Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend - dead
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As someone who grew up in South Africa, where being murdered in your sleep by burglars is more common than anyone would like, hearing a person at 4am in your house is your worst nightmare...
So tragic. :/
ElbowRocket
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If this goes to court he wont have a leg to stand on.
Slayer-33
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This is sick.. If that's what he thought he must feel like dying now... Damn the girl man... Terrible loss
Which city and how does it affect you?
Like Buttons said, the homicide rate in South Africa is so ridiculous, it looks like you can't ask those types of questions first.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
In 2010, 31.8 out of every 100,000 people were killed in South Africa. That's similar to the levels of Detroit and St. Louis. There were 14,748 intentional homicides in the United States that year. In South Africa, there were 15,940.
I also heard on NPR that South Africa can be a dangerous place and owning a gun is no small feat since the requirements are pretty strict and thus home defense is taken a bit more seriously with more thought behind it apparently.
ElbowRocket
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I live in Durban and when I hear gunshots I just stay indoors and sleep with a knife under my pillow..
Yeesh. I wanna visit there but the crime rate there scares the fuck out of me. I heard Cape Town o0isn't bad though.
They actually often target homes in gated communities or homes with security systems, as those are more likely to have valuables...
Why would you think that surprising your boyfriend at 4 AM in South Africa was a good idea?
ElbowRocket
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Yes I lived in CT for a while it really is a lot better.
Cape Town is pretty good, just don't visit Johannesburg
ezekielpacman
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Yeah SA is shitty but I am struggling to see how this makes sense in a reactive way. Surely there would have been audio and visual clues prior to shooting.
ezekielpacman
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No doubt, but to reach for your gun and shoot it between the eyes before doing anything else... just seems odd.
Depends how she was planning to surprise him.
Let's say he was in bed.
He may have been alerted to noise elsewhere in the house.
She may have been sneaking to the room, planning to announce her arrival only when she was literally next to him in bed.
In the time between there could have been plenty of scope for him to get worked into a lather of anxiety. He may have been preparing to literally shoot anyone who came through his bedroom door.
All purely speculative, but I think there's plenty of combinations of events that could lead to a conclusion where he didn't know who was there before it was too late.
ElbowRocket
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My middle name is Johannes..
https://mobile.twitter.com/reevasteenkamp/tweets
Her last few tweets (and retweets) are pretty depressing in hindsight
Her last few tweets (and retweets) are pretty depressing in hindsight
This means that the rate in urban areas is much higher and even Detroit wouldn't compare.
https://mobile.twitter.com/reevasteenkamp/tweets
Her last few tweets (and retweets) are pretty depressing in hindsight
"What do you have up your sleeve for your love tomorrow??? #getexcited #ValentinesDay"
Wow...so sad.
HotHamWater
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If only he'd been unarmed.
Makes no sense. This guy is a notorious athlete, I wouldn't be surprised if the first call he placed would be to his press agent/ high profile lawyer.
I would put my money on domestic violence. Would have been a friend or a relative, I MIGHT have believed the trespassing, but athletes have a sad.. track record when it comes to wives dying violently. Also, you can't see who's coming at you and yet you're able to place two fatal shots like a veteran hitman? considering the arm was probably a defensive wound, the whole "incident" seems quite fishy.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
PA: South African police have opened a murder case against Oscar Pistorius after his girlfriend was shot dead
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Tsk tsk.
edotherocket
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I can believe it was an accident.
I remember meeting a South African guy when I was on holiday in San Francisco and we had a conversation about gun control (it was around the time of Sandy Hook).
He told me in South Africa he carried a gun with him everywhere and he felt very passionate about his right to deliver lethal self defence. If someone burglarizes your home, kill them. Someone mugs you, kill them. He explained the high rate of homicides and sexual assaults in his country justified his position. In South Africa, I think he's probably right. It sounds like kill or be killed.
By comparison, if someone broke into my apartment in Australia, I think killing them would be an overreaction. It's far more likely that they want my tv, not to cause me grievous bodily harm.
I don't really understand why someone would live in South Africa if they had the means to leave. It seems like a ridiculously unsafe country.
I remember meeting a South African guy when I was on holiday in San Francisco and we had a conversation about gun control (it was around the time of Sandy Hook).
He told me in South Africa he carried a gun with him everywhere and he felt very passionate about his right to deliver lethal self defence. If someone burglarizes your home, kill them. Someone mugs you, kill them. He explained the high rate of homicides and sexual assaults in his country justified his position. In South Africa, I think he's probably right. It sounds like kill or be killed.
By comparison, if someone broke into my apartment in Australia, I think killing them would be an overreaction. It's far more likely that they want my tv, not to cause me grievous bodily harm.
I don't really understand why someone would live in South Africa if they had the means to leave. It seems like a ridiculously unsafe country.
Wealthy people stay in dangerous countries for a few reasons: they wouldn't be as wealthy in other countries, they wouldn't have their friends and family, they wouldn't have the same connections, and generally speaking people just don't like leaving 'home'.
Apparently the complex he lives in is extremely well guarded and burglary would be very rare. That makes me suspicious.
However it sounds like she may have survived until paramedics arrived. If that's true, then it's unlikely that he was intentionally trying to kill her.
Apparently the complex he lives in is extremely well guarded and burglary would be very rare. That makes me suspicious.
However it sounds like she may have survived until paramedics arrived. If that's true, then it's unlikely that he was intentionally trying to kill her.
Well he shot and killed her. Pretty sure he necessarily has to be charged, and then try and prove his innocence.
Yikes...
HotHamWater
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South African police say they are opposing bail and there were other witnesses to the shooting.
CrunchinJelly
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Uh-oh.
Ravensmash
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Slow down there Mr. Prosecution!
We really don't know enough about this to start using the domestic violence label.
Tragedy though.
ezekielpacman
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Not looking good.
Whaaaa-t? Other witnesses to the shooting itself?
Could a witness in this sense be someone who just heard a shot?
edit - police also saying that the story about a valentines wake-up surprise gone wrong also didn't come from them...although I guess they would say that, whether it was the case or not.
ElbowRocket
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He wont need those legs where he's going. He never asked for this..
perfectchaos007
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I guess he won't be playing more golf with Michael Phelps any time soon. He seemed like such a nice guy in interviews.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQeCsNCkaEU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQeCsNCkaEU
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