Arrogant Bastard
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Just because someone self-identifies with Christianity does not mean they follow the tenants of Christ. I think there is another thread sorta of discussing this fact right now.
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Oklahoma Double Execution Botched: "We're going to close the blinds temporarily."
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Just because someone self-identifies with Christianity does not mean they follow the tenants of Christ. I think there is another thread sorta of discussing this fact right now.
Delta Assault
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...what are you talking about? If executing someone was cruel and unusual in and of itself, the death penalty wouldn't be constitutional in this country. But it obviously is.
benjipwns
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Exactly, so what's different between this and "chaos" other than the fig leaf of legality?
Bad PR. You don't want the press realizing that you're literally torturing people (possibly innocent people) to death. That's why the drug cocktail has a paralyzing agent, so no one watching the execution can tell whether or not the person being executed is suffering
Arrogant Bastard
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Joke post is joke right? Please, please, tell me you aren't serious.
"Who tha fuck is Jesus? You talkin' bout those illegals?" - Christian Conservative
NYCmetsfan
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I think its pretty straightforward. I don't know why the courts have ruled the way they have.
SenorArdilla
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Symptoms of Carbon Monoxide poisoning based on Concentration (parts per million)
Symptoms Based on Percentage of Carboxyhemoglobin (COHb) inside the Bloodstream
- 35 ppm (0.0035%) Headache and dizziness within six to eight hours of constant exposure
- 100 ppm (0.01%) Slight headache in two to three hours
- 200 ppm (0.02%) Slight headache within two to three hours; loss of judgment
- 400 ppm (0.04%) Frontal headache within one to two hours
- 800 ppm (0.08%) Dizziness, nausea, and convulsions within 45 min; insensible within 2 hours
- 1,600 ppm (0.16%) Headache, tachycardia, dizziness, and nausea within 20 min; death in less than 2 hours
- 3,200 ppm (0.32%) Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes.
- 6,400 ppm (0.64%) Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.
- 12,800 ppm (1.28%) Unconsciousness after 23 breaths. Death in less than three minutes.
Symptoms Based on Percentage of Carboxyhemoglobin (COHb) inside the Bloodstream
- 0-10 None.
- 10-20 Tension in forehead, dilation of skin vessels.
- 20-30 Headache and pulsating temples.
- 30-40 Severe headache, weariness, dizziness, weakened sight, nausea, vomiting, prostration.
- 40-50 Severe headache, plus increased breathing and pulse rates, asphyxiation and prostration.
- 50-60 Same as above, plus coma, convulsions, Cheyne-Stokes respiration.
- 60-70 Coma, convulsions, weak respiration and pulse. Death is possible.
- 70-80 Slowing and stopping of breathing, death within hours.
- 80-90 Death in less than 1 hour.
- 90-100 Death within a few minutes.
Well, then the question is "Why wait 16 minutes?"
Honestly I think most people after 30-90 seconds of convulsing would be like "Something might be wrong." who sits there for 16 minutes before they think, "Something ain't right here...."
Decapitation is also faster but I wouldn't call that humane. It's a word I would reserve for something that causes no (minimal) pain and lets them (relatively) calmly fall asleep.
They had to wait for everyone in the gallery to finish jerking off.
Or their taste for the accumulation of wealth above all else, or their emphasis on discriminating their fellow citizens, or their prevalent sexist views (well, at least there is more examples of this last one in the Bible), etc.
Ya, it puzzles the mind.
frankie_baby
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Yes they do, no one is forcing them to watch a murder they have free will if they lose their job so what at least they should have a clearer conscience, anyone that sits in that room and doesn't try smash the place up and stop it is as guilty as the sick fucked doing the injection
NYCmetsfan
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"drift away"
Delta Assault
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Yeah, okay. I thought we were actually talking about the merits of carbon monoxide as an execution tool. Didn't know it was actually gonna be an argument over capital punishment in the US.
benjipwns
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Agents of the state who have no reason to care about their victims? And are even told it's right to victimize those they do?
Eighty Deuce
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Barbaric that this happe-
http://kfor.com/2014/03/17/mother-s...ate-still-lacking-two-lethal-injection-drugs/
....nevermind. Job well done!
http://kfor.com/2014/03/17/mother-s...ate-still-lacking-two-lethal-injection-drugs/
....nevermind. Job well done!
GoldenEye 007
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Well now you're just not thinking rationally here. Pretty good idea for media to be able to document the proceeding. It is after all a legal proceeding.
So members of the press who document war are just as bad...? What.
OK, I will tell you more. If you have a government that is dedicated to executing people the least they could do, is get the job done quickly. If they don't know how the drugs will work, they should make other arrangements.
frankie_baby
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In the civilised world it's called a criminal offence
Arrogant Bastard
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I appreciate what you are trying to show here...least I think I understand what you are trying to show here.
The thing is, for the most part we all react differently, Unconsciousness after 2-3 breaths. So they skipped everything and they just went to a dream like state, how is this proven? How can this be known? One of the issues that occurred with lethal injection, was the fact that individuals started to speak up. They started to doubt whether or not all individuals simply washed away into a dream-like state of unconsciousness.
Not much, law is one of the few things that blocks the road between chaos and peace.
*Round of applause*
Vengeance =/= Justice.
Too many people are okay with blurring the lines which speaks volumes about the type of society we live in.
Peoples emotions need not be a primary factor in their ability to form decisions on important subjects.
Most of the times I feel "for" it are usually due to an emotional response to reading what somebody has done, but generally I feel that it does more harm than good.
And when I say good there really isn't much good, haha.
frankie_baby
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Nice straw man there
When are these type of "Christians" never hypocritical about anything? The GOP is a joke and Christians who support the death penalty are a joke ... I still can't believe some of the poor and underprivileged in this country continue to support a party and system that is 100% against them ... It's 2014, we have vast amounts of information and knowledge at our fingertips and yet this kind of shit just continues marching on ...
Cheesecakebobby
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Two points.
Firstly, a barbaric act is barbaric regardless of whether the victim also committed barbaric acts.
Secondly, America is a democracy. All Americans are partly responsible. If this bothers you, use your freedoms, your voice and your vote to make a change.
Firstly, a barbaric act is barbaric regardless of whether the victim also committed barbaric acts.
Secondly, America is a democracy. All Americans are partly responsible. If this bothers you, use your freedoms, your voice and your vote to make a change.
benjipwns
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It's not even a straw man. The point you're trying to make is beyond ludicrous. There is really no sane way to argue with you.
Educate yourself. This is not true.
empty vessel
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Can't argue with that.
You can omit that if you like. And the voting for that matter. But organizing and making demands is still a must, democracy or no!
GoldenEye 007
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The United States is a civilized country - even despite all the death. Criminal and state/federal mandated.
Arrogant Bastard
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I'm against capital punishment, just so you know. With that said, what I'm stating is this: It is impossible to carry out capital punishment in a way that is guaranteed to be antithesis of "cruel and unusual punishment".
1) Not a democracy
2) I must've missed the "Should executions be allowed in Tulsa Oklahoma?" vote in California.
To your second point, I did! I voted for my newly elected governor who ordered the state to suspend all executions while he is in office. Washington state FTW.
Guy LeDouche
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I don't know why they have to make it so complicated. Give them a gallon of morphine and be done with it. Sleepy time and never wake up.
That said, watch as I don't give a shit about how painful a murderer's death was.
That said, watch as I don't give a shit about how painful a murderer's death was.
Cheesecakebobby
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Erm, just because America is not a perfect utopian democracy, or just because you don't vote on every detail down to which tie Obama should put on in the morning doesn't make it not a democracy. What is it then, a theocracy? A patriarchy? Oligarchy? We vote for the men and women who have the power to change laws and enact justice. If you pretend the death penalty has nothing to do with you and it's totally out of your hands, that just means you have given up on democracy.
Isn't there a federal death penalty? Isn't that how Timothy McVeigh was executed or did that fall under Oklahoma state laws?
Not our society. Our species.
Can you be 100% sure that every person on death row is supposed to be there?
Arrogant Bastard
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Don't shit on him man. Look I'm just as cynical, but he is right. It's one of the reasons why I have lost a good number of friends over the years. The idea that we shouldn't openly discuss politics and religion causes more harm than just about everything else.
NYCmetsfan
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The notion there can be a "humane killing" not chosen by the person is absurd.
dorkimoe
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http://newsok.com/three-face-charges-in-perry-crime-spree/article/2656291
A four-time felon, Lockett, 38, was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing.
Yeah he deserved better than what he got
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