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canova said:
wow it's Cameron's dick-sucking thread.

If Avatar surpasses TDK in domestic gross, I will retire from movie-watching
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Avatar will surpass TDK; you will disappear from gaf for a while; you will still be watching movies.

What's up with the melt down.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
There were plenty of cheap uses of 3D in Avatar as well. Yes, the 3D made the world pop more, but the resorted to similar old tricks from time to time too.
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Honestly cant think of one blatant use of it. Dont get me wrong, it was clear that some shots were designed around 3d (the floating jellyfish), but I never got the feeling I was watching somethin at disneyland or some shit just designed for you be "amazed." The horrible 3D previews before the movie were stock full of gimmicks like that, so it was a breath of fresh air to see that the movie was not
 
irfan said:
Not possible, ready to eat PD level of crow if this comes true.
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That's my point.

The guy I was responding to is acting like AVATAR is just the "flavor of the week" all while ignoring the crazy tear it's been on in just a short time.
 
Future said:
Honestly cant think of one blatant use of it. Dont get me wrong, it was clear that some shots were designed around 3d (the floating jellyfish), but I never got the feeling I was watching somethin at disneyland or some shit just designed for you be "amazed." The horrible 3D previews before the movie were stock full of gimmicks like that, so it was a breath of fresh air to see that the movie was not
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See my follow-up post earlier. Things like Jake spinning around with the spear on fire on his first night in the jungle was definitely a 3D gimmick that you've seen in 3D films since they first debuted back in the 50's.
 
TDK fans need to settle down.We just want Avatar to become #1 because for the time in 12 years, a movie has the chance of making the Titanic sink. It's okay people, it's perfectly acceptable to like more than one movie. (I'm both a TDK and Avatar fan.. see my joker/avatar icon)
 
The one gimmicky use of 3D I noticed was when they were cleaning out a pod and it sprayed right at the screen.
 
cms382 said:
The one gimmicky use of 3D I noticed was when they were cleaning out a pod and it sprayed right at the screen.
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There were a few near the beginning of the movie (running towards the screen etc) but after 30 or so minutes, they pretty much stopped it.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Technically true, but if you look at what passes as sci-fi in movies and then superhero films, they're pretty different.
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Only in presentation, which is why average moviegoers probably don't even realize it.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
That's my point.

The guy I was responding to is acting like AVATAR is just the "flavor of the week" all while ignoring the crazy tear it's been on in just a short time.
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Gotcha ;)
 
cms382 said:
The one gimmicky use of 3D I noticed was when they were cleaning out a pod and it sprayed right at the screen.
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There were a few moments like that but ultimately it was overly intrusive.

I had the Alice in Wonderland trailer run before AVATAR and that entire was full of groan worthy, oh it's coming out of the screen, gimmicks.
 
The use of 3D in Avatar was hardly revolutionary. I would say it was on par with Up. Cameron didn't change anything about cinema with Avatar, it's just another visual spectacle with little substance to back the effects up.
 
For those citing ticket prices.. isn't Avatar playing on a lot less screens than TDK and RoTK for example? Doesn't it even out really? I only paid $11.99, or $1 more than a regular weekend movie.
 
duderon said:
The use of 3D in Avatar was hardly revolutionary. I would say it was on par with Up. Cameron didn't change anything about cinema with Avatar, it's just another visual spectacle with little substance to back the effects up.
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This whole 3D new wave was started by Cameron. He developed much of the tech and was pushing 3D before Katzenberg. He co-developed the 3D Camera's now being used industry-wide for 3D. AVATAR just happened to release later than the first titles. AVATAR has similarly cemented 3D as a bankable medium. It is the benchmark for how 3D should be used in a film. Don't even talk to me about the post-processing bullshit in stuff like UP.

Also, the method of filming used for AVATAR is indeed revolutionary.
 
duderon said:
The use of 3D in Avatar was hardly revolutionary. I would say it was on par with Up. Cameron didn't change anything about cinema with Avatar, it's just another visual spectacle with little substance to back the effects up.
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Basically. I am still baffled why anyone would nominate it for best picture. That said at least the movie showed Cameron can still direct, writing however...

As far as 3-D goes Avatar did nothing to convince me it was anything but a gimmick. Personally, I forgot it was 3-D towards the end with so much shit going on.
 
duderon said:
The use of 3D in Avatar was hardly revolutionary. I would say it was on par with Up. Cameron didn't change anything about cinema with Avatar, it's just another visual spectacle with little substance to back the effects up.
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Uhh, the 3d was leaps and bounds ahead of anything i've ever seen and i've seen plenty of 3d. The glass effects were superb. Even the captioning was nicely done :lol
 
I hope Avatar takes Best Picture and Best Director too. Best score and best SFX is a lockdown.

Damn, this movie just needs to feed people more crow. :lol
 
See, I'm the exact opposite. I don't think I'll ever watch Avatar on my current home theatre. I don't think it could ever match the experience in 3D. Until I can see the film the way it was presented in digital 3D at home, I won't watch it.

It was up there with the most amazing movie experiences I have ever had.
 
Jibril said:
I hope Avatar takes Best Picture and Best Director too. Best score and best SFX is a lockdown.

Damn, this movie just needs to feed people more crow. :lol
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Erm, I think it will be lucky to even be nominated for best score.
 
Jibril said:
I hope Avatar takes Best Picture and Best Director too. Best score and best SFX is a lockdown.

Damn, this movie just needs to feed people more crow. :lol
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know about that, aside from SFX.

If avatar doesn't win for SFX...:lol :lol :lol :lol
 
Also worth noting that Avatar is catching up to TDK's domestic at an alarming pace. Only $41.6M behind after each respective movie's first 17 days. And lest we forget, TDK is the one with the uber huge opening weekend. Tis maybe just a matter of time.

:D
 
Scullibundo said:
Erm, I think it will be lucky to even be nominated for best score.
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It will be nominated and it will win.

Avatar does whatever it wants!

SpeedingUptoStop said:
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know about that, aside from SFX.

If avatar doesn't win for SFX...:lol :lol :lol :lol
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if Avatar doesn't win for SFX. The universe will implode.

btw people. Listen to this podcast: http://cdn1.libsyn.com/filmtalk/TFT...12&nva=20100105000412&t=0355de85cab93ad48f6b5 Many truths and even Armond White comes in to provide us comedic relief!
 
pestul said:
For those citing ticket prices.. isn't Avatar playing on a lot less screens than TDK and RoTK for example? Doesn't it even out really? I only paid $11.99, or $1 more than a regular weekend movie.
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Yup, fewer screens. Even this weekend, it's on fewer screens that Alvin or Sherlock Holmes. It also has a longer running time, leading to fewer showings per day.

As for people coming in and talking up ticket price inflation, that's a bogus argument. Ticket prices have gone up faster than inflation because the overall marketplace has been changing. Theaters are competing with the video and television markets, and rising prices are part of that competition, as theaters make up for lost ticket sales to the home movie formats.

So when people make the argument to adjust for ticket prices, or that Avatar is making so much because of 3D prices, they're actually saying we should pretend the movie was released into the same marketplace as Gone with the Wind, in 1939. Would Gone With the Wind have stayed in theaters for years on end if there was a home video or TV market? And if that's the argument you want to make, you need to pull in all the post-theater revenue the movie makes from DVD/Blu-Ray, etc. in order to level the field.

But since we don't have that information on hand, there's no point making the ticket price adjustment to begin with. Adjusting for broader consumer price inflation is fair.
 
Jibril said:
It will be nominated and it will win.

Avatar does whatever it wants!



if Avatar doesn't win for SFX. The universe will implode.
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You're a good guy Jibril, enthusiastic too - that's why I like you. It is also why I won't make a bet with you.
 
Scullibundo said:
You're a good guy Jibril, enthusiastic too - that's why I like you. It is also why I won't make a bet with you.
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GhaleonEB said:
Yup, fewer screens. Even this weekend, it's on fewer screens that Alvin or Sherlock Holmes. It also has a longer running time, leading to fewer showings per day.

As for people coming in and talking up ticket price inflation, that's a bogus argument. Ticket prices have gone up faster than inflation because the overall marketplace has been changing. Theaters are competing with the video and television markets, and rising prices are part of that competition, as theaters make up for lost ticket sales to the home movie formats.

So when people make the argument to adjust for ticket prices, or that Avatar is making so much because of 3D prices, they're actually saying we should pretend the movie was released into the same marketplace as Gone with the Wind, in 1939. Would Gone With the Wind have stayed in theaters for years on end if there was a home video or TV market? And if that's the argument you want to make, you need to pull in all the post-theater revenue the movie makes from DVD/Blu-Ray, etc. in order to level the field.

But since we don't have that information on hand, there's no point making the ticket price adjustment to begin with. Adjusting for broader consumer price inflation is fair.
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Not only that, but those people are ignoring the huge gamble that Cameron and FOX took with doing a widespread 3D release. Look in threads from the past couple years - it was considered suicide by many, many people. The amount of special screenings etc they had to do for theatre owners just to convince them it was worth upgrading is proof of that. They did all the work to make sure 3D was a success and they should reap the rewards.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
Only in presentation, which is why average moviegoers probably don't even realize it.
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While I don't disagree with you, I think the two have become pretty divergent, at least in their film versions.

To most people SciFi = aliens. Super Hero = human with super powers.

Both are really sub-genres of SciFi, but in the publics mind they are different.
 
Isn't there a lot of crow that needs to be dished out? These numbers are insane!

*Obligatory never bet against Cameron post*
 
I noticed "A Serious Man" was playing in the theater right near my apartment so I went to see it this week. Fantastic movie. I'd rather give the Coen brothers my money instead of Mr Cameron anyday. :D (not like he is hurting for money anyways :lol )
 
-How come dances with wolves didnt make so much money as avatar, its almost the same storyline.

-I always thought Titanic was succesful because of the boat also (but mostly because every teenage girl was in love with leonardo di caprio)

-And why is Pirates of the carribean 2 so popular? It doesnt even touch curse of the black pearl in quality.

-Your career has been launched sam worthington. (You made terminator salvation watchable because of your performance, that movie is still bad compared to terminator 1-2 from camerom).
 
jibblypop said:
I noticed "A Serious Man" was playing in the theater right near my apartment so I went to see it this week. Fantastic movie. I'd rather give the Coen brothers my money instead of Mr Cameron anyday. :D (not like he is hurting for money anyways :lol )
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nice, A Serious Man is my favorite film of the year.
 
If only TDK had an international presence. I don't know why it wasn't more popular outside NA, maybe it was missing the female appeal?
 
Ganondorfo said:
-How come dances with wolves didnt make so much money as avatar, its almost the same storyline.

-And why is Pirates of the carribean 2 so popular? It doesnt even touch curse of the black pearl in quality..
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Dances with Wolves was much longer, really fucking boring and the average ticket price was much lower. Also lacked awesome action scenes.

Good word of mouth from the first Pirates movie led to the second one doing so well. Pirates 2 wasn't as good, but also wasn't altogether terrible. It was Pirates 3 that was the real suckfest.
 
Lion Heart said:
If only TDK had an international presence. I don't know why it wasn't more popular outside NA, maybe it was missing the female appeal?
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It's funny, but the only Batman film to gross more internationally than domestically was... Batman & Robin. :lol

The rest had either a 60/40 or 55/45 split.
 
Scullibundo said:
Just wait. 6 months from now people on this forum will be downlplaying the success and saying 'Of course AVATAR was going to make that much money' and completely forget what a huge gamble the film was (if you forget that Cameron was on board).

I already see that people are mentioning that widespread 3D release is an unfair advantage, when before this the stigma of 3D movies made it even more of a gamble.
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Haha, as they do. The Avatar haters will all come out and make stupid excuses. As they do.

And the same type of people who think Titanic is awful will say the same about Avatar.

That's just how the world goes round.
 
$68,300,000 for AVATAR? Nice! I wasn’t far off with my $71,000,000 prediction. Unbelievable! :lol

Next week will be interesting since the holidays are over...it’ll determine if it’ll beat Titanic or not.
 
Tricky I Shadow said:
$68,300,000 for AVATAR? Nice! I wasn’t far off with my $71,000,000 prediction. Unbelievable! :lol

Next week will be interesting since the holidays are over...it’ll determine if it’ll beat Titanic or not.
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Anything below a 30% drop would be a win. We should already get idea of where it's going with monday's number. :P
 
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