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Anyone have any experience buying a TV from amazon? I'm thinking of picking up an A95K but I'm worried about shipping and the extended warranty service they offer. I bought a TV from them back in 2008 and that went well, but that was a long time ago.
I bought my C1 from Amazon. No issues at all and LG provide you with a warranty if its bought brand new anyway that you have to register.

Rivdoric Rivdoric After a few days tinkering going between GO and FMM, I've found a solution to get the best of both worlds. GO disables LG's Colour boost function, which is why FMM appears richer in colour, however, If using HDR in Game Optimizer you can achieve virtually the same effect by setting the Expression Enhacer to "Brightness".

So best of both worlds, lowest input lag plus "boosted" accurate colours. SDR is a bit tricker, to match the same brightness output as FMM you'll need to force peak brightness to high via colour control on GO mode, whether or not you think this is worth doing for the extra nits at the expense of degraded colour accuracy is up to you.

Overall very happy with the C4 now, by far the best monitor/TV purchase I've made thus far.
 
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Fully disagree. "The best that money can buy" means being smart, not overspending, calculating the pros and the cons and so on. You need to think
Sorry to insist but it really doesn't.

"The best value", "the best for my needs" etc. are not the same as "the best money can buy", that means "the best quality at any price", it literally says with more money you cannot find better.

I'm glad you enjoy your very good TV.
 
Sorry to insist but it really doesn't.

"The best value", "the best for my needs" etc. are not the same as "the best money can buy", that means "the best quality at any price", it literally says with more money you cannot find better.

I'm glad you enjoy your very good TV.

No need to apologize at all, and thanks for being so nice, is my opinion, as you have yours, and so does everyone im just super happy with mine so i want to recommend it, but to each their own :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:
 
The old Sony A95L (55 & 65 inch) is on sale today in case anyone is interested. $1600 for 55" and $2000 for 65". It's no longer top dog but is not that far off either.
 
Do not let people talk you into the C1. The S90c is in that same price bracket and a much superior panel. The S90c is a QD-oled with really bright settings. The c1 is mostly going to be for low lit rooms.

Also the C1 lacks true HDR. It's only around 800 nits while the S90c starts at 1,000 nits, many like myself S90c panels are much brighter than the reported 1,000 nits.

Plus the Samsung S90c has a nice built in game bar and game mode function.
 
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Do not let people talk you into the C1. The S90c is in that same price bracket and a much superior panel. The S90c is a QD-oled with really bright settings. The c1 is mostly going to be for low lit rooms.

Also the C1 lacks true HDR. It's only around 800 nits while the S90c starts at 1,000 nits, many like myself S90c panels are much brighter than the reported 1,000 nits.

Plus the Samsung S90c has a nice built in game bar and game mode function.
For all the shit talking I do on Samsung, I love my S90C. It's on older firmware so it's still amazing. In most OLED circles it's considered a legendary TV already. None of the newer S90D/F has come close to how good the S90C is. It's still the best TV I've ever had minus Tizen. I still miss WebOS from my LG C1.

But my experience is limited to gaming only as I don't use my S90C for anything else.
 
For all the shit talking I do on Samsung, I love my S90C. It's on older firmware so it's still amazing. In most OLED circles it's considered a legendary TV already. None of the newer S90D/F has come close to how good the S90C is. It's still the best TV I've ever had minus Tizen. I still miss WebOS from my LG C1.

But my experience is limited to gaming only as I don't use my S90C for anything else.
It is my everyday TV. My pc is hooked to this TV and another monitor. Playing my PC on this TV is such a delight. Awesome experience.

I have the Costco version of this TV that includes a much superior sound system than stock. My TV sound is better than my Yamaha 3D soundbar.
 
I have the S90D (which I think was last year's model) and it is a phenomenal TV. I have my PC and consoles hooked up to it and the panel is sensational.
 
I'm very happy to hear that, because I'm balancing between G4 and G5 and don't know which one to choose.
Hey Nankatsu.
Not sure if you've already made your OLED choice yet, but I just saw a RTINGS video stating that, "the G5's launch day HDR10 contouring issue was completely fixed in Game Optimizer mode recently. So there's no need to flip the TV to it's Filmmaker mode anymore." I had a feeling that this had to be the case, because I honestly couldn't see any issues. And as I said before, after testing it myself, "The HDR10 gradient issue remains only in the TV's 'vivid' and 'standard' picture modes."

 
LG G5 still has near-black issues which G4 didn't have and G5 in Dolby Vision also doesn't have so in theory they should be 100% fixable. This is on newest engineering firmware:

Lowest steps above black in HDR10 are lifted but kind of compressed resulting in crushing details into dark grey pulp.

Sadly rtings almost always glosses over things like these. They also never mention subpar near-black gradation on LGs compared to other brands (Samsung, Panasonic, Sony), their gradation test focuses on entire range instead which almost never shows major issues (except for budget sets).
 
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Hey Nankatsu.
Not sure if you've already made your OLED choice yet, but I just saw a RTINGS video stating that, "the G5's launch day HDR10 contouring issue was completely fixed in Game Optimizer mode recently. So there's no need to flip the TV to it's Filmmaker mode anymore." I had a feeling that this had to be the case, because I honestly couldn't see any issues. And as I said before, after testing it myself, "The HDR10 gradient issue remains only in the TV's 'vivid' and 'standard' picture modes."



What about C5?
 
Hey Nankatsu.
Not sure if you've already made your OLED choice yet, but I just saw a RTINGS video stating that, "the G5's launch day HDR10 contouring issue was completely fixed in Game Optimizer mode recently. So there's no need to flip the TV to it's Filmmaker mode anymore." I had a feeling that this had to be the case, because I honestly couldn't see any issues. And as I said before, after testing it myself, "The HDR10 gradient issue remains only in the TV's 'vivid' and 'standard' picture modes."


Great news.
That's why I'll be ordering one on Friday 28th November :)
 
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Sony won, LG was the worst one in terms of near-black handling, low luminance colors accuracy and native gradation. LG G5 even lost to Samsung in bright room category.

 
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Only two to consider IMHO the Sony or what I got LG G5 OLED. Especially if you dabble in cloud gaming the LG is the clear choice.

I did a bunch or research and decided the LG was the best in terms of support, updates, and gaming
 
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As an S95d and s89c owner gaming on a qdoled is a much better experience than when I had an LG G2 maybe the G4 and G5 would be a better comp but not the C series. Honestly it really depends on what tv people are coming from if you had an lcd/led tv then the C series would be a huge upgrade.
 
Very interesting.
The Sony is out as there is no 77", Samsung is out as no Dolby Vision, Panasonic out as too expensive and they're pulling out of Europe AFAIK.
Does make me wonder if I should just get a 77G4 instead of a 77G5 though.
 
Sounds as if the LG dude made an arse of the setup switching noise reduction on. Ooops.

LG WOLEDs use much heavier dithering near-black compared to QD-OLED which makes dark scenes more noisy and it's even more noticeable on newest Tandem OLEDs (G5, Z95B) than on last year G4. Maybe they thought G5 is going to have a little better chances agains QD-OLEDs in dark scenes with it on.
 
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LG WOLEDs use much heavier dithering near-black compared to QD-OLED which makes dark scenes more noisy and it's even more noticeable on newest Tandem OLEDs (G5, Z95B) than on last year G4. Maybe they thought G5 is going to have a little better chances agains QD-OLEDs in dark scenes with it on.
With this situation and the possibility of there being a more "perfect" TV in a couple of years, I wonder if I should save the cash, get the G4 and keep it for 2-3 years rather than 7?
 
With this situation and the possibility of there being a more "perfect" TV in a couple of years, I wonder if I should save the cash, get the G4 and keep it for 2-3 years rather than 7?

Hard to answer, highly depends on your use case, watching environment and preferences. Personally I would most likely choose G4 over G5 as I watch/play in dark and use most accurate picture settings possible and don't care about brightness. If you use your TV in a bright room, like colors pop and brightness etc. you will most likely prefer G5 over G4 and won't care that much about near-black performance (which BTW isn't bad according to most owners, it looks completely fine in most scenes).
Another important thing for me is uniformity and I heard people had better luck getting clean LG G5 while the older G4 had more reported issues with noticeable tinting and vertical banding. But this could change in upcoming months when LG ramps up Tandem OLED production. And again, if you don't watch/play in dark you will most likely not notice vertical banding much.

Perfect TV won't exist, there are always some pros and cons.
 
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Hard to answer, highly depends on your use case, watching environment and preferences. Personally I would most likely choose G4 over G5 as I watch/play in dark and use most accurate picture settings possible and don't care about brightness. If you use your TV in a bright room, like colors pop and brightness etc. you will most likely prefer G5 over G4 and won't care that much about near-black performance (which BTW isn't bad according to most owners, it looks completely fine in most scenes).
Another important thing for me is uniformity and I heard people had better luck getting clean LG G5 while the older G4 had more reported issues with noticeable tinting and vertical banding. But this could change in upcoming months when LG ramps up Tandem OLED production. And again, if you don't watch/play in dark you will most likely not notice vertical banding much.

Perfect TV won't exist, there are always some pros and cons.
We tend to put the blinds down when watching my 65C8 so sure G4 brightness will be fine, the banding risk isn't appealing though.
Yeah, that's why I put perfect in inverted commas.
There could/should be a QD-OLED TV with great processing, 4 full HDMI inputs etc. in a few years though.
 
Should I buy a S90D or wait a bit GAF? I'm a noob when it comes to understanding OLED quality.

all this talk about QLED / WOLED panel lottery in the UK / Eu is confusing the shit out of me
 
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This the general TV thread?

So I was watching some stuff on streaming apps last weekend and now Monster on Netflix, not the anime but The Ed Gein Story one.

I noticed a weird blurring effect thingy when people moved their heads and stuff. This was on Dolby Vision content, it was during Prime's Heads of State and now Monster. Decided to check if any motion flow type of shit was enabled and sure enough Cinemotion was set to high on Dolby Vision Bright on the Sony A95K.

Why is this on by default? Surprisingly on Reddit I saw people saying you should leave this on.

The weird effect is gone as soon as I turned that off. Also noticed that when I enable Netflix Calibrated mode Cinemotion is on as well.

Recommended or not at all in your opinion?
 
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Bought myself LG G5. If S95F has glossy coating i would go for it but matte coating just sucks. Saw it in person and it was glaring where every other had in bright room really black blacks Samy s95f was just washed out LCD look. IDK what they were thinking.

Hope all G5 issues are smoothed out. My C1 was near perfect with no issues, there was very slight gray uniformity issues but aside from that nothing.

Sony won, LG was the worst one in terms of near-black handling, low luminance colors accuracy and native gradation. LG G5 even lost to Samsung in bright room category.



Those guys review stuff in filmmaker mode (which limits ALOT maxing peak brightness) and mostly focus on movies and tv stuff like cable tv. As much as I want to take those test seriously they can't replace prober game with literally native colors, proper HDR not sudo HDR and so on.

Movies and TV shows these days are unwatchable shitshows so it's not like gamers should care about movies and tv shows since games are just better.
 
Got an LG CX 65" since like 4 years ago and it's been amazing.
Got my 77" GX around 6 years ago. Never been hallowed all around. Best picture quality you can possibly get, for gaming, HDMI 2.1 ports for 120hz (120 fps), hdr 10 and with hdmi 2.1 and higher frames it's the best experience you can have gaming. Zero input lag.
 
Bought myself LG G5. If S95F has glossy coating i would go for it but matte coating just sucks. Saw it in person and it was glaring where every other had in bright room really black blacks Samy s95f was just washed out LCD look. IDK what they were thinking.

Hope all G5 issues are smoothed out. My C1 was near perfect with no issues, there was very slight gray uniformity issues but aside from that nothing.



Those guys review stuff in filmmaker mode (which limits ALOT maxing peak brightness) and mostly focus on movies and tv stuff like cable tv. As much as I want to take those test seriously they can't replace prober game with literally native colors, proper HDR not sudo HDR and so on.

Movies and TV shows these days are unwatchable shitshows so it's not like gamers should care about movies and tv shows since games are just better.
Do you wall mount your G5 or did you buy a stand for it?
 
Do you wall mount your G5 or did you buy a stand for it?

Bought stand for it. Though i made mistake. I bought stand for up to 65inch tv thinking it will be more stable and it is. But i Didn't think about clearance between stand and TV and now i have shitty looking monitor TV lol. I ordered another stand this time for 55 inch tv with almost no clearance from the stand which should look flush with tv furniture like my old C1 which i loved. O i hope so because on pictures it looks correctly but idk how it will be irl.
 

As for my LG G5 55' TV review.
First of all I was coming from LG C1 48 which i bought like 3-4 years ago:
- I was expecting bigger jump brightness wise. It is definitely brighter just not what I imagined it to be. I thought it would sear my eyes but it is hardly so bright that i need to squint or something. I think nits and our eyes follow logarithmic law where 2000 nits isn't twice brighter than 1000nits to our eyes or something. I think we are hitting the limit of our eyes where it just accommodates to handle bright stuff. Don't even consider switching on HGIG because it cuts in half brightness and shit isn't used by almost any game aside from 1-2.
- That being said, the biggest change is in living room conditions with light in room. You can definitely feel the difference there. So if you game in living room rather like me in "gaming room" which is dark then this is definitely must have.
- I think a lot of not bright enough issues are caused actually by games poor HDR implementations. Meaning that they are calibrated to maybe 1000nits brightness. For example Diablo 2 Resurrected brightness scale only goes to 2k nits, while some other game it goes to 1000nits. Some don't even have nits settings.
- By far the best difference was with Cyberpunk 2077. It was already glorious HDR game even with default non modded settings but with G5 HDR just pops the fuck out in your eyes. That's where i felt the most difference in display from my C1. I think that this TV actually exceeds most of games capabilities to deliver HDR as those games never imagined such bright tvs. So modding is needed to improve HDR in them.

- Color wise it is definitely improvement over C1, and imo biggest improvement. C1 had tendency to shift toward more desaturated colors if you hit those 400-500nits on 20-40% window while G5 colors stay saturated up to the limit of nits so you had to lower max brightness for it not to shift. Some of the scenes in Cyberpunk2077 like the red corridor when you rescue Evelyn just bathe room is this amazing shade of red... Neon lights pop in those intense colors etc.

- 165hz vs 120hz. Another thing i looked forward to was jump to higher Hz. Much like with me changing from 60 to 120hz i didn't feel much of it until few months later i started to play my friends console to discover i actually feel now how 60hz is sluggish right now I too can't feel 165hz at all. I guess it will take time to get used to it. It is not huge jump either way and finally it gave my 5090 some stretching at 4k as most of the time i played locked 120.

- Movies, barely any difference. Most of movies are mastered up to 1000nits so G5 mostly matters on bright scenes to sustain peak brightness muuuuch better than C1 but that's pretty much all there was to it. Movies and TV shows in general from my experience are just in shitty place where they have some shitty ideas about "filmaker vision" and don't allow for much "pop", i changed to dynamic tonemapping and it improves stuff but it can't really do that much if source material tries to limit nits in HDR.

- Filmmaker mode on my C1 was more or less logical as C1 max brightness was more or less similar to filmmaker mode brightness. On G5 fimmaker mode is ridiculous. Pretty much cuts in half brightness back to C1 level. IT is not the issue with TV but with "vision" of people who make movies and tv shows. They always lived in alternate reality where they always lusted for better cameras, better computers and cgi but somehow managed to produce backward caste of idiots at the end where they artificially limit quality or introduce shitty colorist "vision" to their movies. Obviously not even talking about 24fps ancient tech that was just economical choice at start and now it is still used because "movie magic". Same movie magic that doesn't work anymore on proper screens because our screens are too sharp and too fast without smearing that produce jitter and shit is unwatchable.

- No Black Frame Insertion in game mode. I think LG G5 would be perfect for it. BFI cuts brightness in half due to how it works but G5 has plenty of power to push it bright even with BFI. Missed opportunity.

- Didn't test live tv, apps or other smartshittv features as i am not interested in them, didn't even connect this tv to internet.

- Didn't see any issues with banding in HDR. I think they fixed it like a month ago. Though I think there is some weird color pulsing or shimmer though i haven't tested it properly So far i noticed it only in Cyberpunk2077 which could be just how game rendering works. That being said effect was hard to notice in the first place and without looking for it, i wouldn't find it. I was trying to look for color banding to see if it was fixed on my firmware.

- LG webos is fucking disaster. 5 new generations from my C1 and it is still sluggish piece of crap that needs sometimes 10 seconds to load menu piece. You would think that on top end tv they would fix it but nooo, still the same crappy sluggish ui. Feels like using Windows 11 on HardDiskDrive lol.

- For some stupid reason they moved energy saving settings to general which can't be accessed quickly. Instead they moved OLED brightness to quick settings. I liked switching my C1 to auto to save my eyes from tiring during long working sessions. G5's brigness in theory is the same thing but much more annoying. And G5 auto is just way to bright for my liking during the night.

- I had some sporadic split second switching off/on HDR in windows 11 out of nowhere. IDK what is the cause but i didn't have it on C1, i think it is a bug. So far it happened like 3-4 times over course of 2 days. Probably some firmware bug with standbymode or something.

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Overall for gaming:
I think G5 is great upgrade over C1, Just don't expect blazing sun like some reviews are trying to describe it as. I think this TV hardware is just much more capable than content allows for and you need to tinker with mods to fix HDR in games to take full advantage of it. The color especially is huge upgrade but again, to see it you need proper content like Cyberpunk2077, Stuff like KingdomCome doesn't have bright colors due to natural palette used which limits "pop".

Overall for tvshows/movies:
Unless you need to fix living room daylight killing your OLED brightness pop i wouldn't reccomend switching from your older oled. Content just isn't there to take advantage of it.

Now for $$$. I am rather wealthy now so it wasn't big purchase for me. If I was short on budget i would avoid buying it and maybe wait 2-3 more generations. I think proper switch from C1 would happen with something that goes to 1000nits 100% field and maybe 4k peak nits. That should properly sear eyes.
 
A week later with LG G5 i decided to take it back to seller.
It got blue pixel stuck in lower left portion of screen so i had prospect before me of guarantee replacement and had to go back to my C1 and after spending a day with C1 back i just decided it was not worth the hassle to keep it it for several reasons:

1. Yes TV is much brighter than my C1 with slightly better colors. But after a week i frankly don't see much difference. It's not like i was using it non stop at 100% brightness even at night. If you are playing in bright room or want dual use as your gaming tv in the night and your living room tv in the day then g5 trumps completely C1. But for gaming in dark room like mine ? There isn't much difference unless you are willing to play on too bright screen and tire your eyes.

2. Color itself, yes it is better than C1 but not that much better. IT can drive those colors much brighter for sure before it starts to desaturate on top end but alas colors are more or less similar. I run side by side demos etc and after some calibration they were very similar with a win to G5.

3. Issues:
- VRR flicker on dark gray is still present nearly 5 years later. I still don't understand how that is not fixed yet in modern tvs. I didn't buy G5 top of the line to experience same thing i had on C1. I've read about it now and seems like all oleds still have this issue. This flicker is mostly visible in very low light scenes in games and causes gamma to shift for whole screen up and down fast.
- What I didn't experience on C1 that now experience on G5 is this same VRR flicker now in normal mode. Idk if this is VRR related but best i can see it playing stardew valley where colors just shift randomly slightly. Like yellow sand gets dimmer for split second and then brighter. It is definitely not dynamic hdr tonemapping but switching off hdr in windows "fixes" it, It mostly occurs in panning when you move your character, like there is some processing that causes it to think about picture and decide for second or two to change settings and then back.
- Gray shimmer. When you watch something like youtube and you see guy in dark gray shirt you can clearly see whole thing just shimmers and crawls. It's not super noticeable but you can't unsee it after a while especially with how close i sit to the screen.
- LG ui is just fucking atrocious pos. It takes multiple seconds to open up sub menus just to display slider to brighten up or lower brightness of your screen.

Looking at cost to upgrade it is just not worth it imo. If you move from SDR LCD screen then sure it makes sense. But moving from C1 it doesn't offer enough substantial improvement to shell out so much money. Imo we need 2-3 more years of improvement.

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When i was returning it just by chance i saw TCL C8K 75 standing near clerk desk and I thought that was oled. Then i noticed it is not oled but miniled. I started to check it out and it is insane stuff. I loaded typical OLED demos and I couldn't see any blooming at all. Then i toyed with remote and content (it was playing yt) and i was blown away by it. That's how I expected upgrade over my C1 to look like, It goes to like 4,5k nits, nearly double color volume (alas less color accuracy) than g5. Thing is wiiiiild.

I would get S95F instead of returned G5 but matte coating for an OLED is a nono as anylight in room raise blacks and kills contrast.

I'll check more on TCL C8k and see if it will fit my needs (i need blacks to be perfect). If that thing can do blacks without issues then it is no brainer. And it about half as expensive as g5 in same sizes. Kind of crazy that miniled can compete with oleds now with blacks.
 
My LG C1 OLED has annoying burn-in and some unfortunate color distortion in the center...I think I'm done with OLEDs for a while.

I saw someone mention QD-OLED. What's that?? I was looking at some of Samsung's QLEDs and found a 50in on Bestbuy for less than $400! Would anyone recommend QLED as a stand-in for OLED?
 
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My LG C1 OLED has annoying burn-in and some unfortunate color distortion in the center...I think I'm done with OLEDs for a while.

I saw someone mention QD-OLED. What's that?? I was looking at some of Samsung's QLEDs and found a 50in on Bestbuy for less than $400! Would anyone recommend QLED as a stand-in for OLED?
Personally I wouldn't go from OLED to QLED because of the difference in micro-contrast and deep inky blacks. QD-OLED has quantum dot filters to produce a larger color gamut and brighter colors it's my preferred display for gaming. It comes down to personal taste some people prefer LCD QLEDs but you owned one of the best OLEDs in the C1 so you would be downgrading.
 
Personally I wouldn't go from OLED to QLED because of the difference in micro-contrast and deep inky blacks. QD-OLED has quantum dot filters to produce a larger color gamut and brighter colors it's my preferred display for gaming. It comes down to personal taste some people prefer LCD QLEDs but you owned one of the best OLEDs in the C1 so you would be downgrading.
I'm just incredibly burnt out on burn-in. This is my 2nd OLED that eventually got burn-in after 4+ years. Also I'm not in a position to go super high end atm so I'm looking for something more "affordable" that's still decent for the price.
 
I'm just incredibly burnt out on burn-in. This is my 2nd OLED that eventually got burn-in after 4+ years. Also I'm not in a position to go super high end atm so I'm looking for something more "affordable" that's still decent for the price.

My E7 got burn in within 2 years (Rocket League). EDF6 got my C1 earlier this year. Luckily on the C1 it's only really noticeable on really light blues which not a ton of games use in solid patterns.
 
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I'm just incredibly burnt out on burn-in. This is my 2nd OLED that eventually got burn-in after 4+ years. Also I'm not in a position to go super high end atm so I'm looking for something more "affordable" that's still decent for the price.
I get it I'm on my 5th one through warranty exchange 🤪 I currently have a qdoled and it's showing signs of burn in already in under a year so for people to say burn in is a thing of the past it's complete BS, I just wish the picture wasn't so damn good or I would've been switched too.
 
After so long i buy an OLED after hating and resisting and now everyone has suddenly burn in goddamit 😂after hearing its just a myth. Lets see how long it takes for my Philips oled809 to burn in.
 
After so long i buy an OLED after hating and resisting and now everyone has suddenly burn in goddamit 😂after hearing its just a myth. Lets see how long it takes for my Philips oled809 to burn in.
It's a sad (but true) unfortunate side of OLED that many prefer not to talk about. I feel like you can go without burn-in for 5+ years, IF (And ONLY IF) you are very conscious about how you use your TV, i.e. using power saving modes, burn-in protection settings on consoles, etc...but you will most likely, after 6 years, see some kind of burn-in/color distortion effect...but man, those first 3-4 years are incredibly glorious 😅
 
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After so long i buy an OLED after hating and resisting and now everyone has suddenly burn in goddamit 😂after hearing its just a myth. Lets see how long it takes for my Philips oled809 to burn in.

I got a LG CX and I got no burn in. But I only use it for games, and I play a lot of different stuff (like not playing the same game all the time for months and months.)
 
As for my LG G5 55' TV review.
First of all I was coming from LG C1 48 which i bought like 3-4 years ago:
- I was expecting bigger jump brightness wise. It is definitely brighter just not what I imagined it to be. I thought it would sear my eyes but it is hardly so bright that i need to squint or something. I think nits and our eyes follow logarithmic law where 2000 nits isn't twice brighter than 1000nits to our eyes or something. I think we are hitting the limit of our eyes where it just accommodates to handle bright stuff. Don't even consider switching on HGIG because it cuts in half brightness and shit isn't used by almost any game aside from 1-2.
- That being said, the biggest change is in living room conditions with light in room. You can definitely feel the difference there. So if you game in living room rather like me in "gaming room" which is dark then this is definitely must have.
- I think a lot of not bright enough issues are caused actually by games poor HDR implementations. Meaning that they are calibrated to maybe 1000nits brightness. For example Diablo 2 Resurrected brightness scale only goes to 2k nits, while some other game it goes to 1000nits. Some don't even have nits settings.
- By far the best difference was with Cyberpunk 2077. It was already glorious HDR game even with default non modded settings but with G5 HDR just pops the fuck out in your eyes. That's where i felt the most difference in display from my C1. I think that this TV actually exceeds most of games capabilities to deliver HDR as those games never imagined such bright tvs. So modding is needed to improve HDR in them.

- Color wise it is definitely improvement over C1, and imo biggest improvement. C1 had tendency to shift toward more desaturated colors if you hit those 400-500nits on 20-40% window while G5 colors stay saturated up to the limit of nits so you had to lower max brightness for it not to shift. Some of the scenes in Cyberpunk2077 like the red corridor when you rescue Evelyn just bathe room is this amazing shade of red... Neon lights pop in those intense colors etc.

- 165hz vs 120hz. Another thing i looked forward to was jump to higher Hz. Much like with me changing from 60 to 120hz i didn't feel much of it until few months later i started to play my friends console to discover i actually feel now how 60hz is sluggish right now I too can't feel 165hz at all. I guess it will take time to get used to it. It is not huge jump either way and finally it gave my 5090 some stretching at 4k as most of the time i played locked 120.

- Movies, barely any difference. Most of movies are mastered up to 1000nits so G5 mostly matters on bright scenes to sustain peak brightness muuuuch better than C1 but that's pretty much all there was to it. Movies and TV shows in general from my experience are just in shitty place where they have some shitty ideas about "filmaker vision" and don't allow for much "pop", i changed to dynamic tonemapping and it improves stuff but it can't really do that much if source material tries to limit nits in HDR.

- Filmmaker mode on my C1 was more or less logical as C1 max brightness was more or less similar to filmmaker mode brightness. On G5 fimmaker mode is ridiculous. Pretty much cuts in half brightness back to C1 level. IT is not the issue with TV but with "vision" of people who make movies and tv shows. They always lived in alternate reality where they always lusted for better cameras, better computers and cgi but somehow managed to produce backward caste of idiots at the end where they artificially limit quality or introduce shitty colorist "vision" to their movies. Obviously not even talking about 24fps ancient tech that was just economical choice at start and now it is still used because "movie magic". Same movie magic that doesn't work anymore on proper screens because our screens are too sharp and too fast without smearing that produce jitter and shit is unwatchable.

- No Black Frame Insertion in game mode. I think LG G5 would be perfect for it. BFI cuts brightness in half due to how it works but G5 has plenty of power to push it bright even with BFI. Missed opportunity.

- Didn't test live tv, apps or other smartshittv features as i am not interested in them, didn't even connect this tv to internet.

- Didn't see any issues with banding in HDR. I think they fixed it like a month ago. Though I think there is some weird color pulsing or shimmer though i haven't tested it properly So far i noticed it only in Cyberpunk2077 which could be just how game rendering works. That being said effect was hard to notice in the first place and without looking for it, i wouldn't find it. I was trying to look for color banding to see if it was fixed on my firmware.

- LG webos is fucking disaster. 5 new generations from my C1 and it is still sluggish piece of crap that needs sometimes 10 seconds to load menu piece. You would think that on top end tv they would fix it but nooo, still the same crappy sluggish ui. Feels like using Windows 11 on HardDiskDrive lol.

- For some stupid reason they moved energy saving settings to general which can't be accessed quickly. Instead they moved OLED brightness to quick settings. I liked switching my C1 to auto to save my eyes from tiring during long working sessions. G5's brigness in theory is the same thing but much more annoying. And G5 auto is just way to bright for my liking during the night.

- I had some sporadic split second switching off/on HDR in windows 11 out of nowhere. IDK what is the cause but i didn't have it on C1, i think it is a bug. So far it happened like 3-4 times over course of 2 days. Probably some firmware bug with standbymode or something.

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Overall for gaming:
I think G5 is great upgrade over C1, Just don't expect blazing sun like some reviews are trying to describe it as. I think this TV hardware is just much more capable than content allows for and you need to tinker with mods to fix HDR in games to take full advantage of it. The color especially is huge upgrade but again, to see it you need proper content like Cyberpunk2077, Stuff like KingdomCome doesn't have bright colors due to natural palette used which limits "pop".

Overall for tvshows/movies:
Unless you need to fix living room daylight killing your OLED brightness pop i wouldn't reccomend switching from your older oled. Content just isn't there to take advantage of it.

Now for $$$. I am rather wealthy now so it wasn't big purchase for me. If I was short on budget i would avoid buying it and maybe wait 2-3 more generations. I think proper switch from C1 would happen with something that goes to 1000nits 100% field and maybe 4k peak nits. That should properly sear eyes.
Thanks for the in depth review. My 65 CX I got 5 years ago is about to get replaced. So I've started to look into what's decent these days.
 
I got a LG CX and I got no burn in. But I only use it for games, and I play a lot of different stuff (like not playing the same game all the time for months and months.)
Same. 65CX I bought 5 years ago. No burn In with mixed usage.
 
I've ordered the LG 83G5, scheduled for delivery and installation on November 24th. I previously owned the 65A95K QD-OLED, and while I loved its vibrant colors and deep blacks, I found it wasn't bright enough for my needs. That's why I switched to mini-LED.
My current TV is the 85 inch Bravia 9, which I bought this summer. It delivers incredible brightness, great colors and has very good local dimming. A friend recently bought the G5 and invited me over for a gaming session and movie night.
I was blown away by its brightness, the almost 3D like image, the vivid colors, and the stunning contrast.

If you think the Bravia 9 has great contrast, don't look at an OLED, because you might regret choosing mini-LED, like I did. The Bravia 9 is a fantastic TV, but it's not OLED.
Now I'm counting down the days until I can return to OLED. I've even delayed playing some games, as I want to experience them on the glorious G5 and push my 5090 to its limits at 165Hz.
 
I have a 42" LG C2 and thinking about upgrading to a 65" Samsung S90F or maybe pay a bit more for the 55" Samsung S95F. Thoughts?
 
I have a 42" LG C2 and thinking about upgrading to a 65" Samsung S90F or maybe pay a bit more for the 55" Samsung S95F. Thoughts?
I have a 90D 65" as my main gaming set linked to my pc works great. Main reason for 55" vs 65" should be distance, I dont believe there is enough difference to warrant the upgrade to the 95 vs 90, at least that was my perception. QD-Oled will def be brighter than the the c2 WOled you have.
 
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