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[seb85]

What ?
I'm playing on LG 42C4, previously 55C2 and i have no color or brightness issues. It has some issues but nothing related to picture quality on my end.
No issue with game mode also, perfectly reactive, can also go up to 144hz.

Where does that assumption come from ?

Switch to filmmaker mode and you will see the difference.

 

[Signalis]

Yeah, I've read on rtings and avforums that there are quite a few problems with the one connect box, sometimes completely bricking the TV.

Apparently there are two version of the box, and the one made in Mexico is the main source of the issues.

It's basically a lottery, you either get the good version or you're toasted.

Anything with Samsung is a lottery. Even with the S90D/S90F you are not guaranteed to get a QD-OLED panel either. You might get an LG made WOLED

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I'm looking at the Panasonic z95b. Looks like a great all rounder. I love my panny plasmas back in the day.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Anything with Samsung is a lottery. Even with the S90D/S90F you are not guaranteed to get a QD-OLED panel either. You might get an LG made WOLED

I wouldn't call it a lottery at all. It's easy enough to find out which panels are qd oled and not. It's relegated to just a few screen sizes depending on where you live.

 

[Von Hugh]

Anything with Samsung is a lottery. Even with the S90D/S90F you are not guaranteed to get a QD-OLED panel either. You might get an LG made WOLED

Not really a lottery when the results can be seen here:

 

[Signalis]

Not really a lottery when the results can be seen here:

Display Specification has been wrong on this one. Because there are quite a few people in NA that have gotten WOLED instead of QD-OLED. But it's getting less and less now, same as in Europe people expecting WOLEDs ended up actually getting QD-OLEDs with Gen3 panels(good type of lottery). So thank you for your ackchyually

 

[Rivdoric]

Switch to filmmaker mode and you will see the difference.

Because Filmmaker mode has different default settings mate.
Mainly White balance is Warm 50 on this mode where it's at 0 on Game mode if i recall among other things.
DTM is also set differently.

There is quite a few tips & tutorials for game mode but it's very quick to do.
My settings are :
DTM on HGiG (do not put this to "On" value, this turns all dynamic to shit), all enhancements/Motion Eye Care off, Gamma 2.2 (should be 2.2 by default but just check) for Brightness settings
White Balance warm 25 (i find 40/50 too red to my taste), Colour Depth 55 for Colour Settings
All off (should be greyed out anyway but check) for Clarity settings

Windows Settings : HDR On + Use the HDR calibration tool, if your display is set correctly your HDR Nits should be 800 on LG C2/3/4 (i don't know about C5).

I also use Nvidia Profile Inspector & App to force HDR on old games, but this is another topic.

Hope this helps some fellows if they have trouble.

 

[seb85]

Because Filmmaker mode has different default settings mate.
Mainly White balance is Warm 50 on this mode where it's at 0 on Game mode if i recall among other things.
DTM is also set differently.

There is quite a few tips & tutorials for game mode but it's very quick to do.
My settings are :
DTM on HGiG (do not put this to "On" value, this turns all dynamic to shit), all enhancements/Motion Eye Care off, Gamma 2.2 (should be 2.2 by default but just check) for Brightness settings
White Balance warm 25 (i find 40/50 too red to my taste), Colour Depth 55 for Colour Settings
All off (should be greyed out anyway but check) for Clarity settings

Windows Settings : HDR On + Use the HDR calibration tool, if your display is set correctly your HDR Nits should be 800 on LG C2/3/4 (i don't know about C5).

I also use Nvidia Profile Inspector & App to force HDR on old games, but this is another topic.

It has nothing to do with the settings , there is no setting that can restore the extra luminous you get from filmmaker mode nor the colors as the dynamic color boost work only in filmmaker mode , the only solution is to game on filmmaker mode with game optimizer on while simulating HGIG from DTM professional

 

[Nankatsu]

The G series from LG has 5 year warranty on the panel, with burn-in covered.

That's a plus, although they seem to be kind of sneaky after the 1st year, charging for a possible repair.

 

[ecosse_011172]

I'm looking at the Panasonic z95b. Looks like a great all rounder. I love my panny plasmas back in the day.

If it was close to the G5 in price here, I'd get one( despite the need for an HDMI switch)

 

[Nankatsu]

I'm looking at the Panasonic z95b. Looks like a great all rounder. I love my panny plasmas back in the day.

Looking at UK prices, and doing a direct conversion to €, TV will be super expensive even on 65" size, sadly.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Looking at UK prices, and doing a direct conversion to €, TV will be super expensive even on 65" size, sadly.

For sure. It's been slightly discounted lately but it's still expensive. I'm not in a big rush.

 

[Nankatsu]

Are you guys team WOLED or QD-OLED?

 

[Frostt]

It really isn't, great tv and great value but the G4 amongst others is significantly better.

For 4000$ it isnt the best TV you can buy, for sure

 

[ecosse_011172]

For 4000$ it isnt the best TV you can buy, for sure

I don't understand what you mean.
You said C4 is the best TV money can buy and now...?

 

[dotnotbot]

same as in Europe people expecting WOLEDs ended up actually getting QD-OLEDs with Gen3 panels(good type of lottery). So thank you for your ackchyually

Source needed, never seen this happen to anyone.

 

[Signalis]

Source needed, never seen this happen to anyone.

check avforums and avsforums. Plenty of pictures of people posting their ANA PEAK values / panel manufacturer date / panel serial etc.

 

[Katatonic]

My 65" and 77" C4's have been delivering for 2 years without an iota of FOMO.

OLED is still king.

 

[Signalis]

Are you guys team WOLED or QD-OLED?

I don't really care to be honest. WOLED has gotten plenty bright. Both have their advantages and drawbacks. You can't go wrong with either WOLED or QD-OLED. You'll have an amazing image regardless.

 

[dotnotbot]

check avforums and avsforums. Plenty of pictures of people posting their ANA PEAK values / panel manufacturer date / panel serial etc.

Yeah I check that forum very often. They're using ANA PEAK values to recognize exact type of QD-OLED panel they have, for example S90D had a mixture of gen 2 and 3 panels and gen 3 panels sold in EU were slightly dimmer than those sold in NA. Never seen Samsung mixing panels from different manufacturers within same model/size/region though.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Are you guys team WOLED or QD-OLED?

QD-OLED for sure. It's so bright.

 

[Frostt]

I don't understand what you mean.
You said C4 is the best TV money can buy and now...?

Yes, is the best TV money can buy. As for the G4, do you really think that 4000$ for a TV is normal or something?

 

[BossLackey]

LG C4 will be your best bet, and it's on sale for exactly $1499 for the 65" right now.

Super low input latency, VRR support, Dolby Vision/HDR-10/HDR-10+ support, 4 full-bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports, and all of the benefits of OLED.


There's also the Samsung S90D, which will give you a brighter picture vs the C4 but does not support Dolby Vision.

I picked this up recently. It's a freaking dream.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Yes, is the best TV money can buy. As for the G4, do you really think that 4000$ for a TV is normal or something?

I don't think you understand the words you are using.
The expression "best that money can buy" means THE BEST AT ANY PRICE.

 

[ecosse_011172]

QD-OLED for sure. It's so bright.

Except that all the QD-OLED sets have a flaw.
Either no Dolby Vision or only 2 HDMI2.1 ports.

 

[StereoVsn]

Except that all the QD-OLED sets have a flaw.
Either no Dolby Vision or only 2 HDMI2.1 ports.

Yeah, and this is why I have been eyeing 77" G4 sets.

Edit: If folks don't care about movie image quality, new Samsungs are probably better.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

I'm gonna have to disagree. Granted I'm talking about TVs and not monitors but it certainly does not ruin image quality. People talk about inky blacks during daytime on glossy screens but they fail to mention you can see yourself and everything in the room in the fucking screen lol.

I could see selfreflections on my old glossy LCD and plasma TVs, but not on my current QD-OLED monitor, as the reflections are wayyyyy less dim (and therefore less visible). To see my reflections, I would need to place my OLED monitor next to the window and turn it off. A matte screen bothers me much more because it doesn't remove reflections as people think; it only turns them into an unrecognisable bright blob that destroys image quality. That bright blob spreads across the entire screen, lifting the blacks and desaturating the colours.

LCD technology is not very good when it comes to contrast and blacks, but I was impressed by the glossy screen on my old (2006) IPS monitor. During the day this thing could rival my plasma and qd-oled when it comes to contrast perception. My last LCD monitor was way supperior when it comes to gamut coverage, contrast, resolution and refreshrate, but picture quality was terrible compared to that old 2006 IPS screen.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Except that all the QD-OLED sets have a flaw.
Either no Dolby Vision or only 2 HDMI2.1 ports.

Why does DV matter when we have HDR+?

 

[ecosse_011172]

Why does DV matter when we have HDR+?

Because Netflix, Apple TV+, Disney + etc. use Dolby vision,.
AFAIK only Amazon Prime uses HDR10

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Because Netflix, Apple TV+, Disney + etc. use Dolby vision, as do 4k Blu-ray Discs.
AFAIK only Amazon Prime uses HDR10

So? HDR movies - including those in DV - look just fine on non-DV TVs.

 

[Nankatsu]

So the 5 year warranty on the LG is a complete hoax?

There's a ton o clauses there, and best of all, they completely dodge possible burn in issues.

 

[ecosse_011172]

So? HDR movies - including those in DV - look just fine on non-DV TVs.

The simple facts are that your TV does not support the format of most of the streaming services out there,.
It's the major con of Samsung TVs that for many, detract from the other good stuff.
You can say it doesn't matter because you love your TV all you like, those are the facts.

 

[TGO]

So? HDR movies - including those in DV - look just fine on non-DV TVs.

That's because none DV TV's drops to standard HDR10 when detected.
basically if you have a HDR10+ TV 96% of your content will be displayed in standard HDR10
if you have DV TV about 30% will be standard HDR10 because the majority are DV.
the very few that are HDR10+ but will drop to HDR10.
but there's more content available in DV then HDR10 & + combined.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

The simple facts are that your TV does not support the format of most of the streaming services out there,.
It's the major con of Samsung TVs that for many, detract from the other good stuff.
You can say it doesn't matter because you love your TV all you like, those are the facts.

I still don't follow. DV content is displayed on HDR in Samsung.

 

[Bojji]

I still don't follow. DV content is displayed on HDR in Samsung.

It's using HDR10 in that case.

Samsung tvs have AWFUL UI, that's the main reason to avoid them. And this:

 

[TGO]

I still don't follow. DV content is displayed on HDR in Samsung.

Which is fine if you're okay with the majority of your content only being HDR10.
but if you think HDR10+ is better then HDR10....then those with DV supported TV's get that experience more then not in comparison.
If HDR10+ was supported as DV is it would be a different story

 

[Pimpbaa]

Wouldn't a woled being better in the long run for gaming? You only got the red, green, and blue subpixels on a qd-oled no large white subpixel to do the heavy lifting in regards to brightness. Yeah it can wash out the colors a bit in comparison, but you'll get a longer lasting tv (especially playing a lot of games with static hud elements). The again, rtings could have only done long term burn in testing on early qd-oled models. They don't have a time machine to test long test burn in testing for current models. Still tho, something to think about (especially considering how long LGs OLEDs last for example).

 

[Jacobson]

how's the LG C4 for gaming (Switch) and movies? i know the C5 released this year but it's way too expensive lol

 

[SunnySideGuy]

Are there any great deals happening now or coming up I should pay attention too? I've never owned an OLED before and would like to jump in, but is there any holiday deals that may be coming up that'll be a good time to try and jump in?

 

[yogaflame]

If you have the cash, Sony bravia 8 and 9 are the best. But LG is also very good.

 

[ecosse_011172]

I still don't follow. DV content is displayed on HDR in Samsung.

Forgive the Ai:

When you play Dolby Vision content on a Samsung TV, the TV converts it to HDR10, displaying a standard HDR image rather than the superior dynamic HDR format. Samsung TVs do not natively support Dolby Vision because the company prefers its own royalty-free HDR10+ format, which allows them to avoid licensing fees and maintain greater control over their devices. The content will still be in HDR, but it will not have the advanced dynamic metadata that makes Dolby Vision a more vibrant and detailed picture.

What Happens to the Dolby Vision Signal

1. 1. Conversion to HDR10:
   Your Samsung TV receives the Dolby Vision signal and processes it, removing the dynamic metadata unique to Dolby Vision.
   
   
2. 2. Standard HDR Display:
   The TV then displays the content using the base HDR10 layer, which is a static HDR format.
   
   
3. 3. Reduced Visual Quality:
   You will not experience the benefits of Dolby Vision's dynamic metadata, such as frame-by-frame brightness and color adjustments, as the image will be displayed with a fixed level of contrast and color.
   

 

[ecosse_011172]

Are there any great deals happening now or coming up I should pay attention too? I've never owned an OLED before and would like to jump in, but is there any holiday deals that may be coming up that'll be a good time to try and jump in?

Black Friday always has great deals on that year's models

 

[Gitaroo]

any road map or rumor that we will get 240hz 4K OLED tv next year?

 

[keefged4]

Because Filmmaker mode has different default settings mate.
Mainly White balance is Warm 50 on this mode where it's at 0 on Game mode if i recall among other things.
DTM is also set differently.

There is quite a few tips & tutorials for game mode but it's very quick to do.
My settings are :
DTM on HGiG (do not put this to "On" value, this turns all dynamic to shit), all enhancements/Motion Eye Care off, Gamma 2.2 (should be 2.2 by default but just check) for Brightness settings
White Balance warm 25 (i find 40/50 too red to my taste), Colour Depth 55 for Colour Settings
All off (should be greyed out anyway but check) for Clarity settings

Windows Settings : HDR On + Use the HDR calibration tool, if your display is set correctly your HDR Nits should be 800 on LG C2/3/4 (i don't know about C5).

I also use Nvidia Profile Inspector & App to force HDR on old games, but this is another topic.

Hope this helps some fellows if they have trouble.

It has nothing to do with the settings , there is no setting that can restore the extra luminous you get from filmmaker mode nor the colors as the dynamic color boost work only in filmmaker mode , the only solution is to game on filmmaker mode with game optimizer on while simulating HGIG from DTM professional

LG C4, you should be using Filmmaker mode but with ALLM mode on and 4:4:4 passthrough, plus forcing HGIG via Colour Control if playing HDR games. It makes a huge difference in colour depth. Warm 45 is recommended to get closest to the correct D65 colour temperature.
The same applies to SDR, without obvoiusly having to force HGIG.

Game Optimiser mode as Seb85 says, looks very flat in comparision. Switch between GO and FMM and you should easily be able to tell the difference in colour depth.

Using 4:4:4 passthrough and ALLM provides virtually the same input lag results as GO mode, so there really isn't any reason to use it over FMM.

 

[Nankatsu]

If you have the cash, Sony bravia 8 and 9 are the best. But LG is also very good.

Man if only the bravia 9 wasn't so damn expensive.

It's Mini-LED, as good as an OLED, but damn, those prices...yikes.

 

[Rivdoric]

LG C4, you should be using Filmmaker mode but with ALLM mode on and 4:4:4 passthrough, plus forcing HGIG via Colour Control if playing HDR games. It makes a huge difference in colour depth. Warm 45 is recommended to get closest to the correct D65 colour temperature.
The same applies to SDR, without obvoiusly having to force HGIG.

Game Optimiser mode as Seb85 says, looks very flat in comparision. Switch between GO and FMM and you should easily be able to tell the difference in colour depth.

Using 4:4:4 passthrough and ALLM provides virtually the same input lag results as GO mode, so there really isn't any reason to use it over FMM.

Curious.
Just checked the "official" OLED Gaming Reddit guideline here : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...pg-jqTSewuLPkRrd-n5qkN/pubhtml#gid=1331796276
It mentions this :

Does Game Optimizer mode have worse Color Volume?
Many users have noticed a drop in color volume in Game Optimizer mode on some models (G3, C4) which is attributed to disabling of "dynamic color boost." However, rtings has responded to this by demonstating no difference in color luminance and determined that perceived differences in color volume are due to inherent differences in brightness between Game and non-Game modes (rtings). Due to the conflict, the current consensus is that if you feel the Color Volume is decreased in Game Optimizer mode, then use a non-Game mode such as HDR Filmmaker with HGiG forced (via Color Control) or with DTM Off.

Seems this is controversial as they imply it's purely because of the drop of maximum luminance (EG : FMM Brightness 25 is around equal to GM 35 or so).
I don't know what is true but i never tried to force HGiG over FMM, i'll try it just in case but since it requires the use of a background app (Color Control) everytime this will be a bit annoying in the long run. Still, i'll take a look, thanks !

 

[Xtib81]

The simple facts are that your TV does not support the format of most of the streaming services out there,.
It's the major con of Samsung TVs that for many, detract from the other good stuff.
You can say it doesn't matter because you love your TV all you like, those are the facts.

It's true, though I'd bet good money that at least 95% of users wouldn't be able to tell the difference between hdr10 and DV.

 

[keefged4]

Curious.
Just checked the "official" OLED Gaming Reddit guideline here : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...pg-jqTSewuLPkRrd-n5qkN/pubhtml#gid=1331796276
It mentions this :


Seems this is controversial as they imply it's purely because of the drop of maximum luminance (EG : FMM Brightness 25 is around equal to GM 35 or so).
I don't know what is true but i never tried to force HGiG over FMM, i'll try it just in case but since it requires the use of a background app (Color Control) everytime this will be a bit annoying in the long run. Still, i'll take a look, thanks !

At the end of the day, it's really personal preference. I'm sticking with FFM & HGIG because there's really no downsides to doing so. Setting HGIG with colour control is really just set and forget, no need to change it over from FMM.

 

[ecosse_011172]

It's true, though I'd bet good money that at least 95% of users wouldn't be able to tell the difference between hdr10 and DV.

No idea but aren't we enthusiast users rather than the 95%?

 

[Rivdoric]

At the end of the day, it's really personal preference. I'm sticking with FFM & HGIG because there's really no downsides to doing so. Setting HGIG with colour control is really just set and forget, no need to change it over from FMM.

Do you also enable Dolby Vision PC in this mode or not ?
Sharpness value from 10 to 0 i suppose ?
Colour Depth is 50 by default in FMM, do you leave it also default ? GM is 55.

So i just did a quick switch to try : FM Mode, ALLM enabled (was on already), 4:4:4 (was on already), All AI enhancements off and i can definitely see/feel a slightly bigger input lag compared to GM.
It's not enormous but it is very obvious for me as i'm very sensitive to that.
Any setting i might have missed ?

Thanks.