ok, when the hell does star trek tng get better?

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soco said:
This is wrong. i used to agree, but there are some good episodes in season 2. she actually serves an important part of challenging the team by her constant opposition to Data, and in the process helps Data's character develop significantly.

"Elementary, Dear Data"
"The Measure of a Man"
"Peak Performance" -- also decent
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McCoy with boobs. She'd be more likeable if she wasn't just a clone of Bones in terms of personality etc.
 
The appeal of McCoy was that he was curmudgeonly and down-to-earth in a charming and likeable way. They failed to capture this appeal in Pulaski, who just came across as a pushy know-it-all.
 
Also, I thought the Voyager episode that was truly the most hated was the one where the captain makes a blindingly stupid and morally incomprehensible decision that leads to the destruction of an entire race, or something equally catastrophic.

Oh wait, I think I'm thinking of Enterprise where that happens. Which makes sense because Archer was the most oafishly clueless captain in the history of televised Starfleet.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Also, I thought the Voyager episode that was truly the most hated was the one where the captain makes a blindingly stupid and morally incomprehensible decision that leads to the destruction of an entire race, or something equally catastrophic.
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Wasn't that Voyagers yearly theme episode? Like DS9 Had its "O'Brien must suffer" episode every year.
 
DrForester said:
Wasn't that Voyagers yearly theme episode? Like DS9 Had its "O'Brien must suffer" episode every year.
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Oh man, that one where he had to serve a life sentence in the mind prison... that was fucked up.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Oh man, that one where he had to serve a life sentence in the mind prison... that was fucked up.
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Then there's one where he watches himself die of radiation poisoning.

Then there's one where he finds out he's a clone and gets killed.

Then there's one where he's arrested and tried by Cardassians.

Then there's one where he has to stab a friend working for the Orion Syndicate in the back.

Then there's one where he loses his daughter for 10 years.

Then there's one where an alien kidnaps his wife and forces him to go rogue.

Then there's one where he gets his ass kicked by a deranged Garak.

I'm sure there's more.
 
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Holy shit my childhood.
 
O'Brien always got the short end of the stick. In one episode they get boarded by the Dominion, and of course he's the only one who gets put into a death grip by one of the soldiers.

But he does get to bitchslap Dax at one point
 
Htown said:
Yeah, consensus says that season 3 (with bearded Riker) and on is the best part of TNG.
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Why do people consistently use this as their qualifier? Riker first got his beard in season 2.
 
I'm watching season 3 right now and I'm finding it to easily be worse than season 2 (with the exception of the Irish space hillbilly episode, which is season 1 bad, and the clips episode finale). I'm only 11 episodes into it so far, and I know that it ends on some high notes, but the stories so far have just been so generic and uneventful. The Romulan defector was a good one though.

I've started watching them on the PS3 with subtitles on at 1.5x speed to shave 15 minutes of my viewing time. It's mostly talking so it doesn't hurt the show much. It makes the awful Troi-In-Love episodes tolerable and the fight scenes AWESOME. I think I'll probably watch Voyager in fast forward too.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I remember that episode and don't recall it being THAT bad. Interested to learn that it had been stripped from canon; I didn't know that. Why exactly is it hated so much?
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Its been stripped in the sense that it is ignored. In later episodes, dialogue is spoken that directly contradicts the events and infers they never happened (though for the life of me I can't recall the lines themselves).

Regarding the quality of the episode, here's what Brannon Braga (courtesy of Memory Alpha) thinks about it:

"I wrote the episode, or at least the teleplay. It's a terrible episode. People are very unforgiving about that episode. I've written well over a hundred episodes of Star Trek, yet it seems to be the only episode anyone brings up, you know? "Brannon Braga, who wrote Threshold!" Out of a hundred and some episodes, you're gonna have some stinkers! Unfortunately, that was a royal, steaming stinker. And... it had some good intentions behind it. It had a good premise, breaking the warp 10 barrier. I don't know where this whole "de-evolving into a lizard" thing came from. I may have blocked it out. I think I was trying to make a statement about evolution not necessarily being evolving toward higher organisms, that evolution may also be a de-evolution. You know, we kind of take it for granted that evolution means bigger brains, more technology, you know, more refined civilization. When in fact, for all we know, we're evolving back toward a more primordial state. Ultimately, who can predict? Unfortunately, none of this came across in the episode. And all we were left with were some lizard... things crawling around in the mud. So. It was not my shining moment."
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For a more detailed breakdown of how offensive the episode is to the audience's intelligence, I suggest looking at Chuck Sonnerberg's outstanding review:

http://sfdebris.com/videos/v832.asp

There's real rage there.
 
Mama Robotnik said:
Its been stripped in the sense that it is ignored. In later episodes, dialogue is spoken that directly contradicts the events and infers they never happened (though for the life of me I can't recall the lines themselves).

Regarding the quality of the episode, here's what Brannon Braga (courtesy of Memory Alpha) thinks about it:



For a more detailed breakdown of how offensive the episode is to the audience's intelligence, I suggest looking at Chuck Sonnerberg's outstanding review:

http://sfdebris.com/videos/v832.asp

There's real rage there.
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what a sad sad man. that review was painful to listen to. the guy is not funny and his nerd rage is embarrassing. threshold is a horrible episode but this guy's constant over the top cursing and yelling didn't help get his points across. it's all rather embarrassing.
 
I loved the fact that there were no really long story arcs in the series. Mostly single episodes with funny or interesting things happening. It's also the Star Trek series with the most likeable characters next to TOS! I always felt DS9 and Voyager lacked the team factor and basically lost everything I love the others for. I don't watch Star Trek for epic diplomatic crisis stories. It's the fun that matters. TOS is still the best, though. :)
 
BorkBork said:
Then there's one where he watches himself die of radiation poisoning.

Then there's one where he finds out he's a clone and gets killed.

Then there's one where he's arrested and tried by Cardassians.

Then there's one where he has to stab a friend working for the Orion Syndicate in the back.

Then there's one where he loses his daughter for 10 years.

Then there's one where an alien kidnaps his wife and forces him to go rogue.

Then there's one where he gets his ass kicked by a deranged Garak.

I'm sure there's more.
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I'd rather think that would be "a vacation" for him.
 
O'Brien's wife Keiko, gets possessed by a Pah-wraith to unleash armageddon on the Celestial Temple, home of the Prophets.

Good episode.
 
DieNgamers said:
I loved the fact that there were no really long story arcs in the series. Mostly single episodes with funny or interesting things happening. It's also the Star Trek series with the most likeable characters next to TOS! I always felt DS9 and Voyager lacked the team factor and basically lost everything I love the others for. I don't watch Star Trek for epic diplomatic crisis stories. It's the fun that matters. TOS is still the best, though. :)
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DS9 had some strong family ties. Kira not only respected Sisko for being the Emissary but came to respect him as a man. Odo and Quark, Bashir and OBrien, Dax and Bashir, Dax and Sisko.

And, unlike TNG, we came to see how these friendships came about. TNG just said "They're friends cuz...theyre friends."
 
explodet said:
The third season finale? The awesome cliffhanger to The Best of Both Worlds.

The season season finale? A goddamn clip show.
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Not to defend clip shows, but it was basically the result of some strike going on. It was scrape that together or have nothing, so at least we didn't miss out on something better because of it.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Not to defend clip shows, but it was basically the result of some strike going on. It was scrape that together or have nothing, so at least we didn't miss out on something better because of it.
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I think they had to make one in order for it to qualify for syndication or something. But, yeah, the strike screwed shit up.
 
BorkBork said:
Then there's one where he watches himself die of radiation poisoning.

Then there's one where he finds out he's a clone and gets killed.

Then there's one where he's arrested and tried by Cardassians.

Then there's one where he has to stab a friend working for the Orion Syndicate in the back.

Then there's one where he loses his daughter for 10 years.

Then there's one where an alien kidnaps his wife and forces him to go rogue.

Then there's one where he gets his ass kicked by a deranged Garak.

I'm sure there's more.
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I forgot how bad ass O'Brien is. Even in Next Gen, he tells that story about fighting the Cardasians and how he vapourised a soldier "I don't hate you, Cardasian. I hate what I became, because of you".

Also Next gen is a lot of fun, especially once you get into the later episodes, I love Data painting and his attempts to understand humour. Also was Spot a male or a female cat? I'm pretty sure it changed depending on the episode.

But if you're nit-picking technical details on Star Trek episodes, you should probably rethink what's important to determining the level of entertainment you get from TV shows.
 
Dead Man Typing said:
Also Next gen is a lot of fun, especially once you get into the later episodes, I love Data painting and his attempts to understand humour. Also was Spot a male or a female cat? I'm pretty sure it changed depending on the episode.
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Mashup time!
 
Dead Man Typing said:
Also Next gen is a lot of fun, especially once you get into the later episodes, I love Data painting and his attempts to understand humour. Also was Spot a male or a female cat? I'm pretty sure it changed depending on the episode.
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I remember the kittens best so I will go with the female theory, even if he/she started male?
 
why do people like crusher? she's so boring and had absolutely no personality. the actress said it herself that when she was given the character, she really had nothing to work off of, and was just a pretty face.

i loved polaski way more; her challenging of data, her respect for worf, and her rivalry with picard. she was waaaay more interesting.
 
Beverly was a pretty sympathetic presence pretty much. They gave her character more in later seasons when they reved up the supposed romance that sort of happened between Crusher and Picard... which they never followed through with in the movie versions after the series finale of TNG>
 
TNG Groan time:-

"Stardate xx/xx/xx - the enterprise is on it's way to another fucking conference"

45 mins of runtime per episode - let's have A,B,C and a D plot:-

INT. ENTERPRISE. BRIDGE

A slience falls across the screen as the Borg state their demands.

THE BORG:-

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL GIVE YOURSELVES TO US OR WE WILL TRANSPORT
THOUSANDS OF NAKED, NUBILE ORION SLAVE BORG TO TAKE OVER YOUR SHIP.

Cut to:-

INT. DATA'S QUARTERS

DATA:-

SO SPOT, DOES MY TAP DANCING MAKE ME MORE HUMAN?
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
His cat magically changes sex somewhere during the show.
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Eh, if Tom Paris can become pregnant...

You know what always bugged me was the Galaxy saucer separation thing. I can think of three times after the pilot it was used: some episode where Geordi was left in command, the Borg attack, and when the ship was destroyed. Supposedly the star drive section was pretty badass without the huge saucer on top of it...so how come it was never used that way? All of the Galaxy class ships you see in DS9 have their full girth too, fighting a desperate war. Seems like a cool gimmick someone thought up when they were doing the pilot, and only really came in handy when they needed to blow up the ship without killing everyone on it.
 
Holy hell, just been watching inner space again for the first time in probably a decade and i never realised the EMH doc played the cowboy.

holy shit mind blown....

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Teh Hamburglar said:
His cat magically changes sex somewhere during the show.
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It's certainly female at some point, as there is an episode where the crew "de-evolve" called Genesis. At the beginning Data notes that Spot has gotten pregnant and later in the episode you see that Data's cat had given birth to before de-evolving.
 
Thaedolus said:
You know what always bugged me was the Galaxy saucer separation thing. I can think of three times after the pilot it was used: some episode where Geordi was left in command, the Borg attack, and when the ship was destroyed. Supposedly the star drive section was pretty badass without the huge saucer on top of it...so how come it was never used that way? All of the Galaxy class ships you see in DS9 have their full girth too, fighting a desperate war. Seems like a cool gimmick someone thought up when they were doing the pilot, and only really came in handy when they needed to blow up the ship without killing everyone on it.
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Not far off. It was intended to be used more frequently, but it just worked better to not have to do it all the time.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Saucer_separation
Saucer separation was planned as a regular feature during the early days of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Several story lines, including a B-plot for "When The Bough Breaks", were to use saucer separation. However, budget limitations at the time did not allow for extensive footage of the separated components to be shot, and it was also felt that separation slowed the progress of the story. (Star Trek Encyclopedia) Unfortunately, this meant that the Enterprise was sent into a number of dangerous situations with saucer separation never being mentioned as an option.
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Thaedolus said:
Eh, if Tom Paris can become pregnant...

You know what always bugged me was the Galaxy saucer separation thing. I can think of three times after the pilot it was used: some episode where Geordi was left in command, the Borg attack, and when the ship was destroyed. Supposedly the star drive section was pretty badass without the huge saucer on top of it...so how come it was never used that way? All of the Galaxy class ships you see in DS9 have their full girth too, fighting a desperate war. Seems like a cool gimmick someone thought up when they were doing the pilot, and only really came in handy when they needed to blow up the ship without killing everyone on it.
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It was supposed to be an active part of the show but then they realized it cost so damn much. Thats why when they did do it, they reusedfootage from the pilot
 
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