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Official Super Bowl 2005 Thread
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mCACGj said:
On that first INT drive, they should have run the ball on 1st and goal at the freakin' 8 instead of trying to get the big play which ended in the sack. It's like they respected the linebackers so much, they were afraid to run at them. If they got even 3 on that drive, we go to OT.
They never established the run and got predictable with the passing and that did them in (among other things). Their gameplan was to jump on the Eagles and they forced a lot of stuff. Also, where was Levens? They hardly ran the ball and if you pass 50 times, 3 picks (even though one was a tip by the WR) is pretty decent :lol
PS: Can you imagine how bad it would've been if TO didn't play? :lol
All i gotta say is... Niners are the best team in the league now. Yeahhhhhhh boyyyyyyyy.
Brandon llyod is going to have 500 receptions, and 700 tds.
Rattay is going to throw 3 Tds for the entire year.
Barlow is going to start as QB. and have 500 td passes to lloyd.
YEAHH LETS GO NINERS.
Brandon llyod is going to have 500 receptions, and 700 tds.
Rattay is going to throw 3 Tds for the entire year.
Barlow is going to start as QB. and have 500 td passes to lloyd.
YEAHH LETS GO NINERS.
TheDuce22 said:
I did see a lot of Pat holding. I think the Eagles lost for the same reason the Steelers lost, they got outcoached. Pats made the adjustments to win and the Eagles didn't.
Fucking Patriots!
FUCKIN BRADY AND HIS ASSFACE!
FUCKIN BELICHICK MAKING ALL THE RIGHT DECISIONS!
FUCKIN PATS GETTING AWAY WITH CHEATING EVERY DAMN GAME!!
FUCKIN EMINEM AND THIS CURSED JORDAN AVATAR!!! *
If someone doesn't step up the plate next year and end Brady's career and the Pats dynasty, I am going to give up on NFL football altogether.
* Somehow I know there is a relationship between Jordan and Brady. There are no "facts" to support my theory and some may consider me insane for even thinking it true, but somehow I know it to be true. Admit it Em, I was set up all along!
Here's an interest fact.. McNabb scrambling yards? Zero.
You gotta give it to coach B. and staff everyone always says their greatest skill is to take away whatever a teams best point, and they do it in different ways. Colts and Steelers they shut down the pass, but played both teams differently. So everybody is thinking oh no they can't play that Eagles like that... and they didn't. With the Eagles they shutdown the run... ELIMINATED McNabb's ability to scramble(Did you notice how when the Pats put pressure they almost always had it coming from multiple angles to eliminate giving McNabb an exit alley to run). Just an master stroke gameplay executed well. Reality is though... in the first half? The Pats didn't play that well... lots of false starts no first down until what quite a bit in to the 1st quarter...
Why was clock management so terrible in that last scoring drive for the Eagles?
Why wasn't the ball thrown to Westbrook in the backfield on the sides to allow him to make plays more? That's his strength.
Why did the Eagles keep blitzing Brady? It so RARELY worked and more often than not Brady punished them for it.
Oh yeah... Kudos again to TO, but I still hate you bitch... and FU to Freddie Mitchell... Rodney Harrison says... hey I caught more of your QB's passes than you did!
You gotta give it to coach B. and staff everyone always says their greatest skill is to take away whatever a teams best point, and they do it in different ways. Colts and Steelers they shut down the pass, but played both teams differently. So everybody is thinking oh no they can't play that Eagles like that... and they didn't. With the Eagles they shutdown the run... ELIMINATED McNabb's ability to scramble(Did you notice how when the Pats put pressure they almost always had it coming from multiple angles to eliminate giving McNabb an exit alley to run). Just an master stroke gameplay executed well. Reality is though... in the first half? The Pats didn't play that well... lots of false starts no first down until what quite a bit in to the 1st quarter...
Why was clock management so terrible in that last scoring drive for the Eagles?
Why wasn't the ball thrown to Westbrook in the backfield on the sides to allow him to make plays more? That's his strength.
Why did the Eagles keep blitzing Brady? It so RARELY worked and more often than not Brady punished them for it.
Oh yeah... Kudos again to TO, but I still hate you bitch... and FU to Freddie Mitchell... Rodney Harrison says... hey I caught more of your QB's passes than you did!
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Two people to blame for the Eagles' loss.
Andy Reid first & foremost for the most horrible clock management I've seen in a long, long time. What the hell were they WAITING for?!
Donovan McNabb to a much lesser extent for that pick down the middle in the 4th quarter. He knew it was all him, and it was.
That said, I'm glad the Pats won. It'll be interesting to see how Belicheck does without his offensive and defensive coordinators next season, but the team is young and knows the system.
The Eagles, on the other hand, what's going to happen now? There's no doubt they have talent -- but they've proven 4 years in a row that they can't win when it comes down to it. Kings of Choke. That's GOT to have an effect on the team. If they're able to keep it together and be as dominant in the NFC next season as they were in this, I will be truly impressed.
Andy Reid first & foremost for the most horrible clock management I've seen in a long, long time. What the hell were they WAITING for?!
Donovan McNabb to a much lesser extent for that pick down the middle in the 4th quarter. He knew it was all him, and it was.
That said, I'm glad the Pats won. It'll be interesting to see how Belicheck does without his offensive and defensive coordinators next season, but the team is young and knows the system.
The Eagles, on the other hand, what's going to happen now? There's no doubt they have talent -- but they've proven 4 years in a row that they can't win when it comes down to it. Kings of Choke. That's GOT to have an effect on the team. If they're able to keep it together and be as dominant in the NFC next season as they were in this, I will be truly impressed.
andthebeatgoeson
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TheDuce22 said:
Yeah, but the Patriots have been doing that to everybody. They bitched the hell out of Manning (did he even score a TD against them) and hoe'd the hell out of the Steelers and their defense. God loves the Patriots. And TO's leg.
This loss isn't as bad but then again it is. I'm not as depressed as last year but damn if I feel like waiting another 7 months till Week 1 (but then again, I don't care about any other sport until Week 1). Goddamn it.
It's hard to say how I'm feeling but it was a great game. I may be blinded since I'm a fan but I thought it was one of the best Super Bowls ever. But I could be totally blinded. The Eagles defense, contrary to popular opinion, played well except for the 3rd quarter where they couldn't stop the run for a damn. For some reason, we couldn't effectively control their blitzes. And McNabb had some of the best and worst throws of the night. The TDs to Westbrook and LJ were fuckin amazing.
Now, all I have are thought of what we can do with a ton of cap space. Maybe we can be healthy on the O line next year. I just don't see how we can keep winning at this pace (ie getting to the NFC championship for the what year in a row?). Hopefully we can. I just hope for one championship before I turn 30. Please, Lord, are you there?
andthebeatgoeson
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DarienA said:
Jilted ex lover. Haha, you never got in bed with him. He never even went home with you. You only got to squeeze his ass at the club. Give it up. The man is a beast. Even though he couldn't break away from the defenders based on speed (plenty of replays showed he wasn't getting seperation) he still had one of the best games last night.
My anger to Freddie Mitchell is growing though. No hand in the actual losing although he didn't help, I might be leaning to throwing him out. For all the TO hate, he's has been upstanding on and off the field. Name one truly bad thing he has done this year? This year has been all about past indiscretions and what he might do. Freddie Mitchell is a backup and picks the Super Bowl to do the stupidest thing you can do: give the opposition fire to whup your ass. WTF, Freddie? He might be doing this just to get kicked off the team or traded.
I hope Greg Lewis works his ass of this offseason to improve a WR. I like that guy. He's got speed and some potential.
I guess I'll move on over to the official Offseason thread. Damn, football is fuckin great.
skinnyrattler said:
Sorry my friend I hated TO way before the whole Ravens botched trade fiasco... and hey I can get over... TO still doesn't have a Superbowl ring. All's good in the hood, BTW I have TO his props in this thread for the game he had.
Pinkston needs to build himself up... from what I've heard that's his biggest knock... too fragile.
Damn Patriots. Have to give respect where respect is due though to a team that shut-out a QB who broke the single season passing TD record and the following week put up 41 pts on the #1 defense in the league. This is their time, but it's getting ready to end next season.
The time has come for a new dynasty to arise:
Vick's progression so far calls for us to make a Super Bowl run, so be prepared bitches!
The time has come for a new dynasty to arise:
Vick's progression so far calls for us to make a Super Bowl run, so be prepared bitches!
andthebeatgoeson
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He would still need to run routes better and I don't think he has the speed. Greg Lewis is just getting his time to show that he can be a threat.DarienA said:
TheDuce22 said:
Eagles - 17 for 45 yards, 2.6 average.
I know Westbrooks strength is the short pass to run... but they've got to develop more of a running game.
This yahoo Winners and losers article brings up alot of the points we've talked about.
EDIT: I'm sitting here thinking about that statement Duce... Eagles contained the run... and you know... the Patriots gameplay isn't to focus on the run... it's to soften up a team for the deep passes, the screens, etc.... and well it worked... Dillon didn't have to get alot of yards, he just had to get your defense unsure of what was coming next.
Spectral Glider
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4.2 yards a carry is actually a decent average. The league rushing champ, Curtis Martin, averaged 4.6 for the year. And Faulk had 4.8 in his limited super bowl action. That's not enough containment.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Just wanted to say....
i for one, actually enjoyed the half time show mostly because of paul mcartney...i think he owned. Kotex, you're a tard
wonder if its uploaded on the net somewhere
back to football discussion
hell yea....i was fuckin BAFFLED at this....like wtf?!?! THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL!!! WTF are yall doing? if that were my falcons id have been PISSED....eagles fans should be upset with that whole thing.
i mean...its like they just fuckin gave up.
peace
i for one, actually enjoyed the half time show mostly because of paul mcartney...i think he owned. Kotex, you're a tard
wonder if its uploaded on the net somewhere
back to football discussion
DarienA said:
hell yea....i was fuckin BAFFLED at this....like wtf?!?! THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL!!! WTF are yall doing? if that were my falcons id have been PISSED....eagles fans should be upset with that whole thing.
i mean...its like they just fuckin gave up.
peace
We got a preview of it when they let the clock run down at the end of the half in the vikings game. This team wasnt prepared for it. Thats what happens when you blow opponents out all year.
Where did you get 4.2 from? They had 4 yards per rush and 220 net yards passing. The defense can only do so much when your offense gives the ball away 4 times.
Ninja Scooter
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Skip Bayless is officially bitch of the century. He just criticized TO for getting thrown at TOO much :lol "I give him an A for effort but a C for impact. He didnt' have his 5th gear and they threw to him too much." Did Terrell have sex with this guy's wife? I havent see someone throw so much undeserved hate at an athlete since Phil Jackson sicked Charly Rosen on Kobe.
TheDuce22 said:
Nah that is from bad coaching.
I don't know if I am going to blame Donovan for looking like ass in this game, because the Pats had a tremendous amount of pressure on him all game and they make every qb look like ass in the playoffs. However, just like with Cowher and Dungy, it really seeemd tht Andy Reid was not up to the task of matching the Pats coaching moves.
I don't really fault Andy for that either though, because the Pats coaching staff makes everyone look stupid. Still Dungy. Cowher, and Reid are only going to be regular season stars as long as they stay so conservative.
Ninja Scooter
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bionic77 said:
there is only one man that can stop Belichek. The REAL messiah.
The clock management issue can go back to the coaching but other than that, Reid called a great game. Mcnabb was not forced into making mistakes, he just couldnt hit open players. Westbrook was open in the endzone, he was underthrown. Levens was open in the middle of the feild, Mcnabb threw it 10 yards over his head. Those two picks are what cost us the game.
darkiguana
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I think the Eagles clock management issues came more from the fact that not only were they huddling, but when they ran a play they did not go far at all. During that drive they only had 4 plays go 10 yards or more and that includes the TD. If they weren't going to go no huddle , they had to at least get larger chunks of yards. If they did that, they may have been able to get away with huddling. As it was they just dinked and dunked down the field until they scored.
And I think the onside kick was the right move in that situation. With under 2 mins to go they had to get the ball back any way they could. Had there been more then 2mins or if they had all of their timeouts, then you could have kicked off. But in that situation, the Eagles knew there was going to be at least one play where the Pats could run the clock down. Giving the Eagles hardly anytime to get a FG, even with good field position.
darkiguana
And I think the onside kick was the right move in that situation. With under 2 mins to go they had to get the ball back any way they could. Had there been more then 2mins or if they had all of their timeouts, then you could have kicked off. But in that situation, the Eagles knew there was going to be at least one play where the Pats could run the clock down. Giving the Eagles hardly anytime to get a FG, even with good field position.
darkiguana
FrenchMovieTheme
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you can't really question the onsides kick, you can make a case for it being right and wrong in either case.
but that clock management... holy crap what a joke. maybe the eagles should have watched Joe Cool against the bengals and how he took us the length of the field to the promise land in just a few short minutes. GO NINERS!!!
p.s. i just have to say the patriots are the weakest "dynasty" ever. when i think of the word dynasty, i think of dominance. i think of 55-10, i think of 45-17, i think of something where someone says "god DAMN that team beat the shit out of the other team! no doubt about it!"
when a team wins 3 superbowls by a combined total of 9 points, then i have to say ok well 3 superbowls is an amazing accomplishment, but not a very dominant or convincing win. think about all 3 of their superbowl wins. in each of the 3, i dont get the sense that the PATRIOTS won any of those games, i get the sense that the other team had a bone head coaching move or player move to screw it up:
1. martz not running faulk
2. carolina kicker kicks it out of bounds
3. no hurry up offense by the eagles
i would love for the niners to have won 3 superbowls in 4 years by 9 points too, dont get me wrong there, but the pats are just a very disciplined, sound football team. they aren't a true dynasty
but that clock management... holy crap what a joke. maybe the eagles should have watched Joe Cool against the bengals and how he took us the length of the field to the promise land in just a few short minutes. GO NINERS!!!
p.s. i just have to say the patriots are the weakest "dynasty" ever. when i think of the word dynasty, i think of dominance. i think of 55-10, i think of 45-17, i think of something where someone says "god DAMN that team beat the shit out of the other team! no doubt about it!"
when a team wins 3 superbowls by a combined total of 9 points, then i have to say ok well 3 superbowls is an amazing accomplishment, but not a very dominant or convincing win. think about all 3 of their superbowl wins. in each of the 3, i dont get the sense that the PATRIOTS won any of those games, i get the sense that the other team had a bone head coaching move or player move to screw it up:
1. martz not running faulk
2. carolina kicker kicks it out of bounds
3. no hurry up offense by the eagles
i would love for the niners to have won 3 superbowls in 4 years by 9 points too, dont get me wrong there, but the pats are just a very disciplined, sound football team. they aren't a true dynasty
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
I've gone to great lengths to secure a computer so that I may... LAUGH AT EAGLES FANS.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol!!!!
Managed to see the full game at a sports bar with cable. A couple of things:
-Seems like the Kobex curse is stronger than the Matlock curse,
-As was mentioned ad nauseum in this topic, the time management at the end by the eagles was atrocious. A three year old playing Madden would have done better. I let out a chuckle when D-Mac completed that pass to Westbrook square in the middle of the field to start the last drive. At least 20 seconds went off the clock for that play alone... AND they continued to try DIRECTLY in the middle of the field. Fucking horrible.
-The screens were brilliant, and I am frankly ashamed that I didn't see them more from teams facing a blitz happy defense like that of the Eagles.
-The Patriots D, full of NO NAMES other than Vrabel and Bruschi, did an amazing job (You can make a case for Harrison, but I never heard of him before his verbal clash with Fred-Ex) at stopping the run and containing Westbrook in general. I think DarienA was the one that asked why they didn't kick it out to Westbrook in the flats more, it looked like to me that they ran a variation of the Cover 2 all game. Notice how almost all of his receptions were over the middle.
-Deion Branch is a monster.
- :lol @ Eagles fans.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol!!!!
Managed to see the full game at a sports bar with cable. A couple of things:
-Seems like the Kobex curse is stronger than the Matlock curse,
-As was mentioned ad nauseum in this topic, the time management at the end by the eagles was atrocious. A three year old playing Madden would have done better. I let out a chuckle when D-Mac completed that pass to Westbrook square in the middle of the field to start the last drive. At least 20 seconds went off the clock for that play alone... AND they continued to try DIRECTLY in the middle of the field. Fucking horrible.
-The screens were brilliant, and I am frankly ashamed that I didn't see them more from teams facing a blitz happy defense like that of the Eagles.
-The Patriots D, full of NO NAMES other than Vrabel and Bruschi, did an amazing job (You can make a case for Harrison, but I never heard of him before his verbal clash with Fred-Ex) at stopping the run and containing Westbrook in general. I think DarienA was the one that asked why they didn't kick it out to Westbrook in the flats more, it looked like to me that they ran a variation of the Cover 2 all game. Notice how almost all of his receptions were over the middle.
-Deion Branch is a monster.
- :lol @ Eagles fans.
Spectral Glider
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TheDuce22 said:
From the boxscore. Dillon averaged 4.2 on the ground, Faulk 4.8.
http://www.superbowl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20050206_NE@PHI
TheDuce22 said:
Eh, I thought Reid was too conservative. Remember this is all Monday morning QB and you are only right in the NFL when you win, but I thought that the Pats made all the winning adjustments and it seemed like the Eagles just couldn't adjust on either side of the ball.
You are right about McNabb being the difference, but the Pats have a way of making qb's make those decisions and it seemed like he never had any time (though Brady could have read a book in the 2nd half). McNabb was definitely off though, he picked a bad time to revert back to his form of 3 years ago.
Here is the news on Mcnabb. They dont know why but he was hyperventilating and dry heaving for most of the 4th quarter. Some people suggested he was having a panic attack, maybe he just suffered a concussion on that hit that busted his lip. Thats why we couldnt run the 2 minuet drill and thats why Reid didnt want to go into why they couldnt get it going. Of course they dont want to admit Mcnabb wigged out in the superbowl but this stuff is coming directly from the players. They actually had Freddie Mitchell calling a few plays in the huddle. Also Mcnabb was sick as hell last time we played in Jacksonville, maybe it has something to do with the air down there.
TheDuce22 said:
Yeah ESPN radio was speculating about the concussion folks around said McNabb didn't seem his normal self... no confirmation though. Sounds like a bit of the old DC to me... and it's pretty unnecessary... just move on, regroup, you've got most of the cast coming back... and start from ground zero next year... you've got past the hurdle that's kept you down the previous years, and looking at the score you realize you were a few less mistakes away from winning it.
Oh BTW FMT I'm not sure how many dynasty's you've witness in your life time. But let me point out that when the Steelers were winning their Superbowls... and they were definitely considered a dynasty.... only one of the games could truly be considered a blow out by the score... and that's Superbowl XIV.
Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 6
Pittsburgh 21, Dallas 17
Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31
Pittsburgh 31, L.A. Rams 19
http://www.superbowl.com/history/boxscores
There are definitely some blowouts but that's not really part of the definition of a dynasty.
The problem is now I have to sit through all of next season wondering if Mcnabb will lose it and freak out in the playoffs again. What kind of NFL QB has a panic attack in the middle of the superbowl? Its allready confirmed that Freddie Mitchell was calling the plays in the huddle because Mcnabb couldnt talk and was dry heaving. At least we still have TO. If Mcnabb didnt choke people would have been talking about Owens performance for years.
Owens deserved Super Bowl MVP award
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002173687_les08.html
Actually i just read this. It makes me feel alot better.
http://www.nbc10.com/sports/4176702/detail.html
Its this years late hit on Mcnabb. Not only did the guy hit him late, he drove him into the ground. I remember that play and I thought at the time, "isnt that a penalty". Then i remembered we were playing the pats, a true team who would have to murder someone to get a flag thrown their way. The flag on the eagles for roughing the passer later in the game, one that was never replayed for whatever reason, was another reminder. THE FIX WAS IN!!!! The nfl needed a dynasty so they created one.
Owens deserved Super Bowl MVP award
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002173687_les08.html
Actually i just read this. It makes me feel alot better.
http://www.nbc10.com/sports/4176702/detail.html
Its this years late hit on Mcnabb.
Not only did the guy hit him late, he drove him into the ground. I remember that play and I thought at the time, "isnt that a penalty". Then i remembered we were playing the pats, a true team who would have to murder someone to get a flag thrown their way. The flag on the eagles for roughing the passer later in the game, one that was never replayed for whatever reason, was another reminder. THE FIX WAS IN!!!! The nfl needed a dynasty so they created one.I present to you all a history lesson, in .gif form:
http://www.angrygodofjebus.com/FINAL.gif
it's rather large, so i'm just gonna put the link to it.
http://www.angrygodofjebus.com/FINAL.gif
it's rather large, so i'm just gonna put the link to it.
FrenchMovieTheme
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
Eminem said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Next point:
Duce... really... the game ended two days ago... the parade was yesterday... please for the love of god and to retain whatever modicum of respect some people here might have for you(that does not include me) end the damage control session ok? Regardless of whether there were flags that should have been thrown(as is the case with all game calls are missed on both sides), none of this changes the fact that:
there was terrible clock management in the 4th quarter;
the Eagles didn't throw to Westbrook out of the backfield enough;
the Eagles didn't throw to TO who was obviously feeling it enough;
Your oline couldn't make a hole for Westbrook to run through;
the Eagles blitzed Brady WAAAAAY too much... and didn't get to him;
In between some great passes, Donovan threw interceptions and overthrew other receivers.
AND the big one... if he was really hurt enough that it was affecting his performance, Andy should have pulled him.
Really dude... game over, give it a rest.... and people wonder why Philly fans catch such a bad rep.
EDIT: Oh yeah almost forgot:
TheDuce22 said:
Penalties-Yards
NE
7-47
Philly
3-35
You mean you've already forgotten all the shitload of false starts that were called on NE?
FrenchMovieTheme
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well false starts aren't subjective to the refs.
i agree with the thing on the pats not being called for holding, but then you have to look at every team and every game in the nfl. bottom line is holding could be called a gajillion times a game, but who wants to watch a fucking parade of penalties? i like the nfl's/refs stance that if its not BLATANT holding, just dont call it. that sound contradictory to the rules, but come on man lets not turn the NFL into a fucking penalty match. the pats got away with holding, the eagles got away with holding, every team in the league got away with holding, lets call that a wash and admit the better team won.
i agree with the thing on the pats not being called for holding, but then you have to look at every team and every game in the nfl. bottom line is holding could be called a gajillion times a game, but who wants to watch a fucking parade of penalties? i like the nfl's/refs stance that if its not BLATANT holding, just dont call it. that sound contradictory to the rules, but come on man lets not turn the NFL into a fucking penalty match. the pats got away with holding, the eagles got away with holding, every team in the league got away with holding, lets call that a wash and admit the better team won.
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