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Original Snake Voice David Hayter Has No Love For Hideo Kojima (Kotaku)
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I believe we might be all missing the point here.
Hayter showing no love for Kojima sounds like a broadcast to Konami to say - "I'm here guys and if you want me I'm open to your sequels even without Kojima."
That aside, it seems strange to me that the voice of metal gear in western countries never met the creator. Especially since Kojima met with Norman Redus and they never even got to make good on silent hills.
Hayter showing no love for Kojima sounds like a broadcast to Konami to say - "I'm here guys and if you want me I'm open to your sequels even without Kojima."
That aside, it seems strange to me that the voice of metal gear in western countries never met the creator. Especially since Kojima met with Norman Redus and they never even got to make good on silent hills.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I've been a translator/interpreter for 8 years so maybe
Stereogatari
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As good as V was (gameplay), I could never get used to Sutherland's voice. Hayter IS Snake.
NoctisVsStar
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Del Toro probably with those connections. It's not really strange since localization is handled by the US team.
I swear I've heard an interview where he said he met Kojima briefly, but I guess I'm mistaken. He was also in the live action portion of MGS4, although wasn't that produced by an outside studio?
It's 99% of his fame, but it's not even his primary career.
It's 99% of his fame, but it's not even his primary career.
UnemployedVillain
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??? Lack of understand of a foreign language says NOTHING about a person's intelligence. If that's how you read it, then you're reading way too much into it. He's saying that as a non-native or fluent English speaker, how would he be able to assess the quality of an English speakers performance? It's like people who prefer subbed anime to dubbed, but not because they think the dubs are bad (which they're perfectly capable of assessing), but because they think the subs are better (which they have no real way of assessing)
I don't think it's a stretch to think Kojima wanted someone Hollywood in MGS5. His love of American cinema is VERY apparent. From the original Big Boss being based off of Sean Connery and Snake Kurt Russell, to Policenauts characters being based off of the Lethal Weapon characters, Snatcher based off of Blade Runner/Harrison Ford...it's not a stretch he finally had enough acclaim to get a big name American actor and went with him
Yes. It's slowed down a lot for him, but he's still working as a screenwriter.
He's also gotten into directing, but results have been less than enthusiastic.
Kojima wasn't involved with the english versions of the games until probably 3. It was cast and directed by someone else. I mean hell he has stated that the english versions aren't canon. Also Norman Reedus is a famous actor of course he wants to meet him. He probably doesn't give a shit about an english voice actor.
TheGeniusArcana
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This was originally from game informer.
RedAssedApe
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errr...game informer did the interview.
It was the dumbest decision about MGSV.
RedAssedApe
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uh...jokingly or not he says as much in the interview.
GreyOcelot
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yeup. he doesn't need MGS for money. that's for sure. but you certainly can't underestimate that it's literally the only reason he gets recognized in public
wut. no. sutherland was absolutely great, and quite literally the last thing wrong with MGSV
I know. I posted in that thread. What was a much broader subject about MGS1 is now trying to be turned into a very public feud.
daTRUballin
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Aww man. I was going to make the Hayter joke. Oh well.
And even though Konami as a company are also assholes at least you appease them by saving millions of dollars on the games budget by using Hayter since he's a fan favorite anyway.
Death Metalist
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People keep talking and talking but all you ever hear him at cons and in interviews is doing the voice perfectly. Yet, people still keep bringing PW. He even does it in the newest interview.
If anyone has Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro on blu, you can see him do it there as well in a 20+ minute interview with him about his dub on Lupin III when asked what would Solid Snake say to Lupin.
GreyOcelot
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nope. hayter himself even speculated that he was replaced because he himself pushed the limits in terms of what VAs are paid with MGS4. it definitely stands to reason that they were fine with the change because the money was not substantially different
spazchicken
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I watched an interview yesterday where he said the voice doesn't hurt or harm his throat in any way.
Spacejaws
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For those saying the voice took a nose dive after 3 fucking hell did you see some of the shit they made him say? You could be the best va in the world but if you are given some really rubbish dialogue it pretty much gonna come across as garbage.
The entire script and dialogue of peace walker is atrocious. How can you be suprised the voice comes across as hammy, its the least of its problems and in my opinion probably a sympton of an aimless script/direction.
Hell Kiefer probably refused to say half the bullshit they gave him.
The entire script and dialogue of peace walker is atrocious. How can you be suprised the voice comes across as hammy, its the least of its problems and in my opinion probably a sympton of an aimless script/direction.
Hell Kiefer probably refused to say half the bullshit they gave him.
Really you think Hayter's salary was anywhere close to what Sutherland was paid? I would say there is orders of magnitude separating their paychecks.
I'm sure he would've taken a cut though. He did it during the re-recording of Twin Snakes just to make sure Konami got the original cast back. I truly believe Hayter loves the series enough to do something like that again.
Its because in PW and MGS4 he is noticeably worse than the entire cast. He was singlehandedly bringing the quality down.
GreyOcelot
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his voice was awful in PW. they very clearly asked him to try and make snake sound older and the best he could come up with was the frog in throat snake voice. not really sure why there's any other interpretation of this
Exactly my thoughts on the matter.
Was that his fault or the fucking voice direction he was being given. He has even spoken like normal before maybe he was told to speak differently.
GreyOcelot
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hayter's words, not mine. he literally said that he thought he was recast due to money
spazchicken
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Cold.
Maybe he was on the higher end for an VA but casting Sutherland certainly didn't save the any money and got them a lot less dialogue.
Do we actually know what they paid for Kiefer? I know people have this idea that Hollywood=big bucks, but Kiefer sure as hell isn't getting millions for his on-screen roles these days.
In a series that involves giant robots, clones, ninja cyborgs and poop jokes? No way.
Love Deterrence
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mgs belonged to hayter
mgs2 belonged to hayter
mgs3 belonged to hayter
mgs4 belonged to hayter
mgspw belonged to hayter
he earned those roles (whether he beat out the other guys or won by default/Kurt Russell saying no lol)
mgsvgz/tpp never belonged to hayter. that role wasn't his to begin with. how people dont seem to understand that (hayter included) is beyond me.
mgs2 belonged to hayter
mgs3 belonged to hayter
mgs4 belonged to hayter
mgspw belonged to hayter
he earned those roles (whether he beat out the other guys or won by default/Kurt Russell saying no lol)
mgsvgz/tpp never belonged to hayter. that role wasn't his to begin with. how people dont seem to understand that (hayter included) is beyond me.
triplestation
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wait, so it was possible that he voice snake after mgs4?
im not a big mgs fan but i had the impression that the only reason 24 voiced snake is because maybe hayter wasn't interested or something
anyway, i only consider snake, snake if its voiced by hayter
im not a big mgs fan but i had the impression that the only reason 24 voiced snake is because maybe hayter wasn't interested or something
anyway, i only consider snake, snake if its voiced by hayter
spazchicken
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Sutherland clashed with the rest of the cast in this way too. Everyone else sounded like a cartoon compared to him.
see:
If he doesnt have the range than why should he get hired? He needed to be able to do voices from 30-70 and he couldn't.
GreyOcelot
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there is. he's a one-note voice actor, when they asked him to do more, he couldn't do it. plain and simple. it took kojima pulling the cord to make the change. obvious that's not something kris zimmerman could change
Aeternus Malum
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I couldn't imagine any of Venom Snake's lines being delivered in the Hayter voice.
"I won't scatter your ashes to the heartless sea...you're all diamonds."
Wouldn't have been good with Hayter's voice IMO
"I won't scatter your ashes to the heartless sea...you're all diamonds."
Wouldn't have been good with Hayter's voice IMO
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Voice direction is critical. Something that is rarely mentioned. I could make the best voice actors sound bad if you put me in the director's seat.
This is just my speculation but didn't Konami and Kojima have their fallout because MGSV Ground Zeros and Phantom Pain had crazy budgets that Konami was no longer willing to pay after those games came out? To me they just said enough's enough.