OKCupid urges users to not use Firefox

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How?

Opinions (even really stupid and bigoted ones) are very different than actions, and they are certainly not banning anyone from using firefox, they are merely suggesting people to use other browsers in protest.

Alright. Then in the interest of practicing what you preach, at account creation you ask users whether they have donated, and pop up an error that refuses to allow you to make an account if you admit to it. They don't even have to log the information, you treat it like a capcha.
 
How?

Opinions (even really stupid and bigoted ones) are very different than actions, and they are certainly not banning anyone from using firefox, they are merely suggesting people to use other browsers in protest.


donating is as much of an action as openly stating that you are against gay marriage.
 
This notion that if you change browsers because Mozilla hired a bigot, that means you must stop using javascript, stop using google, cell phones, computers, and live in the woods and or maybe die, is just such a mindblowingly idiotic stance. It's like what my 13 year old self would come up with for a Level 6 Devil's Advocate Jack Off Flourish.
 
Alright. Then in the interest of practicing what you preach, at account creation you ask users whether they have donated, and pop up an error that refuses to allow you to make an account if you admit to it. They don't even have to log the information, you treat it like a capcha.


Again, they are not banning anyone, they are not even banning the Firefox CEO from using the service.

They are making a statement.

I don't understand why it is such a terrible thing to be making a statement in favor of human rights.

donating is as much of an action as openly stating that you are against gay marriage.

You people do have some weird logic.

If you are going about semantics, well, duh they are both "actions", donating money is an entirely other level of support for a cause though.
 
This notion that if you change browsers because Mozilla hired a bigot, that means you must stop using javascript, stop using google, cell phones, computers, and live in the woods and or maybe die, is just such a mindblowingly idiotic stance. It's like what my 13 year old self would come up with for a Level 6 Devil's Advocate Jack Off Flourish.

However, it sure says something about you if you're willing to deprive yourself of hours of your own free time spent watching web pages load slower in order to deprive a company of 22 cents over firing one man...but you wouldn't do that if the 22 cents wasn't part of the equation.
 
+1000000000 for OKC!

I wonder when people are going to stop viewing homophobia as just an ''opinion'' or ''belief'' and start considering it the same as racism. Hopefully the bigot gets fired.
 
However, it sure says something about you if you're willing to deprive yourself of hours of your own free time spent watching web pages load slower in order to deprive a company of 22 cents over firing one man...but you wouldn't do that if the 22 cents wasn't part of the equation.

I was trying to figure out where you were going with this. What does it say about him?
 
However, it sure says something about you if you're willing to deprive yourself of hours of your own free time spent watching web pages load slower
Even if you choose to use Internet Explorer you will not experience a practical difference in page load times vs Firefox. Many people are willing to deprive themselves of milliseconds of their own time in order to make a statement. You, for example, are arguing on a messageboard.
 
+1000000000 for OKC!

I wonder when people are going to stop viewing homophobia as just an ''opinion'' or ''belief'' and start considering it the same as racism. Hopefully the bigot gets fired.
Would rather he didn't, Javascript/the web still needs his expertise.
 
It could be worse. People could boycott a video game, not because of unsound business practices, pricing or because the game sucks. Instead, they boycott it because the creator may present himself and his opinions in ways that may not agree with their own.
I seriously wonder how many Gaffers boycott any game by Will Wright. He donates money to conservatives.
 
However, it sure says something about you if you're willing to deprive yourself of hours of your own free time spent watching web pages load slower in order to deprive a company of 22 cents over firing one man...but you wouldn't do that if the 22 cents wasn't part of the equation.

I suppose you won't post anymore in this thread with terrible non-arguments since you're so concerned with time wasting, right?
 
You people do have some weird logic.

If you are going about semantics, well, duh they are both "actions", donating money is an entirely other level of support for a cause though.


and voting?

over 50% of the people who voted for the bill voted for it.

support comes from somewhere. the people who are more likely to vote "yes" on that kind of bill will more likely come from people who do not like gay marriage.
 
I suppose you won't post anymore in this thread with terrible non-arguments since you're so concerned with time wasting, right?

As I was saying earlier, it's not about the time or the money, it's about principles. You can't be concerned about the petty difference of a few cents or a few minutes if you're willing to stand on principles.

I mean I'm not really worried, I know that everyone generally agrees with me on this and are just arguing against it for the sake of arguing because I've been labeled "the opposition" or whatever. It's cool.
 
Damn, that's a shame to learn. The story of JavaScript and how Eich created it is pretty cool/crazy. He's clearly very intelligent, so I definitely find it confusing/disappointing.

So he's responsible for javascript on top of this?

this monster needs to be stopped
 
I find it funny that people would boycott a company because of the view of one person that works at the company.

Mozilla most likely employs hundreds of openly gay employees. You people go ape shit over one person?

same thing happen at my job. one well known person gave an opinion on something. on his on free time, DID NOT SPEAK FOR THE COMPANY people went ape shit. People are so fucking stupid I swear to god.
 
This notion that if you change browsers because Mozilla hired a bigot, that means you must stop using javascript, stop using google, cell phones, computers, and live in the woods and or maybe die, is just such a mindblowingly idiotic stance. It's like what my 13 year old self would come up with for a Level 6 Devil's Advocate Jack Off Flourish.


But the notion that you are a bad person for using Firefox or rating at Chick Fil A is also stupid.
 
To be clear, it's not quite prior opposition; I suspect a lot of this ruckus would have died down had Eich said "This is something from my past, over the last few years my opinions on this subject have evolved, blah blah blah cautionary tale about putting money towards a cause when you haven't considered the full ramification"; the failure to distance from past actions is seen as tacit continuation of it.

Umm, but that's exactly what he did. Five days ago.

He also tweeted about how his views have changed since then, but tweets being what they are, I'm having a hard time finding them.
 
I find it funny that people would boycott a company because of the view of one person that works at the company.

Mozilla most likely employes hundreds of openly gay employees. You people go ape shit over one person?

same thing happen at my job. one well known person gave an opinion on something. on his on free time, DID NOT SPEAK FOR THE COMPANY people went ape shit. People are so fucking stupid I swear to god.

part of being CEO is being the face of the company, the representative. If you don't think most CEOs are going to be judge in terms of morality as part of their job you are kidding yourself. It comes with the territory. When he donated publicly to help deny civil rights to American citizens it stopped being his private opinion.

And many of those Mozilla employees you mentioned have also asked for this guy to step down because they don't want him representing the company they work for and being their leader.
 
But the notion that you are a bad person for using Firefox or rating at Chick Fil A is also stupid.
I haven't seen a post here yet that states you're a bad person or implied it if you continue to use Firefox after knowing about the CEO.
 
part of being CEO is being the face of the company, the representative. If you don't think most CEOs are going to be judge in terms of morality as part of their job you are kidding yourself. It comes with the territory. When he donated publicly to help deny civil rights to American citizens it stopped being his private opinion.

And many of those Mozilla employees you mentioned have also asked for this guy to step down because they don't want him representing the company they work for and being their leader.
show me where Mozilla has refused to hire openly gay employees hen we can start a boycott. An opinion is just that an opinion. Is his opinion stupid? Yes, but so the fuck what, it's his.
 
show me where Mozilla has refused to hire openly gay employees hen we can start a boycott. An opinion is just that an opinion. Is his opinion stupid? Yes, but so the fuck what, it's his.

It doesn't matter. People can boycott for whatever reason they feel. They don't need to clear it with you. If people are going to stop using Firefox because they don't agree with this guy being in charge, and that starts to effect Mozilla's bottom line, then this dude's actions (actions, not just opinions) are costing his employer money which in any job is a fire-able offense.
 
part of being CEO is being the face of the company, the representative. If you don't think most CEOs are going to be judge in terms of morality as part of their job you are kidding yourself. It comes with the territory. When he donated publicly to help deny civil rights to American citizens it stopped being his private opinion.

And many of those Mozilla employees you mentioned have also asked for this guy to step down because they don't want him representing the company they work for and being their leader.

Was he CEO at the time when he made the donation? I thought he only recently became CEO. What has he done so far in his role as the face of the company that has reflected poorly on it?

If anyone has done anything to reflect poorly on Mozilla, it's whoever made him their CEO, and that's the person who should be punished.
 
Was he CEO at the time when he made the donation? I thought he only recently became CEO. What has he done so far in his role as the face of the company that has reflected poorly on it?

If anyone has done anything to reflect poorly on Mozilla, it's whoever made him their CEO, and that's the person who should be punished.

The punishment is completely up to Mozilla. Nobody here or anywhere else on the internet has the power to punish him. They have the power to voice their opinions and vote with their wallets. If that leads to a consequence than that is between him and his employer.
 
It's not just an opinion though, it's homophobia.

homophobia is an opinion. A stupid opinion but still an opinion. I its a side effect of people having the right to think what ever the fuck they want to. I would much rather have retarded homophobes and racist running around then being told what I can can't read / think / say by the government.


I haven't seen a post here yet that states you're a bad person or implied it if you continue to use Firefox after knowing about the CEO.
that's why you boycott. you are saying that if you use said product or service you are endorsingits oppression.

that's the point
 
homophobia is an opinion. A stupid opinion but still an opinion. I its a side effect of people having the right to think what ever the fuck they want to. I would much rather have retarded homophobes and racist running around then being told what I can can't read / think / say by the government.



that's why you boycott. you are saying that if you use said product or service you are endorsingits oppression.

that's the point

Hey look 11 pages in and people still not understanding what freedom of speech is.
 
Again: It goes beyond mere opinion when you gave money to efforts to deny people rights.

It's still weird to me that there's this mystical dividing line of donating money that means you no longer have a shitty opinion but that you've activated like some kind of anti-gay Transformer (Homophobes in Disguise).

Like it's ok to go around everywhere spouting hate speech and loudly letting everyone know your opinions, voting explicitly for candidates who are anti-gay, but you could be the least vocal person who is on the fringes at best and drop a dollar in a donation bucket and now you've just gone too far.

I mean donating money is actually one of the laziest things you can do. I would think you'd prefer people donate rather than some of the stuff they could be doing.

If someone is to be judged for their actions, let it be on a case by case basis. I would consider attending rallies and picketing to be worse than donating money, and even voting specifically anti-gay is just as bad. But that's my opinion.

If donating $1000 is worth ousting him, then it's not because of the fact that he donated, it's just because it's a public action that stands for his opinion and he's a visible, important figure. Either he deserves it because of his opinion or he doesn't, it's not because of the money.
 
Hey look 11 pages in and people still not understanding what freedom of speech is.

I didn't say freedom of speech you have the freedom to think what ever you want to think. Again, please point out where this person openly said hate speech towards gays and lesbians.

when did he stop gays and lesbian from working at the company?
 
that's why you boycott. you are saying that if you use said product or service you are endorsingits oppression.

that's the point
I don't believe that by me continuing to use the browser that I endorse homophobia or oppression. I like Firefox because for me, it's currently the best browser compared to the others I've used.
 
It's still weird to me that there's this mystical dividing line of donating money that means you no longer have a shitty opinion but that you've activated
Should we arrest people for, say, agreeing with the points made by terrorist organizations? Or alternately should we not arrest people for providing material support to those organizations? According to your logic, if we consider one action far more dangerous and reprehensible than the other, we're erecting a "mystical dividing line."
 
Umm, but that's exactly what he did. Five days ago.

Read what you linked me to. Read what you told me it says. The two are not the same thing.

What I said would have caused the controversy to die down: An immediate statement making it clear that his views changed over time, that he's not against SSM and regrets his financial involvement in Prop 8,

What you linked me to: A belated statement making it clear he doesn't hate gay people and will work on fostering an inclusive culture, and that Mozilla won't discriminate against LBGT workers.
 
Should we arrest people for, say, agreeing with the points made by terrorist organizations? Or alternately should we not arrest people for providing material support to those organizations? According to your logic, if we consider one action far more dangerous and reprehensible than the other, we're erecting a "mystical dividing line."

Well first, you're talking about a legal matter, and one that directly affects life and death for US troops. That's pretty different, and I'm not even talking about arrest or legal consequences, just whether or not people deserve judgement based on arbitrary lines in the sand, or if we can be mature about it and recognize that not all similar actions deserve the same criticism.

Second, that gets into the messy area of whether you've donated to an anti-gay organization by eating at Chick-Fil-A.

Let's say one person goes there because they like the food and have no idea about who the organization gives money to, another person goes there despite knowing because they don't feel that strongly about it, and another person goes there specifically to support them because they agree with their corporate policy.

If you want to judge people strictly based on where their money is going, then you have to either condemn or condone all three of them (and I'm not arguing in favor of either, just that it's one or the other). If you allow for shades of grey, you could say that person who is intentionally going there in order to give money to an anti-gay organization should be judged differently than the others, and maybe the second is less guilty but still worse than the person who doesn't know.

I think there's room for that. I think we can look at specific circumstances and say "yeah, this is worse than that," and not need a hard line.

Because like I said...a vocal, outspoken bigot, vs. someone who doesn't make their opinions known at all and drops a dollar in a bucket...
 
No I've never heard of them and since that has nothing to do with someone wanting or having the opportunity to marry I don't need to hear about them.

To break it down: Married couple means two possible incomes and tax bonuses.
Singleparent means one income and no tax bonus, even though they also take care of a child.

You're wrong because marriage is a right in the US.

Not even in USA, to be precise. Otherwise we could discuss a womans right to marry atleast two men at once, or brothers marrying each other.
 
Read what you linked me to. Read what you told me it says. The two are not the same thing.

What I said would have caused the controversy to die down: An immediate statement making it clear that his views changed over time, that he's not against SSM and regrets his financial involvement in Prop 8,

What you linked me to: A belated statement making it clear he doesn't hate gay people and will work on fostering an inclusive culture, and that Mozilla won't discriminate against LBGT workers.

Hmm, you're right.

Still, I think it should show for something that he's obviously being conciliatory here and not digging in his heels and going "those damn libs trying to slander my name! I HAVE RIGHTS"

I've read Eich's stuff for years and never had the impression he was bigoted. He's a smart person, so hopefully he does what you say soon.
 
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