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Tears of Wars AND Devil May Cry? Xbox is so gay...
In fact, is more like "the PeeAss Triple is doomed!!!!"
Kintaro said:Indeed. There is no past on GAF. Only the now. The now says SONY AM DOOMED. MICROSOFT AM WIN! SONY GOING 3RD PARTY!
Tomorrow, the "now" may be different.
To those of us smart enough to own both a PS3 and 360, the only question is, "which version do I pick up?" Which, in the end, is the sweetest, easiest decision of them all.
kevm3 said:Sony's being dumb about this. Phil Harrison was being idiotic for basically saying that the userbase can't support 3rd party titles alone. If the PS3 can't support GTA, how will it support other company's titles? What message does that send to those 3rd parties? That Square better move Final Fantasy to the 360 as well because the PS3 can't support it on its own? Konami better move Metal Gear Solid? If their userbase can't support third party titles, then how can they support their own big titles? What are they going to do, just accept these losses? How much is Killzone costing? I really don't buy into that little argument of, "Well it's all about 1st party this generation." No, it's not. Sony's trying to turn into Nintendo of old and they are going to get very much the same results Nintendo used to get. If Sony thinks they can try to be a 600 dollar Nintendo, then they'll face a very gruesome fate, and I'll have no pity on them for their arrogance. Sony's been talking big and basically dismissed the competition and now they may very well get slaughtered. It is time for Sony to reevaluate paying for 3rd party exclusives.
Only a relatively small userbase is going to pay 600 dollars for PS3 1st party titles, and with a hundred dollar price drop of the 360, Microsoft can drop the axe on Sony's head. And if Microsoft ever gets a significant userbase lead on the PS3, then it definitely won't be a 1st party battle because they will start to get free exclusives due to the userbase being able to support the games. Also, Microsoft's first party titles stack up quite well. Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza, etc. And for as much as Sony's emphasizing first party, its almost hard for me to care less about their first party efforts because THEY AREN'T SHOWING ANYTHING. We hardly have any media for their 1st party games, and what are gamers supposed to do, wait more months hoping Sony shows what they have while Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Forza and all of these other games drop on the 360?
Look at what the 360 has already released or is soon to release, and many of these future games are coming out on the same date:
Ace Combat (only announced for 360 right now)
Command and Conquer (only announced for 360 right now)
Lost Planet (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Dead Rising (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Virtua Fighter 5
Devil May Cry 4
Grand Theft Auto 4
Resident Evil 5
Ridge Racer 6
Armored Core
What 3rd parties basically looked at the situation and decided to abandon exclusivity? First it was Koei, then it was Sega, and now it's Capcom. Who's next? Namco? Square? If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.
It really hurts Sony that Microsoft is getting many of its biggest third party games ON THE SAME DAY. On the other hand, PS3 gamers have to wait for GRAW 2. They get to play Oblivion a year later (PS3 wasn't released yet, so that's understandable). It also hurts that Sony has never had to face up against a CHEAPER machine that basically has all of the same 3rd party games on the same machine and these titles look just as good, if not at times better. Sony is out of their mind if they think they can let the 360 have all of the same 3rd party games and just battle it out on 1st party, and have the gamer pay a premium on top of that.
I've been a Sony fan since the PS1 days, and it's more than disappointing to see what Sony is turning into. They are basically going in the opposite direction of what made me such a big fan of the previous two machines and into a direction that turned me off from Nintendo of old, which was my favorite company during the 8 and 16 bit days. As of right now, the PS3 is basically a 600 dollar portstation, and those ports aren't even particularly good. Does that sound extreme? Yes. Is it true? What other exclusive games other than Resistance and Motorstorm are PS3 gamers playing right now? Exactly. I could understand paying a premium if the ports were significantly better, but they're not. And Sony is being a hermit about its 1st party games. What exactly are they waiting for? The next tradeshow? Why? So Nintendo and Microsoft can continue to build up a lead and put themselves in a position to grab exclusives for free? So that more 3rd parties can defect from exclusivity status? What Sony needs to get through their heads is that they have to sell the PS3 as a GAMING machine. Only a small portion of the market has HD tvs or even really care about HD movies. Home will fail if they don't get enough users, and the primary reason anyone will buy a PS3 is the GAMES... not movies, not streaming, not whatever else Sony is trying to focus on.
I keep hearing, it's only been 4 months. So? In those 4 months they are losing exclusive after exclusive, and at a 500 to 600 price tag, there should be no excuses. Sony is trying to sell the PS3 off of hardware instead of gaming software, and if they don't change up that policy soon, they are going to lose bigtime.
As it was on the Xbox, so far the triggers (albeit the L trigger) are used for every game so far on the system that features a lock-on. I don't think you have to worry about that.C- Warrior said:I don't like the bumpers on the 360 pad.
Hopefully they put lock-on to right trigger as opposed to right bumper.
Other than a few semantics, this post makes a lot of sense...kevm3 said:-stuff-
kevm3 said:Sony's being dumb about this. Phil Harrison was being idiotic for basically saying that the userbase can't support 3rd party titles alone. If the PS3 can't support GTA, how will it support other company's titles? What message does that send to those 3rd parties? That Square better move Final Fantasy to the 360 as well because the PS3 can't support it on its own? Konami better move Metal Gear Solid? If their userbase can't support third party titles, then how can they support their own big titles? What are they going to do, just accept these losses? How much is Killzone costing? I really don't buy into that little argument of, "Well it's all about 1st party this generation." No, it's not. Sony's trying to turn into Nintendo of old and they are going to get very much the same results Nintendo used to get. If Sony thinks they can try to be a 600 dollar Nintendo, then they'll face a very gruesome fate, and I'll have no pity on them for their arrogance. Sony's been talking big and basically dismissed the competition and now they may very well get slaughtered. It is time for Sony to reevaluate paying for 3rd party exclusives.
Only a relatively small userbase is going to pay 600 dollars for PS3 1st party titles, and with a hundred dollar price drop of the 360, Microsoft can drop the axe on Sony's head. And if Microsoft ever gets a significant userbase lead on the PS3, then it definitely won't be a 1st party battle because they will start to get free exclusives due to the userbase being able to support the games. Also, Microsoft's first party titles stack up quite well. Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza, etc. And for as much as Sony's emphasizing first party, its almost hard for me to care less about their first party efforts because THEY AREN'T SHOWING ANYTHING. We hardly have any media for their 1st party games, and what are gamers supposed to do, wait more months hoping Sony shows what they have while Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Forza and all of these other games drop on the 360?
Look at what the 360 has already released or is soon to release, and many of these future games are coming out on the same date:
Ace Combat (only announced for 360 right now)
Command and Conquer (only announced for 360 right now)
Lost Planet (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Dead Rising (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Virtua Fighter 5
Devil May Cry 4
Grand Theft Auto 4
Resident Evil 5
Ridge Racer 6
Armored Core
What 3rd parties basically looked at the situation and decided to abandon exclusivity? First it was Koei, then it was Sega, and now it's Capcom. Who's next? Namco? Square? If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.
It really hurts Sony that Microsoft is getting many of its biggest third party games ON THE SAME DAY. On the other hand, PS3 gamers have to wait for GRAW 2. They get to play Oblivion a year later (PS3 wasn't released yet, so that's understandable). It also hurts that Sony has never had to face up against a CHEAPER machine that basically has all of the same 3rd party games on the same machine and these titles look just as good, if not at times better. Sony is out of their mind if they think they can let the 360 have all of the same 3rd party games and just battle it out on 1st party, and have the gamer pay a premium on top of that.
I've been a Sony fan since the PS1 days, and it's more than disappointing to see what Sony is turning into. They are basically going in the opposite direction of what made me such a big fan of the previous two machines and into a direction that turned me off from Nintendo of old, which was my favorite company during the 8 and 16 bit days. As of right now, the PS3 is basically a 600 dollar portstation, and those ports aren't even particularly good. Does that sound extreme? Yes. Is it true? What other exclusive games other than Resistance and Motorstorm are PS3 gamers playing right now? Exactly. I could understand paying a premium if the ports were significantly better, but they're not. And Sony is being a hermit about its 1st party games. What exactly are they waiting for? The next tradeshow? Why? So Nintendo and Microsoft can continue to build up a lead and put themselves in a position to grab exclusives for free? So that more 3rd parties can defect from exclusivity status? What Sony needs to get through their heads is that they have to sell the PS3 as a GAMING machine. Only a small portion of the market has HD tvs or even really care about HD movies. Home will fail if they don't get enough users, and the primary reason anyone will buy a PS3 is the GAMES... not movies, not streaming, not whatever else Sony is trying to focus on.
I keep hearing, it's only been 4 months. So? In those 4 months they are losing exclusive after exclusive, and at a 500 to 600 price tag, there should be no excuses. Sony is trying to sell the PS3 off of hardware instead of gaming software, and if they don't change up that policy soon, they are going to lose bigtime.
raYne said:As it was on the Xbox, so far the triggers (albeit the L trigger) are used for every game so far on the system that features a lock-on. I don't think you have to worry about that.
Other than a few semantics, this post makes a lot of sense...
I'll allow it.
I love Sony but I have to disagree with that statement.J-Rzez said:That's ****ing rediculous... Sony has the largest first party resource out of all three... you mean to tell me that isn't reason enough? They own one of the highest selling franchises of all time even... Sony saw this coming, and they reacted properly... With rising dev costs, third parties have to take this route to make their money back... It's common sense... what, did you expect Sony just to throw millions and millions of dollars away on every exclusive 3rd party title they had before...
Sony instead, threw the money at buying up IP's from devs.... Stuff they can invest in a long time... I doubt Capcom was willing to give up the DMC IP... But, Insomniac was willing to give them Rachet and Resistance... So who is Sony going to support... Sony also purchased devs to expand SCEWWS, like Zipper and Gorilla, created great NEW IP's like GoW as well...
Sony has a lot of games in the works right now according to Harrison... and that's what is going to win this war... First Party stuff, because that's basically the only stuff for sure not going anywhere... And it seems Sony has the largest resources on their side for that...
There's more than enough reason to buy a PS3... Just as much at least as to buy a 360... If you like games, that is...
Also, it seems there's more quality games out SOONER on the PS3 in it's first year in sheer quantity as well, than there was so soon on their prior systems... 1st/3rd party wise... Hell, we got an AAA title AT LAUNCH from them this time as well... the 360 was out for a year earlier, devs had more time, how can you compare it? As far as I know, the PS3 has a better lineup in the period of it's launch time than the 360 did... And I know, I have a 360 as well...
Yep. If it's not a face button biased game, triggers are always the primary in pretty much everything. The bumpers are for secondary uses.C- Warrior said:So basically most devs. view the triggers as the primary shoulder button witht he bumper being supplementary? Sounds good.
Jirotrom said:I love Sony but I have to disagree with that statement.
Its true that the PS3 has a much better lineup than the 360 did at launch for the year. The problem is is that it is competing head on with the 360 right now...and the Wii to a certain extent. The general consumer can give a damn about the comparison of 360s first year to the PS3s what matters is what is happening now.
Boo 3D fighting games once 360 starts getting STREET FIGHTER games then it will be GAME OVERNeomoto said:![]()
:lol Somehow I feel this isn't the end of Sony losing key titles.
raYne said:As it was on the Xbox, so far the triggers (albeit the L trigger) are used for every game so far on the system that features a lock-on. I don't think you have to worry about that.
J-Rzez said:They do have the largest First Party resource though, that's all I'm saying... Out of the three, they have the most personnel and such as far as development teams go... There was even a chart floating around showing that IIRC...
We will see more and more titles from these guys... It's just a matter of time and spacing...
All this other nonsense is going to do is make it so there isn't a dominate force in market share this time, which is a good thing... It'll drive them to compete with each other even more next round... We got some fantastic hardware from MS and Sony this round because of the competition generated last round, I can't wait to see what would happen if it's a closer war and they push each other even harder...
DarknessTear said:Didn't Jaffe say he was working on GoW3 stuff?
No one should play DOAX2...Son of Godzilla said:Someone hasn't played DOAX2!
VASPER said:Reason to own a faxstation 3 for GOW3 im loving 2 but yup suck that PS3 is loosing games
B-Ri said:its cause the cool thing to do is hate on sony. You talk as if Dead Rising and Lost Planet arent already established franchises. How many have both sold? Im willing to wager its on par if not more then DMC3
J-Rzez said:They do have the largest First Party resource though, that's all I'm saying... Out of the three, they have the most personnel and such as far as development teams go... There was even a chart floating around showing that IIRC...
We will see more and more titles from these guys... It's just a matter of time and spacing...
All this other nonsense is going to do is make it so there isn't a dominate force in market share this time, which is a good thing... It'll drive them to compete with each other even more next round... We got some fantastic hardware from MS and Sony this round because of the competition generated last round, I can't wait to see what would happen if it's a closer war and they push each other even harder...
DarknessTear said:Didn't Jaffe say he was working on GoW3 stuff?
VASPER said:Reason to own a faxstation 3 for GOW3 im loving 2 but yup suck that PS3 is loosing games
TONX said:this time, in english.
No. That is desilusional. The average Playstation buyer has usually bought the console due to third party titles: Final fantasy, metal gear, devil may cry, GTA... heck, the public associated these titles so strongly with Playstation that I have seen casuals claiming that these games are made by Sony itself. While I loved Ico and God of War, Sony first party is miles beyond Microsoft's offerings, not to mention Nintendo's.If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.
That's ****ing rediculous... Sony has the largest first party resource out of all three... you mean to tell me that isn't reason enough?
Ikael said:No. That is desilusional. The average Playstation buyer has usually bought the console due to third party titles: Final fantasy, metal gear, devil may cry, GTA... heck, the public associated these titles so strongly with Playstation that I have seen casuals claiming that these games are made by Sony itself. While I loved Ico and God of War, Sony first party is miles beyond Microsoft's offerings, not to mention Nintendo's.
meltpotato said:GT has been a big hardware pusher since it first hit the market. one can only imagine that will continue with gt5. although i feel like the franchise has lost a bit of its luster, it is definitely the most underestimated first party title in gaming today.
C- Warrior said:whats the link to his blog?
Oblivion said:GT is currently the most powerful weapon in Sony's arsenal at the moment, but the barrier to entry is still damn high. Not to mention, GT4 sold much much less than GT3.
Also, I've said this a thousand times, but Sony's First party offerings work best as supplements, not as the pillars that support the Playstation.
jj984jj said:Can I cross Tekken 6 out yet?
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and that is bad for capcom why...?justjohn said:really really bad on capcom's part to announce this game on the eve of the ps3 lauch. in europe
elostyle said:and that is bad for capcom why...?
meltpotato said:i'm just really worried that they are going to send GT5 to die with microtransactions. i over-reacted and pretty much lost it when they were first making mention of all those microtransaction schemes for it. to me, it is the only title i see in their line-up as a bonafide hardware mover. there are a lot of people who will buy hardware simply based on the best AAA racer out there.
really really bad on capcom's part to announce this game on the eve of the ps3 lauch. in europe
Oblivion said:Sounds about right for Capcom, though.
Green Shinobi said:I think Capcom saw the opportunity to fill a large hole in the 360 lineup. For 2007, the 360 has tons of shooters (of course), racing games, RPGs both Western and Eastern, strategy games, and they have the fighting genre covered with VF5. But the only 3rd person action/adventure title of note was Too Human and maybe Kingdom Under Fire (though I thought this was more of an RPG?).
I'm a 360 owner, and I've been craving a good 3rd person action/adventure title. I'll buy this on day 1.
Grecco said:Except it is.
Tabris said:It's not like DMC was that high of a selling game.
Only game I would stop being a "sony fanboy" for is Final Fantasy (you know, the actual games, not the spin-offs). Wake me up when that happens and I'll care.
Hey, is there a point to where the Sony hate is so much that it becomes cool to like Sony and we can start discussing the positives again? Wake me up when that happens too.