Watch him end up being stealth strongest marine haha. Something finally happens to make him get serious and he just starts curb stomping everyone at the speed of light.
Kizaru is the littlefinger of One Piece.
Watch him end up being stealth strongest marine haha. Something finally happens to make him get serious and he just starts curb stomping everyone at the speed of light.
Watch him end up being stealth strongest marine haha. Something finally happens to make him get serious and he just starts curb stomping everyone at the speed of light.
After Marineford there are still people doubting Akainu as the No1. marine ? lol Bloodlust Akainu destorys Kizaru. Kizaru was ready to back down when Beckmann told him too not move, while Akainu was willing to destroy WB, Shanks, Ace, Luffy all on the spot.
Glad to see OP OT.
Can any OP expert tell me whydied the way he did?Ace
I spent the entire manga/anime imagining him as strong/smart and he died in a way that absolutely pissed me off. I paused for a long while from the series after that. Didn't likeeither, but I was way more intohow WhiteBeard went down.Ace
was a guy who refused to run away from a fight. That was mistake number one. He was also probably not at 100% since he wasAcefor awhile. Anyways it would seem that magma bros magma was hotter than fire or something and therefore able toin jail. He also could have used a haki laced magma attack to killburn acebut i'm pretty sure he didn't have to because his fruit was just superior. Oh yeah he jumped in front of luffy to save him from an attack didn't he? Logia users forget to dodge stuff since they are so used to nothing being able to touch them. They get cocky and pay the price for it. I assume the same happened toAceduring thesmoker.timeskip
Yeah thats true I guess. I still just get the impression that Kizaru was just messing around though. If he is truly light he should be able to dodge even a pistol that is close to him. I assume he has observation haki as well which would alert him before the bullet goes off.
Maybe the light light fruit just doesn't give you the full power of light. If he truly can't move at the speed of light it would make more sense for him to say ok i'm done when Beckmann had a haki infused gun pointing at him.
Ace didnt dodge to save Luffy, the fist would have killed Luffy if he hadnt stopped the impact with his real body.
Uh no, Smoker didn't get cocky because he was a Logia. He was dealing with opponents with incredibly strong Haki.
Plus, part of the battle with Vergo was intended to be a distraction so Law could get his heart back.
Kizaru's weak point would be his own reaction speed. If he knows something is coming he could easily turn to light and fly away, but if he isn't aware he'll take the hit before he could transform or escape. At such close range, Kizaru probably wouldn't be able to transform and dodge (a Haki infused bullet would still hit him in light form) in between the time Beckmann pulls the trigger and the bullet hitting him. Just because someone can detect something with Observation doesn't mean they can dodge it. Beckmann might also have a more powerful rifle that fires bullets at higher speed, considering that seems to be his weapon of choice and using a standard gun probably wouldn't cut it in the New World.
Oh, hmm. Interesting. I can see that happening.
Enel is serious business. You might think he was just taking advantage of his logia in a realm of no other logias, but he showed some pretty sophisticated techniques. He used his fruit to enhance his haki to a level where he could observe all of of Skypiea passively at any given moment, and he could destroy entire islands as if it were nothing. He was also said to be a strong warrior even before he got his fruit, and for the brief period of time that he fought against Luffy, he used his bo staff pretty efficiently. I think he's easily on the same level as the admirals.
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do you know if it's alright to snip translated panels and rehost them at Abload?
do you know if it's alright to snip translated panels and rehost them at Abload?
Yeah. Just make sure there's no watermarks on them.
This is what I mean. Enel was literally God in Skypiea and could do whatever he wanted with minimal effort, and he was that strong without any formal training beyond whatever typical Bilkan warriors had. But if he were on the Blue Seas and was forced to get his act together, he'd be terrifyingly powerful.The thing with Enel is that he never met someone that could bypass his logia defense until Luffy. So he couldn't build endurance against powerful attacks. It's not his fault he lived in a place that no one could stand up to him. It's actually impressive that Enel became that strong with no one actually able to give a fight. The fact that he knows Color of Observation means that he has a chance to learn CoA, which in my opinion, is the most important Haki skill.
I say even skilled Haki (Read, CoA) users are going to have some trouble and might even lose against Enel, because to defend against lightning spamming, they would have to keep CoA shields everytime. While Luffy was just plain immune to Enel's lightning. Only the really top, like the Admirals, could take Enel with ease. However, if Enel someday learns Color of Armaments, he has potential to be at the very top alongside the Admirals.
Last time I read was when they were under the sea having some battle with some gang of fish dudes I forget. Some of the art I had trouble seeing what was going on. Anime I watched up to the beginning of that underwater arc I think. That whole arc was kind of a drag for me I'm sure it gets better but I'd like to wait until the series ends.... :/
Last time I read was when they were under the sea having some battle with some gang of fish dudes I forget. Some of the art I had trouble seeing what was going on. Anime I watched up to the beginning of that underwater arc I think. That whole arc was kind of a drag for me I'm sure it gets better but I'd like to wait until the series ends.... :/
did you forget that the final punch luffy used to defeat enel was wrapped in a giant ball of gold? no way in hell any of the admirals will have that kind of power.You are severely underestimating the admirals and overestimating Enel.
Each of the admirals even without their fruits have shown that their physical abilities are no joke. Their speed, power and durability are all exemplary which is expected of any top tier fighter. They are not glass cannons like Enel, they are more than capable of being significant threats even without their fruits.
Any of the 4 admirals would absolutely fodderize Enel. The fact that Pre-Water 7 Luffy could put him down speaks volumes about his durability. Even if Luffy was rubber, he still hit hard enough to put Enel down. A casual hit from any of the 4 Admiral are far above what Skypiea Luffy could even dream of doing damage wise and would put Enel down with the utmost of ease.
Um.Fishman island is filler
fishman island was necessary since the ship noah and the princess's power will probably play a big role at the end of one piece.
every time i want to check on a little thing about one piece, i end up spending way too much time doing so. especially sbs. the chapters themselves cannot contain all the world building within it. it's like wikipedia or tvtropes to me.
fishman island wasn't filler, it just sucked
did you forget that the final punch luffy used to defeat enel was wrapped in a giant ball of gold? no way in hell any of the admirals will have that kind of power.
After Marineford there are still people doubting Akainu as the No1. marine ? lol Bloodlust Akainu destorys Kizaru. Kizaru was ready to back down when Beckmann told him too not move, while Akainu was willing to destroy WB, Shanks, Ace, Luffy all on the spot.
After Marineford there are still people doubting Akainu as the No1. marine ? lol Bloodlust Akainu destorys Kizaru. Kizaru was ready to back down when Beckmann told him too not move, while Akainu was willing to destroy WB, Shanks, Ace, Luffy all on the spot.
everything you said depends on the admirals being able to bypass enel's logia and hit him with those moves. can akainu's logia bypass the lightning fruit just like it did ace's? lightning is much hotter than magma so it shouldn't be able to eat it. none of the other admiral powers should be able to bypass lightning either.Not even close
A giant ball of gold attached to luffy's arm is not even comparable to a half assed casual attack from an admiral let alone anyone half decent from Water 7 onwards.
For comparisons sake how does a giant ball of gold that is being powered by a pre gears luffy end up more powerful than any of the following
Akainu
Akainu literally blew off half the head of the world's strongest man, for your statement to be true you're essentially saying that Luffy's final attack with that gold ball would have dealt greater damage to WB than what Akainu did...... not a chance
Kizaru
A casual warning shot from Kizaru levelled a mangrove as large as a town in Sabaody Archipelago, again for what you're saying to be true that gold ball attack would have enough power to level a town..... not a chance.
Aokiji
Even with a distinct type disadvantage against Akainu's hotter than fire magma Aokiji fought on for 10 days and stalemated that magma that was capable of not only burning fire but also blasting of half of WB's face. Not to mention the fact that Aokiji OHKOd Jozu a WB division commander, for what you're saying to be true that would mean that Skypiea Luffy + gold ball could take out a WB commander........ not a chance.
Fujitora
He casually pulled a meteor from orbit with such force that just the fragments of that meteor created a crater large enough to alter the coastline of the island in his encounter with Law and Doflamino so you can imagine what the full meteor would have done. Not only that but he blocked parts of that meteor with absolute ease while Law and Doflamino actively had to hack the meteor apart to protect themselves.
There is no logical way for a gold ball powered by a pre gears Luffy to deal more damage than admirals who's hits still make a mockery of current Luffy's best efforts in the sheer power and damage they deal. It is literally impossible for a significantly weaker Luffy to do more damage than people who far outclass him in his current state (A state that would quite easily OHKO his Skypiea self and Enel with ease).
That final attack from Luffy wasn't remotely comparable to what an admiral can do and what an admiral can take.
So can we host scans on imgur or abload or something like that and then use link them as images since we can't post manga links?
That was purely Kizaru being Kizaru.
Kizaru attacked WB without any qualms, him stopping when Beckmann threatened him is in no way a sign of him fearing Beckman.
In terms of who is the strongest though it is Akainu as said by Oda, Oda also states that Akainu is so powerful that if he was the main protagonist he could put an end to One Piece in one year.
Not sure if i can link where he says it.
hahahaha
see you in ten years. to be fair that whole arc is, like, the biggest drag in series history. but it picks back up
Fishman island is filler till the end with a huuuuge wham line that sets in fourth the entire second half of the story. next arc is the start of the shit gets real arc, when we see the major players actively get involved in the series.
Yeah, I know there's longer series but it's crazy this has been going since 97 (?) with no end in sight.
Glad it picks up, didn't know it was filler. Maybe I'll pick it up again.
Yeah, I know there's longer series but it's crazy this has been going since 97 (?) with no end in sight.
Glad it picks up, didn't know it was filler. Maybe I'll pick it up again.
Really? I haven't re-read in quite a while. What has he done of so disgusting?
i never said they couldn't defeat enel but i don't think they would be able to hit enel as hard as luffy did in his last shot that took him down.@ people thinking that Enel would stand any chance against the Marine admirals - those guys are at the top for a reason and proved this over and over again.
everything you said depends on the admirals being able to bypass enel's logia and hit him with those moves. can akainu's logia bypass the lightning fruit just like it did ace's? lightning is much hotter than magma so it shouldn't be able to eat it. none of the other admiral powers should be able to bypass lightning either.
The only reason Luffy beat Crocodile and Enel was because they had a 4x weakness to something that Luffy had to exploit to win (water and rubber)
haki allows you to strike a logia user but it's never at full power. why do you think aokiji and akainu fought for that long? they basically whittled each other down until akainu was the winner. since haki never allows you to strike a logia user at full power then how is that strike going to be more powerful than luffy's gold ball punch?Of course they could bypass his intangibility. Every single vice admiral can use CoA and CoO, it's essentially impossible for you to become an admiral without mastering those two forms of haki. Any top tier worth anything can use at least CoA if not CoO as well in conjunction with monstrous physical abilities to ensure they aren't solely dependent on DFs if they do use them, as Pekoms said "Logia who think they are invincible have short lifespans"
That is absolutely Enel in a nutshell and was Ace in a nutshell as well, two people who because they had logia intangibility lost their heads about where they were in terms of power and suffered because of it.
All 3 of the original admirals have shown CoA, they are the only ones to use it to create a shield like they did to stop WB's quake towards the area Ace was being held at the start of the MF war.
No reason to believe Fujitora can't use CoA as well, also an admiral currently has the greatest shown range of CoO in the series. Enel using his lightning fruit spanned an island, Fujitora's CoO eclipsed that the moment he started casually pulling meteors from orbit to attack with.
haki allows you to strike a logia user but it's never at full power. why do you think aokiji and akainu fought for that long? they basically whittled each other down until akainu was the winner. since haki never allows you to strike a logia user at full power then how is that strike going to be more powerful than luffy's gold ball punch?
what i said only applies vs logia users. haki allows you catch the logia user but its not a strike at full power.What?
Where did you get that idea from.
That is completely at odds with Rayleigh's own words on CoA in Chapter 597 page 13 and 14
CoA forces normally intangible bodies to be solid and the stronger your CoA the greater the amplification of your attack. Case in point Garp and Prime Chinjao using a CoA infused fist and head respectively when they clashed rather than their bare fist and head. Chinjao had to infuse his head with CoA in order to split a continent, why would he bother with that if it was only going to gimp his attack as you say. Garp in their clash used CoA to take on Chinjao, if it was gimping him in the process then he should have just punched him without blackening his fist. You even have the Kuja who infused their arrows with CoA which resulted in them exploding on impact. Your statement is a direct contradiction to what the manga has shown and stated in regards to CoA, it would mean that every CoA user has been purposefully gimping themselves (Even against non logias) because?
It is literally logically impossible for a weaker Luffy to deal an attack stronger than what people significantly stronger than him could do casually. It's basically saying that a mouse with sharpened teeth can inflict more damage in a single bite or hit harder than you or me casually kicking something.
Akainu and Aokiji fought for that long because they had the stamina and durability to. They weren't weakened or dealing weaker hits, they were at full power dealing hits that would outright kill Enel in one shot. Their ability to battle for 10 days straight like that is a testament to their physical superiority compared to lesser fighters. For comparison Jinbei and Ace could only manage to last 5 days before collapse, Aokiji and Akainu dealt and took damage capable of levelling islands with ease for 10 days straight before Aokiji finally lost.
what i said only applies vs logia users. haki allows you catch the logia user but its not a strike at full power.
where does it say haki allows you to hit logias at full power? we've seen hints at what i'm saying all over the place. why didn't rayleigh severely wound kizaru when he cut him to stop him from killing luffy? it was a full haki sword strike but instead he just gave him a tiny cut to his cheek. blackbeards DF wouldn't even be special if haki allowed you to hit logias at full power. logias are the strongest precisely because it's not possible to touch the users unless you can use haki or you can cancel their powers like luffy did vs crocodile and enel. do i really have to explain why haki works on non logias? they take 100% of the damage when you hit them.Again that completely flies in the face of the manga's own words, where does it say that Haki vs a Logia only allows for a weaker hit?
Also what you said is inconsistent, why would it suddenly allow only reduced damage against Logias but boost attacks against everything else?