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We're not going to make it, are we?

Do you think any of the below will wipe out humans in our lifetimes


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Myopic animalistic self-interested instinct is likely to contribute. Many, many people are living extravagantly, and want more extravagance, not austerity that effects them, they don't want to moderate. Will make any excuse not to. Instinctive urges may contribute to filtering humanity, if it's not overcome by considered thought.

Why should they want to moderate? Our lifespan is miniscule and our god complex won't save us from going the way every known organism in the universe is set to go. I'm not advocating doing obviously stupid things that would harm the immediate future, just because we have nukes (literally and metaphorically) it doesn't mean we have to use them. I just don't get the pretense of wanting to control something that is so clearly beyond our control.
 

Putonahappyface

Gold Member
I'll be within the blast radius, as I'm not dying slowly of radiation poisoning etc.

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FunkMiller

Member
Pres. Obama is certainly rich, but not rich enough that he can piss away tens of millions of dollars on bad real estate deals. He's not just an American politician, he was the President of the United States who had access to all government intelligence and studies about climate change and quickly invested a sizable amount of his net worth on coastal property. If the worst case scenarios were likely, I don't think he would have done that.

I love how you cheerfully just ignore the fact it’s not at any danger from sea level rises 😂 The story went around among climate change denying media and social media, and nobody bothered to look up any actual facts.
 

Blade2.0

Member
Climate change will cause the sixth great extinction. Not everything will die. I'm sure cats and roaches will continue on after we're gone and subjugate some other more advanced species that eventually takes our place. They are the ultimate life form, after all.
 
we have space crafts that can fly there, we have computers that can navigate there... we have space crafts that can sustain human life for long durations of time.

we have all the components needed, just not anyone who is willing to give a massive budget and massive amounts of manpower towards that goal, as it will have limited potential to make any profits from such an endeavour. that's the limiting factor here... the incentive...
Bro . Cosmic Rays will kill or severely damage anyone who takes that journey. Not to mention the radiation or the damage zero gravity does to the human body.

Humans flying to mars and starting a colony in our timeline is an Elon DMT pipedream.

The best we can do is get drones, nano technology and AI do all that shit.
 

NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt

Biggest Trails Stan
dWe live in a simulation and as long as the gnostic entities beyond our comprehension deem it fit we will keep going in this cybernetic Samsara where transhumanism binds us tighter to the wheel.

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I always found the Gnostic texts interesting
 
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RoboFu

One of the green rats
Well eventually our sun will explode but before then it will start getting bigger and the few degrees difference will kill us all first . 👍
 

West Texas CEO

GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
Well eventually our sun will explode but before then it will start getting bigger and the few degrees difference will kill us all first . 👍
I think this notion has been debunked.

Boomers, please read updated textbooks before you start ranting
 

EverydayBeast

ChatGPT 0.1
Climate change is made up to promote ev cars!! My hunch is technology just got started (over 200 years ago) followed by advancements else where but yes there are always conclusions to everything.

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light2x

Member
None of the above. We aren't even close to being wiped out in the next 100 years or so.

Edit: Some interesting reading regarding climate change:


First post best post. I had much lower expectations for the average IQ of this forum.

Anyone who thinks humanity is going to be wiped out any time soon outside of an inadvertent apocalyptic event like an impact event is fooling themselves.


Humans are here to stay, whether we like it or not.
 

RickSanchez

Member
Increase in global temp does increase the amount of water the atmosphere can hold.



Water being not just drawn from the ocean makes trees and land dry out more. The severity and frequency of forest fires will continue to increase with rising global atmosphere temps.
aah, this is a better explanation than what i posted, thanks.

So yeah, basically extreme scarcity of fresh water is a real problem for the future, maybe not in our lifetimes, but very likely for our children or grandchildren.
 

Kraz

Member
aah, this is a better explanation than what i posted, thanks.

So yeah, basically extreme scarcity of fresh water is a real problem for the future, maybe not in our lifetimes, but very likely for our children or grandchildren.
One of the problems.
Extremes leaving too little and too much at the same time. Destabilizing until ..ha ha ha ha wipeout
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Mass causality wet bulb events could start happening next year in vulnerable places, even North America if power systems are poorly regulated and maintained, but those won't immediately wipe out humans everywhere.
 

Kraz

Member
Why should they want to moderate? Our lifespan is miniscule and our god complex won't save us from going the way every known organism in the universe is set to go. I'm not advocating doing obviously stupid things that would harm the immediate future, just because we have nukes (literally and metaphorically) it doesn't mean we have to use them. I just don't get the pretense of wanting to control something that is so clearly beyond our control.
Working toward survivability of biological life isn't a god complex, Mormon example upcoming. But life will survive, not human life with current attitudes.
Natural selection is the 'judgement of god', so to speak. The human model can't even keep this well moderated planet sustainable for themselves due to the need to exploit it destructively for immediate gratification of unnecessary indulgence. The behavior doesn't even qualify for the Mormon delusions about becoming godlike and managing cosmos/planets.
The universe is the only thing that exists. There is no simulation. The Earth won't be renewed for the chosen humans. There is no heaven, only matter, space, and consciousness.
 
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Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
I love how you cheerfully just ignore the fact it’s not at any danger from sea level rises 😂 The story went around among climate change denying media and social media, and nobody bothered to look up any actual facts.
I will admit I did not look up the elevation of Pres. Obama's property. I will concede that point. However - huge investments in hyper-exclusive coastal enclaves still don't make sense if catastrophic climate change is imminent. Even with elevation.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
I will admit I did not look up the elevation of Pres. Obama's property. I will concede that point. However - huge investments in hyper-exclusive coastal enclaves still don't make sense if catastrophic climate change is imminent. Even with elevation.
It’s not imminent, tbh. There’s a concerted effort to say that it is because humans aren’t typically going to care about dangers 100 years away, and by the time it’s obvious to the general public the damage may be irreversible and catastrophic.
 

efyu_lemonardo

May I have a cookie?
Just what i've read around the internet. here's an example search result: https://www.bing.com/search?q=are+earth's+fresh+water+sources+depleting+?&form=ANNH01&refig=fbb6dec891834355a7e8d7b5d5cdcea3&pc=U531

I did say it was an extreme possibility, but it is conceivable. here's why (and if my science here is wrong, feel free to correct me):

The water cycle on the planet runs as follows: Sea water evaporates into clouds. Clouds go over land and drop rain or snow. Rain or snow turn into glaciers and rivers, which supply fresh water. Used water runs back into the sea. Now, because of rising atmospheric temperatures, more sea water evaporates, but less of it precipitates into snow and rain. Which means we are still losing the same amount of water to the seas but getting less of it back to replenish our glaciers, rivers and lakes. Overall, this results in a gradual but real decline in fresh water reserves. To some extent this has been documented by the rise in sea levels, depleting glaciers and shrinking polar ice caps.
Not sure I understand the bolded. You're saying there is more water evaporating into the atmosphere but less of it is precipitating back into drinkable sources?

So there should be a measurable increase in global cloud cover and/or an increase in precipitation only above oceans and seas, thus mixing the drinkable water back with saltwater.
Am I understanding correctly?

Edit: okay, NASA's explanation is clearer to me:
While total annual rain and snowfall levels may not change dramatically, long periods between intense precipitation events allow the soil to dry and become more compact. That decreases the amount of water the ground can absorb when it does rain.

“The problem when you have extreme precipitation,” Bosilovich said, “is the water ends up running off,” instead of soaking in and replenishing groundwater stores.
So, yes, there is a problem because we are not able to store enough of the rainwater we get, due to more extream - and more widely separated - precipitation events. The same amount of rain, distributed differently, would be enough for us. But currently when it rains, most of that rain quickly flows back to the oceans instead of being absorbed into aquifers.
Fun times ahead.
 
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Blade2.0

Member
First post best post. I had much lower expectations for the average IQ of this forum.

Anyone who thinks humanity is going to be wiped out any time soon outside of an inadvertent apocalyptic event like an impact event is fooling themselves.


Humans are here to stay, whether we like it or not.
This is a fallacy. Just because something hasn't occurred doesn't mean it won't. Extinction has happened to many species, and just because ours has proliferated to such a high degree doesn't mean we can't go extinct.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
First post best post. I had much lower expectations for the average IQ of this forum.

Anyone who thinks humanity is going to be wiped out any time soon outside of an inadvertent apocalyptic event like an impact event is fooling themselves.


Humans are here to stay, whether we like it or not.

I might be misinterpreting your post, but you believe outside a natural event, it's not possible for humanity to wiped out any time soon. Your evidence for this is a Wikipedia article. An article that where 95% of the list are biblical or vauge, unscientific guesswork.

Would you not agree that nuclear weapons or the singularity for example pose a threat to humanity? Their risk might be very low, but a risk nonetheless.
 

light2x

Member
And the dinosaurs could never have gone extinct either.
Since we're comparing ourselves to dinosaurs, let's also bring up the fact that they existed for a 165 million years, we haven't been here for a fraction of that time. If you want me to believe we're the brink of extinction you'll need to provide better evidence than simply fear mongering about the next inevitable technological evolution or another looming war, global or otherwise. We've been waging wars since the dawn of civilization and possibly even before that.

What currently suggests we are even remotely close to being extinct outside of people simply being too depressed or emotional about the current state of our world? Which in reality is way better than it's been at any point in history.
 
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Blade2.0

Member
Since we're comparing ourselves to dinosaurs, let's also bring up the fact that they existed for a 165 million years, we haven't been here for a fraction of that time. If you want me to believe we're the brink of extinction you'll need to provide better evidence than simply fear mongering about the next inevitable technological evolution or another looming war, global or otherwise. We've been waging wars since the dawn of civilization and possibly even before that.

What currently suggests we are even remotely close to being extinct outside of people simply being too depressed or emotional about the current state of our world? Which in reality is way better than it's been at any point in history.
they weren't actively looking for their own demise, either. We have a bad habit of looking for and causing trouble. And also not believing the consequences can happen to us.
 

light2x

Member
they weren't actively looking for their own demise, either. We have a bad habit of looking for and causing trouble. And also not believing the consequences can happen to us.
Since I didn't get my answer, I'll repeat my question again: What currently suggests we are even remotely close to being extinct?
 

FunkMiller

Member
Since I didn't get my answer, I'll repeat my question again: What currently suggests we are even remotely close to being extinct?

If you mean in our lifetimes... zero. Absolutely no chance, barring nuclear armageddon, an asteroid strike, or another catastrophe born from the stars.

But there's a lot a room between 'okay' and 'extinct'. I'd rather we stayed closer to okay, personally. That means tackling some very real and credible threats to our current comfortable way of life.
 

efyu_lemonardo

May I have a cookie?
But there's a lot a room between 'okay' and 'extinct'.
This should be the actual focus of discussions of this sort.
Just because things could get really bad, doesn't mean it's the end.

But most people have almost no idea what really bad actually means. It means a world possibly unlike anything we've become accustomed to in modern times. We take abundant food and water for granted. We take near-free electric power and heating for granted. We take basic health services for granted and we take civil order and free markets for granted.

Some or even all of these things could potentially go away in our lifetime unless we prepare better for environmental changes that are coming

Talk to people who have lived through communism and other forms of oppression and scarcity. Their experience could be valuable.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Bar a Dino wiping size Asteroid, we ain't going nowhere, the planets too big and humans are too numerous and even if the Asteroid that wiped out the Dino's did hit us humanity would still survive albeit in smaller underground settlements, we're a resourceful bunch o cunts and as movies have taught me, it'll be the yanks will take the brunt of the Asteroid/Super Volcano/Kaiju/Alien Invasion, the rest of us will just have to get on with it
 
So, uh, is anyone else concerned about the escalation happening in Russia/Ukraine?

Biden authorizes use of US missile system in Ukraine. Ukraine (for the first time) fires US-supplied longer-range missiles at a target inside Russian territory.

Then this happened (I could do without the WW3 is here comment, but this is still concerning):

 

Polygonal_Sprite

Gold Member
Maybe I’m wrong but doesn’t the term “The Singularity“ mean that much like a black hole we simply don’t know what will happen at a certain point ? It’s not about AI reaching a specific stage of advancement.

Saying that outside of Nuclear War then AI.
 
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Kraz

Member
This year's weak or missing La Nina may indicate an accelerated timeline for climate change.


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As 2023 came to a close, scientists had hoped that a stretch of record heat that emerged across the planet might finally begin to subside this year. It seemed likely that temporary conditions, including an El Niño climate pattern that has always been known to boost average global temperatures, would give way to let Earth cool down.
That didn’t happen.
...

that’s because El Niño is quickly replaced with La Niña. Under this pattern, the same strip of Pacific waters become colder than normal, creating a larger cooling effect on the planet. But La Niña hasn’t materialized as scientists predicted it would, either.
...

The year 2023 is the current warmest year on record at 1.48 degrees Celsius above the preindustrial average. However, 2024 is expected to be at least 1.55 degrees, breaking the record set the year before. Last year’s record was further above the expected track of global warming than scientists had ever seen, by a margin of more than three tenths of a degree. This year, that margin is expected to be even larger.
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Compared to past years when El Niño has faded, the current conditions are unlike any seen before.
A look at sea surface temperatures following three major El Niño years — 2024, 1998 and 1983 — reveal that a La Niña-like pattern was evident in all three years, with a patch of cooler than average conditions emerging in the equatorial Pacific Ocean.

But in 2024, the patch was narrow, unimpressive and dwarfed by warmer than average seas that cover most of the planet, including parts of every ocean basin.

Known as marine heat waves, these expansive blobs of unusual oceanic heat are typically defined as seas being much warmer than average, in the highest 10 percent of historical observations, across a wide area for a prolonged period. Strong to severe marine heat waves are occurring in the Atlantic, much of the Pacific, the western and eastern Indian Ocean, and in the Mediterranean Sea.
In October, ocean temperatures at that high threshold covered more than a third of the planet. On the other end, less than 1 percent of the planet had ocean temperatures in the lowest 10 percent of historical values.
Warm and cold ocean temperature extremes should more closely offset each other. But what’s happening is a clear demonstration that oceans, where heat accumulates fastest, are absorbing most of Earth’s energy imbalance. Warm extremes are greatly exceeding cold ones.
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“Is this just a blip, or is this actually an acceleration of the warming?” Gettelman said. “That’s the thing everyone is trying to understand right now.”

How big these changes are partly depends on how much warming occurs in the year ahead. But that is unclear because the cooling that usually follows El Niño still hasn’t arrived.
It’s possible that normal planetary variations are playing a bigger role than scientists expect and that temperatures could soon begin to drop, said Hausfather, who also works for the payments company Stripe.
Even without the cooling influence of a La Niña, a stretch under neutral conditions, with neither a La Niña nor an El Niño, should mean some decline in global average temperatures, he said.
At the same time, if this year’s unusual planetary warmth doesn’t slow down into 2025, there would be nothing to prevent the next El Niño from sending global temperatures soaring — the starting point for the next El Niño would be that much higher. Whether that happens later in 2025 remains to be seen.
But the lack of clarity isn’t a promising sign when some of the most plausible explanations allow for the most extreme global warming scenarios, Hausfather said.
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ÆMNE22A!C

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
Transhumanisme perhaps for certain individuals perhaps in "our lifetime" They're certainly trying their hardest for decades to plant seeds to manifest some shift/reset in the not so near future, no denying that ofc. Poll's options ar more or less a pre medicated continuouim rather than a end game imho.
 

V1LÆM

Gold Member
Transhumanisme perhaps for certain individuals perhaps in "our lifetime" They're certainly trying their hardest for decades to plant seeds to manifest some shift/reset in the not so near future, no denying that ofc. Poll's options ar more or less a pre medicated continuouim rather than a end game imho.
definitely seems a lot closer. been thinking about it quite a bit with AI exploding the last few years. lots of us use AI now. it's a useful tool but it's making us think less. as it improves we will rely on it even more and i can imagine us using it to enhance our brain. at first it'll be on device like our smartphones and everything else but eventually we'll be able to get implants/cybernetics that could attach directly to our brain. i think it's totally possible in the next 20-40 years.

there will be people who can afford to have implants and just like how many are addicted to social media they could overdo it and become disassociated. in the cyberpunk universe (the game) it's called cyberpsychosis. and of course there are borgs who are physically more machine than human.
 

ÆMNE22A!C

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
definitely seems a lot closer. been thinking about it quite a bit with AI exploding the last few years. lots of us use AI now. it's a useful tool but it's making us think less. as it improves we will rely on it even more and i can imagine us using it to enhance our brain. at first it'll be on device like our smartphones and everything else but eventually we'll be able to get implants/cybernetics that could attach directly to our brain. i think it's totally possible in the next 20-40 years.

there will be people who can afford to have implants and just like how many are addicted to social media they could overdo it and become disassociated. in the cyberpunk universe (the game) it's called cyberpsychosis. and of course there are borgs who are physically more machine than human.



Despite its professed strong attachment to the values of liberalism and forward-thinking, some critics argue transhumanism is a dangerous resurgence of many discriminatory attitudes and elitist ideals of the discredited eugenics movements of the past

A common feature of transhumanism and philosophical posthumanism is the future vision of a new intelligent species, into which humanity will evolve and which eventually will supplement or supersede it. Transhumanism stresses the evolutionary perspective, including sometimes the creation of a highly intelligent animal species by way of cognitive enhancement (i.e. biological uplift),[7] but clings to a "posthuman future" as the final goal of participant evolution.[69][70]

Nevertheless, the idea of creating intelligent artificial beings (proposed, for example, by roboticist Hans Moravec) has influenced transhumanism.[38] Moravec's ideas and transhumanism have also been characterised as a "complacent" or "apocalyptic" variant of posthumanism and contrasted with "cultural posthumanism" in humanities and the arts.[71] While such a "cultural posthumanism" would offer resources for rethinking the relationships between humans and increasingly sophisticated machines, transhumanism and similar posthumanisms are, in this view, not abandoning obsolete concepts of the "autonomous liberal subject", but are expanding its "prerogatives" into the realm of the posthuman.[72] Transhumanist self-characterisations as a continuation of humanism and Enlightenment thinking correspond with this view.

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V1LÆM

Gold Member
Despite its professed strong attachment to the values of liberalism and forward-thinking, some critics argue transhumanism is a dangerous resurgence of many discriminatory attitudes and elitist ideals of the discredited eugenics movements of the past

A common feature of transhumanism and philosophical posthumanism is the future vision of a new intelligent species, into which humanity will evolve and which eventually will supplement or supersede it. Transhumanism stresses the evolutionary perspective, including sometimes the creation of a highly intelligent animal species by way of cognitive enhancement (i.e. biological uplift),[7] but clings to a "posthuman future" as the final goal of participant evolution.[69][70]

Nevertheless, the idea of creating intelligent artificial beings (proposed, for example, by roboticist Hans Moravec) has influenced transhumanism.[38] Moravec's ideas and transhumanism have also been characterised as a "complacent" or "apocalyptic" variant of posthumanism and contrasted with "cultural posthumanism" in humanities and the arts.[71] While such a "cultural posthumanism" would offer resources for rethinking the relationships between humans and increasingly sophisticated machines, transhumanism and similar posthumanisms are, in this view, not abandoning obsolete concepts of the "autonomous liberal subject", but are expanding its "prerogatives" into the realm of the posthuman.[72] Transhumanist self-characterisations as a continuation of humanism and Enlightenment thinking correspond with this view.

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that's too many fancy words for me. i'll try understand it lol

all i got was that it could be like a WW2 thing.... where transhumans (arian) are seen as superior and that 100% bio humans (jews) are inferior and shouldn't exist.

yeah that's bad.
 
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ÆMNE22A!C

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
that's too many fancy words for me. i'll try understand it lol

It's pulled from wiki so you know it's non biased in it's framing and tone lol. Then again they're (WEF) are  very forthcoming and open regarding their plans. Neurolink is already a thing (hence it's on topic; " in our lifespan) which as a concept could easily be extrapolated in regards to transhumanism ie transferring consciousness into another vessel (perhaps already computerized) as to gain immortal life. Skipping the reincarnation/karma loop and ... Oh well
 
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