ex-Ranger who did the best job dishing to Jagr has been a disaster with the Capitals, in part because of an injury that limited him to 40 games his first season back in Washington. But last season he had just nine goals and 24 assists in 72 matches and played in just three playoff games. Given the glorious chemistry between Alex Ovechkin and center Nicklas Backstrom, Nylander has no place on the team, which is why the Capitals would not be averse to the veteran bolting to the KHL. Of course, it might be tough to convince Mrs. Nylander, as her husband had an agreement with Edmonton in 2007 but backed out at the 13th hour, instead signing with Washington because his bride was not enamored with the charms of Alberta.
2008
Brian Campbell, defenseman: eight years $56.8 million
Campbell still has plenty of time to turn this around, of course, but Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith look like they will be the No. 1 pair in Chicago for a long time. A $7 million cap hit for a defenseman who averaged just 20:28 of ice time in the playoffs last spring does not augur well.
Cristobal Huet, goaltender: four years, $22.4 million
What is it with the wacky Hawks and goaltenders? After giving Nikolai Khabibulin a four-year, $27 million contract in 2005, Chicago lavished this deal on Huet. At least Khabibulin won a Cup in Tampa Bay. Huet had some strong stretches in Montreal and played splendidly to get the Capitals into the 2008 playoffs (although he was poor in their first-round loss to Philly), but the portfolio is thin. He is a mid-range No. 1 goalie who couldn't supplant Khabibulin, who Chicago was trying to dump early last season.
Wade Redden, defenseman: six years, $39 million
Redden looked like a capable puck-moving defenseman at a hefty but not exorbitant price. At least he did in 2007 when the Senators went to the Cup final. He was horrid in his first season in New York. The glimmer of hope for Rangers president Glen Sather is the few capable games that Redden played in their first-round loss to Washington.
Tough calls, like the ones GM will be making at 12:01 pm on July 1.
2006
Jay McKee, defenseman: four years, $16 million
St. Louis needed bodies to fill out its roster at the time president John Davidson overpaid, albeit moderately, for McKee. The Blues never expected offense from a solid stay-at-home blueliner -- he scored 17 points as a Bluenote -- but injuries and the changing officiating standard limited him to the point where the Blues are now buying out the final year of McKee's contract.
Rob Blake, defenseman: two years, $12 million
A Blake homecoming in Los Angeles seemed like a natural, but he was largely ineffectual on a team in deep rebuilding mode. He did, however, conclude a bounce-back season with San Jose this year after a mediocre training camp that had Sharks GM Doug Wilson worried.
2007
Todd Bertuzzi, right wing: two years, $8 million
Burke, the Ducks GM at the time, was far too loyal to a player who had starred for him (pre-Steve Moore) in their Vancouver days together. Neither the money nor term was flat outrageous, but Bertuzzi, according to a teammate "was toxic in the dressing room" during his one season with Anaheim. After one season in Calgary, Bertuzzi is again on the market.
Daniel Brière, center: eight years, $52 million
Centers Mike Richards and Jeff Carter have moved ahead of him for the Flyers, leaving the small pivot as the third-wheel making first-line money. His term plus cap hit make the oft-injured Brière almost impossible to trade.
Chris Drury, center: five years, $35.25 million
Like Brière, Drury walked from Buffalo two summers ago. And like his ex-teammate, Drury mostly has disappointed. He brings laudable intangibles to the Rangers' mix, but at a cap hit of more than $7 million annually, Broadway would appreciate some tangibles beyond 47 goals in his first two years. He was a poor fit as a No. 1 center for Jaromir Jagr, before Jagr left for the KHL.
Scott Gomez, center: seven years, $51.5 million
He crossed the Hudson from New Jersey and apparently left some of his game with him in the Lincoln Tunnel. Another poor fit for Jagr -- he carried the puck too much -- Gomez' copious energy and speed have not translated into productivity commensurate with the salary. He has had, however, 16 points in 17 playoff games with the Rangers.
Ryan Smyth, left wing: five years, $31.25 million
Smyth still scores some of the most butt-ugly goals on the planet -- just not enough of them. He has 40 in two seasons with Colorado. His work ethic remains unmatched, but on a bad team that could get even worse before it gets better, he is hardly a difference-maker.
Michael Nylander, center: four years, $19.5 million
The ex-Ranger who did the best job dishing to Jagr has been a disaster with the Capitals, in part because of an injury that limited him to 40 games his first season back in Washington. But last season he had just nine goals and 24 assists in 72 matches and played in just three playoff games. Given the glorious chemistry between Alex Ovechkin and center Nicklas Backstrom, Nylander has no place on the team, which is why the Capitals would not be averse to the veteran bolting to the KHL. Of course, it might be tough to convince Mrs. Nylander, as her husband had an agreement with Edmonton in 2007 but backed out at the 13th hour, instead signing with Washington because his bride was not enamored with the charms of Alberta.
2008
Brian Campbell, defenseman: eight years $56.8 million
Campbell still has plenty of time to turn this around, of course, but Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith look like they will be the No. 1 pair in Chicago for a long time. A $7 million cap hit for a defenseman who averaged just 20:28 of ice time in the playoffs last spring does not augur well.
Cristobal Huet, goaltender: four years, $22.4 million
What is it with the wacky Hawks and goaltenders? After giving Nikolai Khabibulin a four-year, $27 million contract in 2005, Chicago lavished this deal on Huet. At least Khabibulin won a Cup in Tampa Bay. Huet had some strong stretches in Montreal and played splendidly to get the Capitals into the 2008 playoffs (although he was poor in their first-round loss to Philly), but the portfolio is thin. He is a mid-range No. 1 goalie who couldn't supplant Khabibulin, who Chicago was trying to dump early last season.
Wade Redden, defenseman: six years, $39 million
Redden looked like a capable puck-moving defenseman at a hefty but not exorbitant price. At least he did in 2007 when the Senators went to the Cup final. He was horrid in his first season in New York. The glimmer of hope for Rangers president Glen Sather is the few capable games that Redden played in their first-round loss to Washington.
The Internet
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Kingpen said:
That's the first thing that popped into my head when I heard that Montreal now has to deal with Gomez's ridiculous salary.
ForzaItalia
Banned
I thought Gainey said he wanted a 1st line center?:lol
$7.35 million per for Gomez :lol
Signed through to 2013-14 :lol
$7.35 million per for Gomez :lol
Signed through to 2013-14 :lol
MrToughPants said:
Not only is fucking stupid to trade for Gomez and his death collar contract, or stupid to trade Higgins for him, but they traded Ryan fucking McDonagh in the deal too. Their best prospect. What a fucking idiot. Even the Leafs wouldn't do something that stupid. Everybody boo this man!
:lol :lol :lol
Fuck, if I'm Burke in Toronto I phone up Sather and say we'll take Redden's shitty contract off their hands if they toss in Ryan McDonagh as part of the deal.
Cold-Steel
Member
This trade won't end well.
Gomez is a bonafide U-S-A guy who absolutely LOVED playing in NYC and NJ.
Gomez is a bonafide U-S-A guy who absolutely LOVED playing in NYC and NJ.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
ForzaItalia said:
Jason Blake had more points last season. So did Ponikarovsky. Just saying...
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