entremet
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Still not enough testing overall. Not a horrible plan, especially since it gives the Governor's authority.
I still think the thing has been massively underreported and underestimated. The issue is that there will still be interstate movement as well. There's no real federal leadership here.
There's also a lack of observing more successful countries--Germany, SK. Yes, I'm aware the US is much bigger and not apples to oranges.
I still think the thing has been massively underreported and underestimated. The issue is that there will still be interstate movement as well. There's no real federal leadership here.
There's also a lack of observing more successful countries--Germany, SK. Yes, I'm aware the US is much bigger and not apples to oranges.
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cryptoadam
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USA has done more testing than any other country in the world. There are 26 states that per captia have done more testing than SK.
New York per capita has done 3 times as many test as SK and more total test than SK as well.
New York per capita has done 3 times as many test as SK and more total test than SK as well.
diffusionx
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Everything I said is just as applicable to New York as everywhere else. I am saying this with significant skin in the game as I live in New York.
The states have enough tests. They're just claiming they don't to score political points on cable news.
Phunkydiabetic
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Is there a source for this? Or is this just part of your anti left schtick? Cause if that is true, wew lad. There is gonna be some shit when that bit of knowledge leaves this forum and enters the wilds.
Birx has said it at the briefing over the last two days, that the states have enough tests.
It's a CNN/MSNBC/ShareBlue talking point that there isn't enough tests.
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Leyasu
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Opening up when the entire country is still reporting 30+k new cases a day is risky. The time to bring that down with a strict lockdown would be weeks away as it is.... A partial lockdown could make that months.
Opening up individual states where the cases are already low and they are capable of testing and tracing should be the first to be considered. Which is seems is already the case. It is going to be tough for a bit in the US.
Whereas a one and done strict lockdown would have probably been the better solution. Get it down to new cases that are lower than 100 per day, then test/trace quarantine the outliers.
Good luck and stay safe my American cousins
Opening up individual states where the cases are already low and they are capable of testing and tracing should be the first to be considered. Which is seems is already the case. It is going to be tough for a bit in the US.
Whereas a one and done strict lockdown would have probably been the better solution. Get it down to new cases that are lower than 100 per day, then test/trace quarantine the outliers.
Good luck and stay safe my American cousins
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Phunkydiabetic
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Yeah but was there anything to back her statements up though? The bias is big with anything coming out of her mouth...
JLMC469
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My brother is a MD in New York and also have 2 friends who are also Doctors there. They say otherwise.
Those guidelines are trash. It looks like someone took 30 minutes on PowerPoint to make them.
Texas where I live is reopening which I find hilarious since we have zero test and trace ability. They won't even test you unless you're in dire condition so out infected numbers are completely unreliable.
Luckily I think any large city is telling the state to pound sand and stay closed. I'm in a suburb of Austin we haven't been affected too much. Even here you can't get tested though. It's a big lie that testing is readily available.
he also lied about the PPP being some amazing success. It was clumsy AF and only approved businesses that likely weren't going to fail anyways. I know this because I mange three different companies. 2 got approved and the one that didn't was completely shut down by covid19. The other two are doing great. How does that make sense?
oh and I could give two shits about being open or closed. I still work 50+ hours a week and don't qualify for the stimulus bc earn too much so I'm very much unbiased.
Texas where I live is reopening which I find hilarious since we have zero test and trace ability. They won't even test you unless you're in dire condition so out infected numbers are completely unreliable.
Luckily I think any large city is telling the state to pound sand and stay closed. I'm in a suburb of Austin we haven't been affected too much. Even here you can't get tested though. It's a big lie that testing is readily available.
You're so fervently gullible to what trump says it's sad. He's lying and you're dead wrong. I have family that have tried to be tested. I manage over 200 people and they've been told no. I've sent people home on self quarantine because we can't get them tested. It's a big fucking lie.
he also lied about the PPP being some amazing success. It was clumsy AF and only approved businesses that likely weren't going to fail anyways. I know this because I mange three different companies. 2 got approved and the one that didn't was completely shut down by covid19. The other two are doing great. How does that make sense?
oh and I could give two shits about being open or closed. I still work 50+ hours a week and don't qualify for the stimulus bc earn too much so I'm very much unbiased.
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entremet
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No, they don't. This has been refuted by epidemiologists.
Harvard experts say Massachusetts may need 1.4 million COVID tests
Massachusetts may need 1.4 million COVID-19 tests and ramp up to tens of thousands given a day, Harvard experts said.
news.harvard.edu
This whole topic should not be political at all. The entire West fucked up. Germany is the only shining light, really.
Scientists should be leading the pack in this discussion, not politicians and talking heads. And they've been clear, not enough testing capacity.
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TheTurboFD
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I saw a meme that said it best. Opening up the country now would be like stopping your dosage of antibiotics because you feel a "little" better instead of finishing it on the schedule prescribed.
darkestdame
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Oh we both know the answer to that.
Even if they try to open, which I don't think they will, people aren't rushing out to consume or work anyway, I don't know who they thinl they're fooling. The majority of American's still think the worst is coming.
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JLMC469
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It isn't but if people take anything Trump or the federal government as face value then you will be grossly misinformed. That turd of a human being has been spewing information that isn't true.
entremet
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Also, let's not forget the whole purpose of the shutdowns and social distancing was because of the lack of testing capacity and tracking.
If you can do massive testing and tracking, you can have less restrictive measures. We're just not there.
That's why the economy concern trolls need to focus on upping testing and tracking, instead of just blindly asking for the economy to be opened up completely. And that's where you use the levers of the Federal Government which can deficit spend. The states cannot.
If you can do massive testing and tracking, you can have less restrictive measures. We're just not there.
That's why the economy concern trolls need to focus on upping testing and tracking, instead of just blindly asking for the economy to be opened up completely. And that's where you use the levers of the Federal Government which can deficit spend. The states cannot.
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Phunkydiabetic
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Well to be fair there COULD be data backing that statement up, which is why I'm asking. It sounds bizarre that there has been widespread reporting of test shortages country wide, yet if the evil leftist media is spreading misinformation in order to push their evil agendas they should be dealt with.
So I feel asking for receipts on such a bold claim is warranted. And if no receipts can be produced it is quite disingenuous to be shitting up the corona virus thread with nonsense claims to push HIS political agenda. Like I said before, this thread was far more informative and interesting before everything became about american politics.
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JLMC469
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True.
Around 20-30 doctors from my graduating class are living in the states. My brother's class also has around the same amount. Different states (Republican and Democrat). You don't have the capacity, personnel and equipment: FACT.
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Hilarious considering you wrote the below without reading any of the guidelines at all.
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No, they don't. This has been refuted by epidemiologists.
Harvard experts say Massachusetts may need 1.4 million COVID tests
Massachusetts may need 1.4 million COVID-19 tests and ramp up to tens of thousands given a day, Harvard experts said.
I'm sorry, but that was posted on March 13th, which may as well have been a decade ago.
Amazing insight. You must know all about the numbers that we have and the numbers that each state needs to speak with such authority. Please do share with the group.
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JLMC469
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You have better ones?
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Richard Packer
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What about the general population who are being complete idiots. Going to beaches in Florida, protests in Michigan and Texas. The spring break videos. The person I quoted talking the most nonsense. People breaking into hospitals "to expose the truth." There is a whole lot of stupid going on in America right now. From the general population to the politician's. They are not handling this well.
entremet
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If you want a more updated source.
Here you go:
Paywalled so I'll excerpt. Bolded for emphasis. And that's the WSJ, which has a conservative editorial page and is massively pro-business.
What We Know About Coronavirus Tests, Treatment and Vaccines
After the Food and Drug Administration opened the door for authorized companies and labs to do virus testing, dozens of options are emerging. We are updating this guide regularly with what we learn about the state of testing and treatment across the U.S.
www.wsj.com
Prominent public-health doctors say far more testing is needed—and that simple things like an insufficient supply of swabs, testing chemicals and temporary sites to conduct tests are the limiting factors. "It's insane that we have the country shut down because of swabs," said Ashish Jha, a physician and director of the Harvard Global Health Institute. "It's swabs, it's reagents [test chemicals], it's all of it. The president could use the Defense Production Act, and he could use the Army Corps of Engineers to build testing facilities."
• He and other leading medical experts say the U.S. needs levels of testing that are roughly four times what exist now. Also called for, they said, is a greatly enhanced ability to do what is known as contact tracing, or the ability to find people who had contact with an infected person. Those contacts, plus many contacts of contacts, would need to be tested and perhaps quarantined for the rest of Americans to go about their lives safely.
• That widespread testing would need to show declining cases for at least 14 days, and ideally "very, very low numbers," to safely ease up current social-distancing rules, said Dr. Jha and others. Dr. Mark Rupp, chief of infectious diseases at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, called easing restrictions a complex decision that needs to be made locality by locality.
• Even after the pandemic subsides, the U.S. should have a long-term ability to do at least 750,000 tests weekly, former Food and Drug Administration commissioners Mark McClellan and Scott Gottlieb wrote with colleagues on April 7. And each U.S. region, they wrote, should continue to have beefed up ability to watch for and respond to outbreaks.
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Yes, we understand you hate Trump. How novel.
Would you also call the experts that worked to come up with the plan, including Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci "turds of humans" or spewers of information this is not true?
JLMC469
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I work in a Bank as a Financial Analyst , have a bachelors degree in Accounting with a minor in Finance, MBA in International Finance and I am a CPA.
My brothers an MD in NY, my aunt a Bio-Quemist, and know a couple of doctors (most are close friends) around the states.
This is what I go by.
My brothers an MD in NY, my aunt a Bio-Quemist, and know a couple of doctors (most are close friends) around the states.
This is what I go by.
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Why in the world do you think your being a financial analyst at a bank gives you any kind of special insight?
JLMC469
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Dr. Fauci is doing Gods work right know.
Phunkydiabetic
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Well if what Manabyte said is true, that Dr.Birx said there is more than enough tests for America, then yeah. Sounds like she is a spewer of information that is not true.
JLMC469
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I know how the finances are moving?
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I don't know, do you? Being a financial analyst isn't all that special. Tons of people are financial analysts and know very little beyond the exact things they work on at their company/institution.
Anyway, if anyone wants some good info on testing and testing capacity, here's a relevant portion from one of the recent task force press conferences.
Phunkydiabetic
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You bring up a good point and it just drives home how much fault in all this lies in politicians hands. The average joe is a fuckin moron apparently. For all the "fuck the government muh rights" type stuff it's amusing to see that the general population actually NEEDS the government to hold their hand and direct them through life. When left to their own accords they will do stupid things like go to the beach in the middle of a pandemic.
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Bad news if that's the case then... that would mean the experts are not infallible. Who do we believe then?
JLMC469
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Serious question, why do you think that's relevant to this discussion? If you have points to make, then make them. Dumbass appeals to authority without backing up your points using information that everyone can see is just posturing.
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Phunkydiabetic
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The doctors and nurses on the frontlines who have been saying for some time now that there is nowhere enough equipment to go around? And infallibility only goes so far when she works for the administration. At that point infallibility begins to mesh with bias.
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That was definitely a huge issue earlier as many hospitals were woefully unprepared for this. Haven't been seeing a ton of these stories recently, though, have you?
Richard Packer
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Totally agree. The lack of critical thinking is astonishing.
JLMC469
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darkestdame
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interesting that the assertion states were lying about testing wasn't backed up yet
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Did you time travel from the 90s Internet or something? Have fun, tough guy.
JLMC469
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Agree. It is worrisome.
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I'd like to identify what claims are even being made by the different states first. What are they specifically talking about when they say there are not enough tests?
Missed your addition. Really, now? You're going to claim that these experts' working with the federal government to fight this pandemic make them biased? That's a hell of a claim against their reputation and one that should be backed up.
How do you identify bias in experts, anyway? Is it just those that work with the government who should be suspected?
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Joe T.
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This represents the problem within the thread, though: conflating the overall national outlook versus the county by county approach. The US is obviously not treating the re-opening the same way country-wide. Many of the arguments I see within are getting tangled up on this point.
Even governors are getting caught up on this. Cuomo yesterday or Friday (days are blurring into each other) got caught off guard when a reporter asked if a northern region of the state with some big companies (Intel, etc) that wasn't hit hard by the virus could re-open - he had no answer because he seemed completely unaware of the numbers there. He should and so should every governor, this is not going to be a country or even state-wide re-opening, they're going to have to view the distinct areas of their state piece by piece.
Phunkydiabetic
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It has been shown time and again throughout history that people working for any administration are prone to pushing the narrative of said administration. In this specific case the administration repeatedly says "there is enough equipment for everyone!". Meanwhile frontline workers, physicians, doctors and nurses are all saying the exact opposite. Right across the country.
Next thing you know Dr. Birx, who is the Coronavirus Response Coordinator for the Trump Administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force, steps up and apparently says "there is enough equipment for everyone!" and you dont expect me to side eye a claim like that? With an overwhelming amount of people nation wide saying the opposite? What other conclusion can I draw from that other than "bias"?
darkestdame
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You didn't make the original claim that they overall were lying. If even source for one state was posted I would be surprised.