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[Veelk]

My one panel starts this again argue about oda sexism all you want there was absolutely nothing wrong with how kyros was portrayed however he's a father you protect your children period

*shrug*

I prefer it when parents nurture their kids into becoming something worth while. Rebecca is a grown woman and seasoned fighter. She's not a helpless infant, but that's what his treatment comes off as. And as a result, it's mark of unintentional disrespect. You aren't protecting your child by not letting them solve their own problems. In this case, Rebecca was trying to reconcile her necessity to fight for survival and pacifistic philosophy. What Daddy here is doing is taking away her ability to make a choice about her life. He's helping her survive, but not actually helping her live her life.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

*shrug*

I prefer it when parents nurture their kids into becoming something worth while. Rebecca is a grown woman and seasoned fighter. She's not a helpless infant, but that's what his treatment comes off as. And as a result, it's mark of unintentional disrespect. You aren't protecting your child by not letting them solve their own problems. In this case, Rebecca was trying to reconcile her necessity to fight for survival and pacifistic philosophy. What Daddy here is doing is taking away her ability to make a choice about her life. He's helping her survive, but not actually helping her live her life.

He's not gonna put his child in danger when he can handle the situation. It was already painful enough to sit their so close and not be able to help your child he couldn't protect her mother and he couldn't do anything else but teach her to defend herself. Rebecca could've went no father I want to fight too to flesh out her character but kyros I refuse to fault him for being a parent

 

[Veelk]

He's not gonna put his child in danger when he can handle the situation. It was already painful enough to sit their so close and not be able to help your child he couldn't protect her mother and he couldn't do anything else but teach her to defend herself. Rebecca could've went no father I want to fight too to flesh out her character but kyros I refuse to fault him for being a parent

I can when that parenting style is detrimental to the child. Which is what I consider it. What if he hadn't been able to take on Diamante, the elite soldier of the Doflamingo family, by himself? If he's that strong, how do you think Rebecca could have faired against him then?

No, their optimal choice of survival was to have himself, Robin, and Rebecca unleash hell on Diamante together. Again, Rebecca isn't a normal civilian. She's both a grown woman and an accomplished fighter. Her aid would have been invaluable.

You don't get parenting points for infantizing your kid when they're grown up. And yeah, that's what happens here, and it's gender driven. Do you see Garp or even Dragon running to Luffy saying "Oh, no, my dear boy, you can't fight these dangerous people!" No, and there are reasons for that. It's demeaning when the person in question now has a history of accomplishments to their name. That's something you can do to women in OP, but it'd be emasculating to men.

 

[Metal B]

My one panel starts this again argue about oda sexism all you want there was absolutely nothing wrong with how kyros was portrayed however he's a father you protect your children period

Sorry, I felt for Veelk bait ...

What, kill someone? In one piece? Good luck. She'd have to do a hell of a ton of intentionally lethal damage to even start. I don't buy the argument at all that she couldn't have cut him up enough to disable him, assuming that she could infact do that. Shit, that's what Kyros ended up doing, and Diamante lived through that just fine. It takes more than a couple sword cuts to kill anyone in this series. Besides, the way it's presented implies she's just out of her league, so there is never the less a "Stay back lady, I have to save you" moment.

This is just meta thinking, like not being afraid of a dagger in Dungeon and Dragons, since it only make 1D4 Damage. By this logic nothing matters. Luffy would never die or get beaten, since he is the hero of the series, and of course the bad guys lose, since they are evil. Wired line of thinking for any fictional story.

Even if you don't buy that excuse, the fact is that there is always some arbitrary reason women can't. Oh, she's too weak. Oh, she doesn't have the right fruit for it. Oh, she believes in peace. Rebecca wanting to be a pacifist would have been fine, if kinda stupid given the threat that Doflamingo's group presents, if she was the exception rather than the rule.

I give you, that Oda was too often either too idealistic about woman (all woman are angels or devils or a better in diplomatic roles) or he didn't give them a fighting spirit. In some regards this has changed, even so pirate men are still the bigger majority.
But Rebeccas and Kyros story was very different from that, where the reason for Kyro in stopping Rebecca is well developed, explained and emotional. The context of One Piece and expectation of some fans are the main problem​ of this story. In isolation it's a nice story about parenthood and redemption.

 

[Veelk]

Sorry, I felt for Veelk bait ...

Replying to a point someone else brought up isn't me baiting anyone.

This is just meta thinking, like not being afraid of a dagger in Dungeon and Dragons, since it only make 1D4 Damage. By this logic nothing matters. Luffy would never die or get beaten, since he is the hero of the series, and of course the bad guys lose, since they are evil. Wired line of thinking for any fictional story.

I don't think it's like that at all. The stuff you're listing, sure, that's meta analysis of the OP story structure, like if Luffy somehow knew he'd have to fight the boss of a place before moving on to the next island. However, characters canonically know that it takes a fuckton of damage to kill anybody, even if that mostly applies to super strong characters, which is a group Diamante is definitely a part of. No one is ever surprised at "How could have have survived that" from ordinary attacks. Everyone knows it takes a lot to actually kill powerful characters. Rebecca wasn't going to do it by accident.

I give you, that Oda was too often either too idealistic about woman (all woman are angels or devils or a better in diplomatic roles) or he didn't give them a fighting spirit. In some regards this has changed, even so pirate men are still the bigger majority.
But Rebeccas and Kyros story was very different from that, where the reason for Kyro in stopping Rebecca is well developed, explained and emotional. The context of One Piece and expectation of some fans are the main problem​ of this story. In isolation it's a nice story about parenthood and redemption.

Well, I don't agree with that, but you're mostly reasoning it well enough. I don't mean to say that you can't enjoy it, but I really dislike it. The idea of employing pacifism against what is essentially the most evil group of pirates introduced to the story thus far when it's unlikely they'll even kill them even if they beat them is a special kind of stupidity in my eyes. Not unlike the fish princess not letting anyone know she knew who murdered her mother because "you can't hold on to hatred". It just makes me lose respect for the character and feel that the bad guy is entitled to getting what he wants if they're going to be that boneheaded about it (and yes, I know that doesn't jive morally, but it's a audience satisfaction thing. If a character in a horror movie is sufficiently stupid, viewers will eventually just start rooting for the monster to eat them. Same principle. Which is why I support Akainu And Kidd, 2020.)

 

[Metal B]

I don't think it's like that at all. The stuff you're listing, sure, that's meta analysis of the OP story structure, like if Luffy somehow knew he'd have to fight the boss of a place before moving on to the next island. However, characters canonically know that it takes a fuckton of damage to kill anybody, even if that mostly applies to super strong characters, which is a group Diamante is definitely a part of. No one is ever surprised at "How could have have survived that" from ordinary attacks. Everyone knows it takes a lot to actually kill powerful characters. Rebecca wasn't going to do it by accident.

The story of Rebecca isn't perfect and you brought up one of its weaker​ elements. We aren't showed, that Rebecca would be able to beat and consider to kill Diamante. Oda clearly did the mistake of not showing us her rage. We only had her father's word and our perception (who wouldn't want to kill, the murder of our parents), that she is totally gone do it. So there wasn't really any tension building up to there second face-off.

Well, I don't agree with that, but you're mostly reasoning it well enough. I don't mean to say that you can't enjoy it, but I really dislike it. The idea of employing pacifism against what is essentially the most evil group of pirates introduced to the story thus far when it's unlikely they'll even kill them even if they beat them is a special kind of stupidity in my eyes. Not unlike the fish princess not letting anyone know she knew who murdered her mother because "you can't hold on to hatred". It just makes me lose respect for the character and feel that the bad guy is entitled to getting what he wants if they're going to be that boneheaded about it (and yes, I know that doesn't jive morally, but it's a audience satisfaction thing. If a character in a horror movie is sufficiently stupid, viewers will eventually just start rooting for the monster to eat them. Same principle. Which is why I support Akainu And Kidd, 2020.)

I agree, that Oda has those two issues. One is showing, that no violence, having a normal life and live in a peaceful society are the ideal state in One Piece's universe (and ours of course). Just a few chapters ago we learned, that Big Mom just wanna bring world peace (in the worst way possible). But it's of course hard to preach a better world, while having a story about bad ass criminals. Sometimes those themes clash, like with Rebecca. On one hand we want her to be badass, but on the other she could reach a better life by letting other people do the heavy lifting and not get too violent. It's a hard road to walk, but One Piece does it better, then other manga in my opinions.

The other is well-meaning idiots ... Oda and other japanese authors uses the troop to often .. escpailly too many women are victims of it.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Can you expand? It's been years since I glimpsed at either of those, though I do remember some shit going down. Just not what.

Death Note can slip you by if you aren't careful, but then you realize that all of the many super genius characters are men, the expansive cast of the police force contains seemingly no women, and Misa Amane, the most prominent female character in the show, is little more than a doe-eyed agency-less slave to Light who doesn't really amount to anything, and it doesn't really pass muster.

Bakuman is a bit harder to ignore. Bakuman's entire plot hinges around the fact that the main hero and heroine swear, in high school, to marry as soon as they each fulfill their dreams of becoming a manga author and voice actress, while never meeting at all until then (if Zou's sacrifice scene bothered you for being too idealistic ((I disagree)) then sink your teeth into that). The problem with this fantasy is that the heroine is little more than a prize, made hilariously transparent by the fact that we never spend a single panel dedicated to her dream until the end, when her entire career hinges on whether she'll voice a character the hero made.

But that's not all, as I'll let Jason Thompson articulate:

Readers who disliked the irrationality of the female characters in Death Note (my H1000M partner Shaenon Garrity called Misa in Death Note “the stupidest creature on Earth”) will find more confirmation in Bakuman. that Tsugumi Ohba, the author, is one sexist dude. Even by shonen manga standards, Bakuman. is sexist: not in a casual “here's some panty shots” way, or a self-aware “look at this crazy sexism, we know it's wrong but we're just jokin’, honest” way, but with the unapologetic stance of a conservative praising old-fashioned attitudes. Of course, you don't have to be a right-winger to enjoy the classic manly manga that Ohba namedrops in Bakuman., like Ashita no Joe, Kyojin no Hoshi and Sakigake!! Otokojuku—the ‘60s-‘70s Japanese idea that manga is a “man's world” like sports and martial arts (really, that everything worthwhile is a “man's world”) is the kind of thing lovingly parodied in the works of Kazuhiko Shimamoto—but in Bakuman. there's no parody at all: the main female characters are either bitter, man-hating viragos motivated by grudges against men who rejected them (like Iwase, who becomes a manga artist just to show up Akito), or patient helpmates whose role is to support their men and cook them dinner (like Miyoshi, the girl Akito chooses). The dismissal of women goes back even to the first relationship of child to parent: Akito, Taka and other male characters who show up later have antagonistic relationships with their moms, stereotypical ‘education mamas’ (kyoiku mamas, a bit similar to the modern stereotype of “tiger moms”) who hate manga and continually pressure their sons to be ‘normal’, to study and succeed. It's the fathers and uncles—offscreen, distant, godlike figures in classic manga style—who support their boys, uttering lines like “Men have dreams that women will never be able to understand.” As for Miho, her quest to become a voice actress takes place mostly offscreen, and at one point she turns down a great job in an anime because it's based on a manga by Taka's rival. As Akito says in the first volume, when they're still in school: “Miho naturally knows that a girl should be graceful and polite…and because she's a girl, she should be earnest about things and get average grades. She knows by instinct that a girl won't look cute if she's overly smart.” There's one or two teases that, if you're an extremely generous reader, suggest Ohba might be self-aware about what he's writing, like the line “It's a boy's manga, so we just need to come up with a boy's idealization of a girl,” but a general men's-club attitude emanates throughout. The only female mangaka of any imporance is Ko Aoki, who comes across as uptight, prim and proper (“I just can't stand reading about drugs and whatnot in a boys’ manga magazine!” “Your work is too violent!”), although eventually she is humanized a little and shares manga tips with the heroes; they advise her on how to use panty shots to attract male readers, she tells them to use cute animals to attract girls.

So...yeah.

 

[Veelk]

I don't actually remember where I stopped, and I was a very different person when I read it anyway, but jeez. That all sounds awful.

It's the worst when the narrative itself is structured around supporting sexism. You could fix coincidental stuff like not having any intelligent female character in Deathnote, but stuff like Bakuman is engrained into the bones of the story itself.

 

[Chase17]

The main girl is pretty solid in Platinum End but they put her in a dumb cat suit. Some pretty questionable art with women in that series.

Edit:Hmm pretty solid may be an overstatement but her character foucused chapter is the best one in the series so I may have inflated it.

 

[caliph95]

Even as teenager i thought stuff like that the whole man's dream thing in Bakuman was weird Ohba is great writer but yeah

 

[NSESN]

I don't know if Oda is sexist or, please don't kill me, incompetent of writing and designing good female characters. The worst thing is that it wasn't that bad in the start of OP. I liked both Nami's and Robin's designs. But at the start there wasn't many females to begin with.

 

[Veelk]

I don't know if Oda is sexist or, please don't kill me, incompetent of writing and designing good female characters. The worst thing is that it wasn't that bad in the start of OP. I liked both Nami's and Robin's designs. But at the start there wasn't many females to begin with.

I know I've said this about a thousand times, but knowing an author's work is not knowing the author. Everyone has sexist tendencies. Oda, me, you. That's just an affect of the culture we live in and every culture has sexism, or nearly every. It's inescapable.

It's more about awareness and whether you care to do something about it. So, does Oda simply not know the subtext of what he is writing, and if he does, does he care?

We don't know. We literally cannot know just from his manga, nor even from the SBS which mostly do not have much thought put into them. This kinda stuff is something you need to know someone personally to actually pin down whether it's inherent to them as a personality or if it's just bullshit they don't know affects them.

I think this entire topic would be easier to approach if everyone didn't think they were personally attacking someone they feel they know and like.

 

[Ray Down]

Iwase is so bad it's almost funny.

 

[NSESN]

I know I've said this about a thousand times, but knowing an author's work is not knowing the author. Everyone has sexist tendencies. Oda, me, you. That's just an affect of the culture we live in and every culture has sexism, or nearly every. It's inescapable.

It's more about awareness and whether you care to do something about it. So, does Oda simply not know the subtext of what he is writing, and if he does, does he care?

We don't know. We literally cannot know just from his manga, nor even from the SBS which mostly do not have much thought put into them. This kinda stuff is something you need to know someone personally to actually pin down whether it's inherent to them as a personality or if it's just bullshit they don't know affects them.

I think this entire topic would be easier to approach if everyone didn't think they were personally attacking someone they feel they know and like.

I agree. The worst is that this was the arc to change things but it feels wasted.Big Mom, Reiju

Spoiler

,Pudding

were all different levels of disappointing for me

 

[caliph95]

Iwase is so bad it's almost funny.

Talking about Bakuman was she the rival?

 

[Lunar15]

I honestly don't know how to approach issues of sexism in japanese media anymore. The cultural divide is very real but that's not a great excuse because you have Miyazaki, the most famous anime director in the world making extremely female-centric films. We can't really sit there and say, "well, the culture in japan just isn't there yet", because there's enough examples of awareness in the country that I'm not sure we can go that way.

It's kinda crazy too considering you get something refreshingly political and progressive in Persona 5 only to have a lot of miscues in regards to how its treating its female characters and issues pertaining to women. Given some of the subject material it seems like these writers are the kind of people that should get female and homosexual issues, but they don't.

I want to say it's something that gets better when you have more women as gatekeepers in these industries, but I'm not positive because even with female writers, there's still a lot of cultural sticking points about gender roles in general that are pretty widespread and rigid.

 

[Ray Down]

Talking about Bakuman was she the rival?

Yeah .

 

[caliph95]

Yeah .

Is she? remind my memory is shit
We have the wife of the writer and all i remember is her character is being the wife
the really dumb romance that is basically a plot device though the take down of idol culture was good
The girl that was in love triangle though one of the guys was portrayed negatively whilte the other was a joke. I think the girl could be considered moe or something

 

[Ray Down]

Is she? remind my memory is shit
We have the wife of the writer and all i remember is her character is being the wife
the really dumb romance that is basically a plot device though the take down of idol culture was good
The girl that was in love triangle though one of the guys was portrayed negatively whilte the other was a joke. I think the girl could be considered moe or something

Kaya just become the token wife character is sad when she did alot more early one and had plenty of funny moments, especially when she shows up on the final cover with just a mop, lol

Miho is infuriating and may be worse, be she so nothing of a character and is only their for support for Mashiro.

Even though they have legit sweet moments, the series keeps ramming down the dream angle of not seeing each other...even though there's NO reason to keep following it. The manga keeps trying to justify it by having other characters comment on how sweet and lovey dovey their relationship is...

The other girl, must be Aoki...but she never had a love triangle angle. Fukuda helped her draw panty shots (yes this is an actual PLOT POINT), but never really got an angle either had feelings.

Though she as boring as Miho especially when the story just drops her story to make her just a love interest for Hiramaru, but at least that love sub plot is MUCH better than all the other just due to Hiramaru over the top depression and love for her, mixed with his manipulator editor. (who seems to be a joke about the real life editor, literally in D.Gray-Man omakes, they make jokes about the same editor being a mean manipulator.)

Iwase was the other girl that had a crush on Takagi, who wants to be his girlfriend if he gives up manga. He tells her to go away and she leaves. 70 or so chapters later, she shows up and just wants to rub it in Takagi face that she's a successful author and is WAY more successful than he is.

She then just decides to become a manga artist just to spite HIM for not say she is better than him. She then accused Takagi of acting superior, but Takagi tried to be graceful and complemented her superior beauty, brains, and writing abilities. Unfortunately, the mention of Miyoshi displeased her as she didn't know they're still together; she demanded Takagi to date her over Miyoshi if she's better than her, but Takagi likes Miyoshi more. Disappointed, she accused Takagi of lying to her and stormed off.

To prove her superiority, Iwase decided to venture into becoming a mangaka herself; this created a renewed one-sided rivalry with Takagi with her manga, but it was also her unusual attempt to convince Takagi she's the better woman to him in career and love. Unfortunately, her means to gain Takagi's attention failed as Takagi chose to marry Miyoshi. With her chances with Takagi gone, both Takagi and Iwase agreed to continue working hard with their mangas as colleagues in the field.

Most recently, she transferred her romantic feelings onto Hattori (she claim to have fallen in love with his editing abilities). However, Hattori felt pressured and uncomfortable in the matter. Spurned by the fact that no romantic interest ever returned her affections, she stopped pursuing romance altogether and focused on her work/competitive nature to become the best manga author.

Although she start to have romantic feeling Eiji who doing the art for her manga when Eiji acknowledge that she was talented which led Yujiro to worried and try tell him to take easy but Eiji reassure Yujiro that he is an eternal boy that why he write shonen manga it seam that this feeling did not progress much

She SO BAD!

 

[Ray Down]

From Sandman:
Editor Sugita revealed in an interview on June 19th that

- Whole Cake Island arc will be more exciting in the future.
- "Something" will happen on July 22nd. (OP chapter 1 was published on the day 20 years ago.)
- 2nd and 6th editors Habuta and Hattori are responsible for ONE PIECE Magazines.
- Oda's special mangas in OP Magazines (volume 1-3) are amazing.
- They consulted Oda several times when creating Ace novel.
- An amazing book will be released around the end of 2017.

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC20...tu.be&t=24m43s

 

[LotusHD]

But it's already exciting... D:

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

From Sandman:
Editor Sugita revealed in an interview on June 19th that

- Whole Cake Island arc will be more exciting in the future.
- "Something" will happen on July 22nd. (OP chapter 1 was published on the day 20 years ago.)
- 2nd and 6th editors Habuta and Hattori are responsible for ONE PIECE Magazines.
- Oda's special mangas in OP Magazines (volume 1-3) are amazing.
- They consulted Oda several times when creating Ace novel.
- An amazing book will be released around the end of 2017.

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC20...tu.be&t=24m43s

More exciting are ppl complaining? Or does oda not consider this exciting dear lord

 

[Chase17]

I'm glad that I may finally get some excitement from this arc.

 

[LotusHD]

I'm glad that I may finally get some excitement from this arc.

Right? It's been so boring so far.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Don't know if just PR speak.

Could "something special" be a redraw of chapter 1?

 

[Aaronrules380]

Don't know if just PR speak.

Could "something special" be a redraw of chapter 1?

It'll be a terrible live action adaption obviously

 

[Ray Down]

It'll be a terrible live action adaption obviously

Hollywood adaptation being made by Happy Madison.

 

[BatDan]

Hollywood adaptation being made by Happy Madison.

Rob Schneider is your average everyday boy living in a fishing village. Things are going pretty good, until... *record scratch*
Now he's made of rubber, stretching all over the place and getting in mischief.
Rob Schneider is Monkey D. Luffy. Rated PG-13

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Nah movie starts with luffy in a barrel swaying with the waves

*record scratch

I bet you're wondering why I'm stuck in this barrel let me tell ya

 

[LotusHD]

Nah movie starts with luffy in a barrel swaying with the waves

*record scratch

I bet you're wondering why I'm stuck in this barrel let me tell ya

And then the One Piece rap starts playing

 

[Imperial Bishop]

Don't know if just PR speak.

Could "something special" be a redraw of chapter 1?

With how busy Oda is, do you really think it's a good idea to have him redraw Chapter 1, which is over 50 pages?

 

[Lunar15]

Whole Cake Island feels like it should be ending. I really don't care about the riff-raff in this arc, so I hope that "more exciting" doesn't mean "Now we're going to go through all the fights".

They don't even feel necessary at this point. Germa's freed, Sanji's free, they can book it now. I get that Big Mom's crew is going to blockade them, but fighting just to escape doesn't really make me excited.

 

[Ray Down]

With how busy Oda is, do you really think it's a good idea to have him redraw Chapter 1, which is over 50 pages?

I mean Kishi was able to do 2 chapters in 1 week.

I doubt it that though.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I mean Kishi was able to do 2 chapters in 1 week.

I doubt it that though.

Kishi ain't sick and hiro did two chapters for back to back weeks Xp take that

 

[Ray Down]

Whole Cake Island feels like it should be ending. I really don't care about the riff-raff in this arc, so I hope that "more exciting" doesn't mean "Now we're going to go through all the fights".

They don't even feel necessary at this point. Germa's freed, Sanji's free, they can book it now. I get that Big Mom's crew is going to blockade them, but fighting just to escape doesn't really make me excited.

They can't run, there's no way to escape.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Leaving this arc with only luffy vs cracker as a concluded fight would kinda make me sour

 

[LotusHD]

Whole Cake Island feels like it should be ending. I really don't care about the riff-raff in this arc, so I hope that "more exciting" doesn't mean "Now we're going to go through all the fights".

They don't even feel necessary at this point. Germa's freed, Sanji's free, they can book it now. I get that Big Mom's crew is going to blockade them, but fighting just to escape doesn't really make me excited.

There will be some fights, and you will like it good sir.

 

[Ray Down]

Leaving this arc with only luffy vs cracker as a concluded fight would kinda make me sour

You'll get Sanji & Pudding baking cake and like it.

And I guess someone will hold off Big Mom till something.

 

[Lunar15]

They can't run, there's no way to escape.

Tell that to the tatembako

Leaving this arc with only luffy vs cracker as a concluded fight would kinda make me sour

There will be some fights, and you will like it good sir.

Why fight at this point? Just to fight? We got everything we needed to get from this island. We even know why Big Mom acts the way she does. There's nothing more that fighting can really draw out from this arc.

I get that there's still commanders to fight, but at this point they'll just be fighting to get out of there, which is infinitely less compelling than fighting for an ideal or to stop some kind of catastrophe.

 

[Ogodei]

Right? It's been so boring so far.

Chew chew, crunch. Yeah. Ish been gulp, person screams ish been real boring.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

I mean Kishi was able to do 2 chapters in 1 week.

I doubt it that though.

That's still a little over half the pages that a complete recreation of Chapter 1 of One Piece would need.

 

[Ray Down]

Tell that to the tatembako

The box won't just be used as a means to escape.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

The box won't just be used as a means to escape.

I don't see how it couldthe explosion won't hurt big mom if anything it'll make her more mad at them because as far as she knows the box came from the strawhats

 

[Ray Down]

I don't see how it couldthe explosion won't hurt big mom if anything it'll make her more mad at them because as far as she knows the box came from the strawhats

No I think the what people are thinking is the box will blow the bottom of the tower they are on and in the chaos with that they can escape.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

I'm glad that I may finally get some excitement from this arc.

Right? It's been so boring so far.

Not sure if you two are being serious or not, but these past couple of chapters have been high-tier One Piece excitement.
Maybe your tastes have just changed and you should take a break.

Whole Cake Island feels like it should be ending. I really don't care about the riff-raff in this arc, so I hope that "more exciting" doesn't mean "Now we're going to go through all the fights".

They don't even feel necessary at this point. Germa's freed, Sanji's free, they can book it now. I get that Big Mom's crew is going to blockade them, but fighting just to escape doesn't really make me excited.

They can't leave with the threat of Big Mom killing their loved ones still lingering around.
At the end of the arc, Big Mom is either going to be neutral on the Straw Hats or she's going to "owe them one" and let them leave for the time being.

 

[LotusHD]

Tell that to the tatembako





Why fight at this point? Just to fight? We got everything we needed to get from this island. We even know why Big Mom acts the way she does. There's nothing more that fighting can really draw out from this arc.

I get that there's still commanders to fight, but at this point they'll just be fighting to get out of there, which is infinitely less compelling than fighting for an ideal or to stop some kind of catastrophe.

What do you mean just to fight? Big Mom wants to kill them lmao, them just escaping without at least a few more notable fights seems far more anti-climatic, if not outright impossible, unless they come up with a marvelously satisfying escape plan. Some want Luffy and co. to manage to placate her, but I rather they not, kind of undercuts Big Mom saying with a ferocious intensity that she will NEVER forgive them.

Chew chew, crunch. Yeah. Ish been gulp, person screams ish been real boring.

What the hell did you do to your sarcasm detector....

Not sure if you two are being serious or not, but these past couple of chapters have been high-tier One Piece excitement.
Maybe your tastes have just changed and you should take a break.

Jesus, I know it's the internet, but I thought it was obvious I was kidding lol

 

[Ray Down]

Not sure if you two are being serious or not, but these past couple of chapters have been high-tier One Piece excitement.
Maybe your tastes have just changed and you should take a break.



They can't leave with the threat of Big Mom killing their loved ones still lingering around.
At the end of the arc, Big Mom is either going to be neutral on the Straw Hats or she's going to "owe them one" and let them leave for the time being.

This has to be the case, wonder how we will get to the point where Big Mom is willing to talk.

Also your sarcasm meter is broken

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

No I think the what people are thinking is the box will blow the bottom of the tower they are on and in the chaos with that they can escape.

The lamest climax I can imagine

 

[Imperial Bishop]

Jesus, I know it's the internet, but I thought it was obvious I was kidding lol

You should've made it more obvious then.

Spoiler

Black-leg has more skill in this department than you guys.

 

[Ray Down]

The lamest climax I can imagine

Baking is much better.