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Kintaro said:
Indeed. There is no past on GAF. Only the now. The now says SONY AM DOOMED. MICROSOFT AM WIN! SONY GOING 3RD PARTY!

Tomorrow, the "now" may be different.

To those of us smart enough to own both a PS3 and 360, the only question is, "which version do I pick up?" Which, in the end, is the sweetest, easiest decision of them all.

I don't like the bumpers on the 360 pad.

Hopefully they put lock-on to right trigger as opposed to right bumper.
 
kevm3 said:
Sony's being dumb about this. Phil Harrison was being idiotic for basically saying that the userbase can't support 3rd party titles alone. If the PS3 can't support GTA, how will it support other company's titles? What message does that send to those 3rd parties? That Square better move Final Fantasy to the 360 as well because the PS3 can't support it on its own? Konami better move Metal Gear Solid? If their userbase can't support third party titles, then how can they support their own big titles? What are they going to do, just accept these losses? How much is Killzone costing? I really don't buy into that little argument of, "Well it's all about 1st party this generation." No, it's not. Sony's trying to turn into Nintendo of old and they are going to get very much the same results Nintendo used to get. If Sony thinks they can try to be a 600 dollar Nintendo, then they'll face a very gruesome fate, and I'll have no pity on them for their arrogance. Sony's been talking big and basically dismissed the competition and now they may very well get slaughtered. It is time for Sony to reevaluate paying for 3rd party exclusives.

Only a relatively small userbase is going to pay 600 dollars for PS3 1st party titles, and with a hundred dollar price drop of the 360, Microsoft can drop the axe on Sony's head. And if Microsoft ever gets a significant userbase lead on the PS3, then it definitely won't be a 1st party battle because they will start to get free exclusives due to the userbase being able to support the games. Also, Microsoft's first party titles stack up quite well. Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza, etc. And for as much as Sony's emphasizing first party, its almost hard for me to care less about their first party efforts because THEY AREN'T SHOWING ANYTHING. We hardly have any media for their 1st party games, and what are gamers supposed to do, wait more months hoping Sony shows what they have while Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Forza and all of these other games drop on the 360?

Look at what the 360 has already released or is soon to release, and many of these future games are coming out on the same date:
Ace Combat (only announced for 360 right now)
Command and Conquer (only announced for 360 right now)
Lost Planet (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Dead Rising (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Virtua Fighter 5
Devil May Cry 4
Grand Theft Auto 4
Resident Evil 5
Ridge Racer 6
Armored Core

What 3rd parties basically looked at the situation and decided to abandon exclusivity? First it was Koei, then it was Sega, and now it's Capcom. Who's next? Namco? Square? If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.

It really hurts Sony that Microsoft is getting many of its biggest third party games ON THE SAME DAY. On the other hand, PS3 gamers have to wait for GRAW 2. They get to play Oblivion a year later (PS3 wasn't released yet, so that's understandable). It also hurts that Sony has never had to face up against a CHEAPER machine that basically has all of the same 3rd party games on the same machine and these titles look just as good, if not at times better. Sony is out of their mind if they think they can let the 360 have all of the same 3rd party games and just battle it out on 1st party, and have the gamer pay a premium on top of that.

I've been a Sony fan since the PS1 days, and it's more than disappointing to see what Sony is turning into. They are basically going in the opposite direction of what made me such a big fan of the previous two machines and into a direction that turned me off from Nintendo of old, which was my favorite company during the 8 and 16 bit days. As of right now, the PS3 is basically a 600 dollar portstation, and those ports aren't even particularly good. Does that sound extreme? Yes. Is it true? What other exclusive games other than Resistance and Motorstorm are PS3 gamers playing right now? Exactly. I could understand paying a premium if the ports were significantly better, but they're not. And Sony is being a hermit about its 1st party games. What exactly are they waiting for? The next tradeshow? Why? So Nintendo and Microsoft can continue to build up a lead and put themselves in a position to grab exclusives for free? So that more 3rd parties can defect from exclusivity status? What Sony needs to get through their heads is that they have to sell the PS3 as a GAMING machine. Only a small portion of the market has HD tvs or even really care about HD movies. Home will fail if they don't get enough users, and the primary reason anyone will buy a PS3 is the GAMES... not movies, not streaming, not whatever else Sony is trying to focus on.

I keep hearing, it's only been 4 months. So? In those 4 months they are losing exclusive after exclusive, and at a 500 to 600 price tag, there should be no excuses. Sony is trying to sell the PS3 off of hardware instead of gaming software, and if they don't change up that policy soon, they are going to lose bigtime.


this man just made an awesome post
 
C- Warrior said:
I don't like the bumpers on the 360 pad.

Hopefully they put lock-on to right trigger as opposed to right bumper.
As it was on the Xbox, so far the triggers (albeit the L trigger) are used for every game so far on the system that features a lock-on. I don't think you have to worry about that.

kevm3 said:
Other than a few semantics, this post makes a lot of sense...

I'll allow it.
 
kevm3 said:
Sony's being dumb about this. Phil Harrison was being idiotic for basically saying that the userbase can't support 3rd party titles alone. If the PS3 can't support GTA, how will it support other company's titles? What message does that send to those 3rd parties? That Square better move Final Fantasy to the 360 as well because the PS3 can't support it on its own? Konami better move Metal Gear Solid? If their userbase can't support third party titles, then how can they support their own big titles? What are they going to do, just accept these losses? How much is Killzone costing? I really don't buy into that little argument of, "Well it's all about 1st party this generation." No, it's not. Sony's trying to turn into Nintendo of old and they are going to get very much the same results Nintendo used to get. If Sony thinks they can try to be a 600 dollar Nintendo, then they'll face a very gruesome fate, and I'll have no pity on them for their arrogance. Sony's been talking big and basically dismissed the competition and now they may very well get slaughtered. It is time for Sony to reevaluate paying for 3rd party exclusives.

Only a relatively small userbase is going to pay 600 dollars for PS3 1st party titles, and with a hundred dollar price drop of the 360, Microsoft can drop the axe on Sony's head. And if Microsoft ever gets a significant userbase lead on the PS3, then it definitely won't be a 1st party battle because they will start to get free exclusives due to the userbase being able to support the games. Also, Microsoft's first party titles stack up quite well. Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza, etc. And for as much as Sony's emphasizing first party, its almost hard for me to care less about their first party efforts because THEY AREN'T SHOWING ANYTHING. We hardly have any media for their 1st party games, and what are gamers supposed to do, wait more months hoping Sony shows what they have while Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Forza and all of these other games drop on the 360?

Look at what the 360 has already released or is soon to release, and many of these future games are coming out on the same date:
Ace Combat (only announced for 360 right now)
Command and Conquer (only announced for 360 right now)
Lost Planet (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Dead Rising (only announced for 360 at the moment)
Virtua Fighter 5
Devil May Cry 4
Grand Theft Auto 4
Resident Evil 5
Ridge Racer 6
Armored Core

What 3rd parties basically looked at the situation and decided to abandon exclusivity? First it was Koei, then it was Sega, and now it's Capcom. Who's next? Namco? Square? If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.

It really hurts Sony that Microsoft is getting many of its biggest third party games ON THE SAME DAY. On the other hand, PS3 gamers have to wait for GRAW 2. They get to play Oblivion a year later (PS3 wasn't released yet, so that's understandable). It also hurts that Sony has never had to face up against a CHEAPER machine that basically has all of the same 3rd party games on the same machine and these titles look just as good, if not at times better. Sony is out of their mind if they think they can let the 360 have all of the same 3rd party games and just battle it out on 1st party, and have the gamer pay a premium on top of that.

I've been a Sony fan since the PS1 days, and it's more than disappointing to see what Sony is turning into. They are basically going in the opposite direction of what made me such a big fan of the previous two machines and into a direction that turned me off from Nintendo of old, which was my favorite company during the 8 and 16 bit days. As of right now, the PS3 is basically a 600 dollar portstation, and those ports aren't even particularly good. Does that sound extreme? Yes. Is it true? What other exclusive games other than Resistance and Motorstorm are PS3 gamers playing right now? Exactly. I could understand paying a premium if the ports were significantly better, but they're not. And Sony is being a hermit about its 1st party games. What exactly are they waiting for? The next tradeshow? Why? So Nintendo and Microsoft can continue to build up a lead and put themselves in a position to grab exclusives for free? So that more 3rd parties can defect from exclusivity status? What Sony needs to get through their heads is that they have to sell the PS3 as a GAMING machine. Only a small portion of the market has HD tvs or even really care about HD movies. Home will fail if they don't get enough users, and the primary reason anyone will buy a PS3 is the GAMES... not movies, not streaming, not whatever else Sony is trying to focus on.

I keep hearing, it's only been 4 months. So? In those 4 months they are losing exclusive after exclusive, and at a 500 to 600 price tag, there should be no excuses. Sony is trying to sell the PS3 off of hardware instead of gaming software, and if they don't change up that policy soon, they are going to lose bigtime.

Nice post. Very well said, but doesn't this you guys of anything.....the PS.......
 
raYne said:
As it was on the Xbox, so far the triggers (albeit the L trigger) are used for every game so far on the system that features a lock-on. I don't think you have to worry about that.


Other than a few semantics, this post makes a lot of sense...

I'll allow it.

So basically most devs. view the triggers as the primary shoulder button witht he bumper being supplementary? Sounds good.
 
J-Rzez said:
That's ****ing rediculous... Sony has the largest first party resource out of all three... you mean to tell me that isn't reason enough? They own one of the highest selling franchises of all time even... Sony saw this coming, and they reacted properly... With rising dev costs, third parties have to take this route to make their money back... It's common sense... what, did you expect Sony just to throw millions and millions of dollars away on every exclusive 3rd party title they had before...

Sony instead, threw the money at buying up IP's from devs.... Stuff they can invest in a long time... I doubt Capcom was willing to give up the DMC IP... But, Insomniac was willing to give them Rachet and Resistance... So who is Sony going to support... Sony also purchased devs to expand SCEWWS, like Zipper and Gorilla, created great NEW IP's like GoW as well...

Sony has a lot of games in the works right now according to Harrison... and that's what is going to win this war... First Party stuff, because that's basically the only stuff for sure not going anywhere... And it seems Sony has the largest resources on their side for that...

There's more than enough reason to buy a PS3... Just as much at least as to buy a 360... If you like games, that is...

Also, it seems there's more quality games out SOONER on the PS3 in it's first year in sheer quantity as well, than there was so soon on their prior systems... 1st/3rd party wise... Hell, we got an AAA title AT LAUNCH from them this time as well... the 360 was out for a year earlier, devs had more time, how can you compare it? As far as I know, the PS3 has a better lineup in the period of it's launch time than the 360 did... And I know, I have a 360 as well...
I love Sony but I have to disagree with that statement.

Its true that the PS3 has a much better lineup than the 360 did at launch for the year. The problem is is that it is competing head on with the 360 right now...and the Wii to a certain extent. The general consumer can give a damn about the comparison of 360s first year to the PS3s what matters is what is happening now. Also in the end software sales are important...Sony needs a big well known game or a masterful original IP pronto.
 
C- Warrior said:
So basically most devs. view the triggers as the primary shoulder button witht he bumper being supplementary? Sounds good.
Yep. If it's not a face button biased game, triggers are always the primary in pretty much everything. The bumpers are for secondary uses.
 
Jirotrom said:
I love Sony but I have to disagree with that statement.

Its true that the PS3 has a much better lineup than the 360 did at launch for the year. The problem is is that it is competing head on with the 360 right now...and the Wii to a certain extent. The general consumer can give a damn about the comparison of 360s first year to the PS3s what matters is what is happening now.

They do have the largest First Party resource though, that's all I'm saying... Out of the three, they have the most personnel and such as far as development teams go... There was even a chart floating around showing that IIRC...

We will see more and more titles from these guys... It's just a matter of time and spacing...

All this other nonsense is going to do is make it so there isn't a dominate force in market share this time, which is a good thing... It'll drive them to compete with each other even more next round... We got some fantastic hardware from MS and Sony this round because of the competition generated last round, I can't wait to see what would happen if it's a closer war and they push each other even harder...
 
Neomoto said:
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:lol Somehow I feel this isn't the end of Sony losing key titles.
Boo 3D fighting games once 360 starts getting STREET FIGHTER games then it will be GAME OVER
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J-Rzez said:
They do have the largest First Party resource though, that's all I'm saying... Out of the three, they have the most personnel and such as far as development teams go... There was even a chart floating around showing that IIRC...

We will see more and more titles from these guys... It's just a matter of time and spacing...

All this other nonsense is going to do is make it so there isn't a dominate force in market share this time, which is a good thing... It'll drive them to compete with each other even more next round... We got some fantastic hardware from MS and Sony this round because of the competition generated last round, I can't wait to see what would happen if it's a closer war and they push each other even harder...


$1000 consoles?
 
B-Ri said:
its cause the cool thing to do is hate on sony. You talk as if Dead Rising and Lost Planet arent already established franchises. How many have both sold? Im willing to wager its on par if not more then DMC3

You are confusing established franchise with successful first release.

When we're talking about Dead Rising 3, then we are talking about an established franchise.

Either way, the news isn't as big as DMC no longer being just on the Playstation.
 
J-Rzez said:
They do have the largest First Party resource though, that's all I'm saying... Out of the three, they have the most personnel and such as far as development teams go... There was even a chart floating around showing that IIRC...

We will see more and more titles from these guys... It's just a matter of time and spacing...

All this other nonsense is going to do is make it so there isn't a dominate force in market share this time, which is a good thing... It'll drive them to compete with each other even more next round... We got some fantastic hardware from MS and Sony this round because of the competition generated last round, I can't wait to see what would happen if it's a closer war and they push each other even harder...

Ok...I see what you were talking about now...I think the point that people are trying to make is that Sony needs exclusives now to justify the price. If this goes on to long it will be too late as devs arent gonna all of a sudden go back to exclusivity with Sony unless the deem it worthwhile. 360 will be picking up steam this year but it still is unsure that the PS3 will. DMC4 was one of those games I was going to purchase a PS3 for VF4 was another. I'm sure for others this may be the same case as well and it doesnt look good. Im sure original IPs will be released but they need to gain consumers with some known products first.
 
Capcom are just being clever bunnies, hedging their bets in a way, ensuring max. profits like any business worth their salt.

Whatever the PS3 does in the USA and Europe, it appears that the 360 is all but dead in Japan, which just compounds the idea that Japan is very self-centric when it comes to the video games industry, which is understandable in a way since a lot of the big names originate there.

Given that the 360 has had such a head start of the PS3, it already has a strong, established userbase, outside Japan, and an excellent online system - software companies should want to take advantage of that, so kudos to Capcom for being one of the few, if not the most, prominent, Japanese software firms to take advantage of this, with new IP's.

They reaped the rewards with Dead Rising and Lost Planet which have been successful and even system sellers, so I think other Japanese software companies should be, and hopefully are, taking note, that there is a market outside of Japan, and it isn't necessarily a secondary market.

A lot of Japanese companies could be accused of sitting on their ass and pumping out sequel after sequel of proven IP's (Capcom more than anyone), and I think this gen. might be a bit of a wake-up call to them that they have to look outside their comfort zone to thrive in such a fluid and fickle market.

It looks like Sega are taking note with their recent multi-platform big name titles, and as for Capcom, I fully expect the sequels to Dead Rising and Lost Planet to be multi-format too, and I can't see anything but good things coming out of that.
 
VASPER said:
Reason to own a faxstation 3 for GOW3 im loving 2 but yup suck that PS3 is loosing games

TONX said:
this time, in english.

This is my translation:
I equate the Playstation 3 to being nothing but a fax machine, which has become quite useless in and of itself since the invention of electronic mail processed over the internet; God of War 2 is a masterpiece of modern game design, but I will not be purchasing a Playstation 3 to play God of War 3 because that is the only exclusive game that will ever come out on the Sony Playstation 3.

I think it may have lost its d'une personne in translation.
 
If PS3 sales take off (they are bound to at some point, at least in Europe) and publishers like Capcom start to have bona fide smash hits that are released for both platforms, we could see an interesting dynamic emerge. We could see an environment where the Capcoms can release some huge budget titles at a profit, titles that are so expensive that the first parties simply cannot match them unless they are willing to lose money on a hot game just to make their platform attractive.

Potentially there is Return on Investment (and cost recovery) to be made in the third party space that the first parties cannot match.
 
If they lose Final Fantasy or Metal Gear, there's really little reason for the average gamer to own a PS3.

That's ****ing rediculous... Sony has the largest first party resource out of all three... you mean to tell me that isn't reason enough?
No. That is desilusional. The average Playstation buyer has usually bought the console due to third party titles: Final fantasy, metal gear, devil may cry, GTA... heck, the public associated these titles so strongly with Playstation that I have seen casuals claiming that these games are made by Sony itself. While I loved Ico and God of War, Sony first party is miles beyond Microsoft's offerings, not to mention Nintendo's.
 
Ikael said:
No. That is desilusional. The average Playstation buyer has usually bought the console due to third party titles: Final fantasy, metal gear, devil may cry, GTA... heck, the public associated these titles so strongly with Playstation that I have seen casuals claiming that these games are made by Sony itself. While I loved Ico and God of War, Sony first party is miles beyond Microsoft's offerings, not to mention Nintendo's.

GT has been a big hardware pusher since it first hit the market. one can only imagine that will continue with gt5. although i feel like the franchise has lost a bit of its luster, it is definitely the most underestimated first party title in gaming today.
 
meltpotato said:
GT has been a big hardware pusher since it first hit the market. one can only imagine that will continue with gt5. although i feel like the franchise has lost a bit of its luster, it is definitely the most underestimated first party title in gaming today.

GT is currently the most powerful weapon in Sony's arsenal at the moment, but the barrier to entry is still damn high. Not to mention, GT4 sold much much less than GT3.

Also, I've said this a thousand times, but Sony's First party offerings work best as supplements, not as the pillars that support the Playstation.
 
Oblivion said:
GT is currently the most powerful weapon in Sony's arsenal at the moment, but the barrier to entry is still damn high. Not to mention, GT4 sold much much less than GT3.

Also, I've said this a thousand times, but Sony's First party offerings work best as supplements, not as the pillars that support the Playstation.

i'm just really worried that they are going to send GT5 to die with microtransactions. i over-reacted and pretty much lost it when they were first making mention of all those microtransaction schemes for it. to me, it is the only title i see in their line-up as a bonafide hardware mover. there are a lot of people who will buy hardware simply based on the best AAA racer out there.
 
meltpotato said:
i'm just really worried that they are going to send GT5 to die with microtransactions. i over-reacted and pretty much lost it when they were first making mention of all those microtransaction schemes for it. to me, it is the only title i see in their line-up as a bonafide hardware mover. there are a lot of people who will buy hardware simply based on the best AAA racer out there.

Well, I don't think it'll bomb, but it will most likely sell the least amount of any GT game (minus that GT Portable, if it still exists..)

really really bad on capcom's part to announce this game on the eve of the ps3 lauch. in europe

Sounds about right for Capcom, though.
 
Oblivion said:
Sounds about right for Capcom, though.

Capcom (a) has two of the marquee titles on the 360 currently & (b) has more next gen content on the 360 than the ps3. so if the announcement actually turns a few more buyers toward the 360 as opposed to the ps3, then it is actually a good thing for them.
 
They talked about this on Attack of the Show. One of the presenters said something to the effect "at this rate Metal Gear is all the PS3 has got left". Damn.
 
I think Capcom saw the opportunity to fill a large hole in the 360 lineup. For 2007, the 360 has tons of shooters (of course), racing games, RPGs both Western and Eastern, strategy games, and they have the fighting genre covered with VF5. But the only 3rd person action/adventure title of note was Too Human and maybe Kingdom Under Fire (though I thought this was more of an RPG?).

I'm a 360 owner, and I've been craving a good 3rd person action/adventure title. I'll buy this on day 1.
 
Green Shinobi said:
I think Capcom saw the opportunity to fill a large hole in the 360 lineup. For 2007, the 360 has tons of shooters (of course), racing games, RPGs both Western and Eastern, strategy games, and they have the fighting genre covered with VF5. But the only 3rd person action/adventure title of note was Too Human and maybe Kingdom Under Fire (though I thought this was more of an RPG?).

I'm a 360 owner, and I've been craving a good 3rd person action/adventure title. I'll buy this on day 1.

It's true. People always say Capcom like being a big fish in a small pond, but the 360 is a really good place for them. Nobody is putting out stuff like them.
 
This shouldn't be surprising news to anyone. Capcom has had some tremendous recent success on the 360 and putting DMC4 on as many platforms as possible makes them winnar.
 
It's not like DMC was that high of a selling game.

Only game I would stop being a "sony fanboy" for is Final Fantasy (you know, the actual games, not the spin-offs). Wake me up when that happens and I'll care.

Hey, is there a point to where the Sony hate is so much that it becomes cool to like Sony and we can start discussing the positives again? Wake me up when that happens too.
 
Tabris said:
It's not like DMC was that high of a selling game.

Only game I would stop being a "sony fanboy" for is Final Fantasy (you know, the actual games, not the spin-offs). Wake me up when that happens and I'll care.

Hey, is there a point to where the Sony hate is so much that it becomes cool to like Sony and we can start discussing the positives again? Wake me up when that happens too.



Last year, one of the biggest Xbox 360 games was released. This game was The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion. It sold over a million copies, and garnered much critical acclaim.

Just now, PS3 owners are discovering it for themselves.

At the end of this year, Capcom will release a game which was touted by Sony as definitive proof that they still had the games everyone wants to play. Grand Theft Auto. Final Fantasy. Metal Gear Solid. Devil May Cry. They wanted everyone to know that these franchises were Playstation-bound once again.

Now, one of them is heading to the Xbox 360 at the same time. It's not even a timed PS3 exclusive. This is a pretty big deal, that the premier action game franchise of our time is exclusive no more.

Square-Enix might not see the incentive to make Final Fantasy XIII multiplatform because by the time that game gets released, the PS3 should have a decent userbase.
 
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