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Oscar Voter Reveals Her Brutally Honest Ballot: 'La La Land' "Not Memorable"

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An Academy voter makes her case for 'Hell or High Water' ("It will be remembered as a true American classic"), says Emma Stone wasn't "as wonderful as people are saying," and explains why Viola Davis is in the wrong category ("That really irks me").

Each year around this time, I sit down with an Oscar voter who, under the warm cloak of anonymity, spills his or her true feelings about the current season's crop of contenders. Not just what or whom he or she voted for, but exactly why and how that person came to those decisions. It's not meant to be a scientific survey; it's just the candid, unsugarcoated opinions of one member (out of 6,687) of the most important and powerful movie club in the world. Below is an edited transcript of one such conversation: This year it was with a longtime female member of the 1,158-member actors branch who — this season, anyway — is not associated with any of the nominees.
Best Picture
I hated Arrival — it just sucked. I didn't like Fences because they just filmed the play — I wanted to see the guy go into the jazz club and play his music, the girl who's having his baby, his kid on the football field. But I think Denzel [Washington, its producer/director/star] decided that every word of the script [by the late August Wilson] was so precious that he wasn't going to "mess" with it, and the movie suffered as a result. I loved the first half of Lion, but I felt like a different director and cinematographer made the second half. I thought Hidden Figures was wonderful — because it's a great story, not because it was especially hard to tell. It's almost like a glorified Movie of the Week. Moonlight and Hacksaw Ridge were really very good, but I don't think of them as a best picture. La La Land was tremendously enjoyable, but not all that deep or memorable. That left me with Manchester by the Sea and Hell or High Water, two compassionate movies that were incredibly well written, directed and acted. Hell or High Water isn't going to win, but it was my favorite, and it will be remembered as a true American classic.

My vote
(1) Hell or High Water
(2) Manchester by the Sea
(3) La La Land
(4) Hacksaw Ridge
(5) Moonlight
Best Director
Forget about Arrival [director Denis Villeneuve]. After that, it was tough. I decided not to go with Hacksaw Ridge, and not because of anything to do with Mel Gibson's personal problems — even though I'm Jewish. I think he's a different person now; he's a very talented director, and I wish him well. [Moonlight's] Barry Jenkins did a really good job, but the movie's three parts aren't as connected as they could have been. That left me with Manchester [Kenneth Lonergan] and La La Land [Damien Chazelle]. Damien is such a sweetheart; I loved what he did with Whiplash and this one, and he's probably going to win. But I voted for Lonergan, because it was harder to make everything click on that movie, and he really succeeded.

My vote
Kenneth Lonergan (Manchester by the Sea)
Best Actor
Denzel has played this role a million times before, and he got the Tony for it — I'm sure he was amazing onstage, but he didn't do anything unexpected on film. You've got to seem alive in the moment, and maybe if he'd gotten a really great director to direct him, that person would have nudged him to do that. [Hacksaw's] Andrew Garfield and [La La Land's] Ryan Gosling were very good, but not Oscar-level. [Manchester's] Casey Affleck had a role worthy of his brave acting, and he was absolutely wonderful. But I loved, loved, loved Viggo Mortensen's performance [in Captain Fantastic]. He is an actors' actor, and I voted for him. Unfortunately, it's probably the only vote he'll get.

My vote
Viggo Mortensen (Captain Fantastic)
Best Actress
I liked none of them. I thought Meryl [Streep in Florence Foster Jenkins] played it like a clown — she's cute and adorable, but this woman didn't matter to me in the end — but people are gaga over Meryl, and I think she solidified her nomination when she gave that speech at the Golden Globes. I don't think she would have gotten nominated without it. I hated Jackie so much — it was just shallow crap — so no Natalie Portman. [Elle's] Isabelle Huppert is an ice-cold actress, and I eliminated her because when you get attacked, beaten and raped, you're not the same person afterward, but she was, and I wanted to slap her to try to get a reaction out of her. The girl in La La Land [Emma Stone] is going to win because she's adorable and everybody loves her, but I don't think she was as wonderful as people are saying. That leaves me with Ruth Negga for Loving, who was fairly one-note, but engaging enough.

My vote
Ruth Negga (Loving)
Best Supporting Actor
I thought [Lion's] Dev Patel and the kid from Manchester [Lucas Hedges] were really good, but not great. The guy from Moonlight [Mahershala Ali] was good, but I don't think his character was that developed — I mean, he's this great guy, and then all of a sudden he just disappears. I really liked Michael Shannon in a movie that I didn't like [Nocturnal Animals] — in fact, I voted to nominate him. But my heart is with Jeff Bridges, because I loved [Hell or High Water]. The acting was sheer perfection. Jeff makes it look easy but, boy, what he does is not easy.

My vote
Jeff Bridges (Hell or High Water)
Best Supporting Actress
I immediately ruled out [Fences'] Viola Davis — don't get me wrong, I love her and I think she's wonderful, but that's my protest vote. She should have been in the lead actress category, and when the studios put these actresses who are clearly the lead in the supporting category — like they did with [The Danish Girl's] Alicia Vikander last year, even though she had more lines than the guy [Eddie Redmayne] — that really irks me. Because it prevents real supporting actresses, like the waitress in Hell or High Water [Margaret Bowman], from getting nominated. Viola will probably win, but she belonged in the leading lady category. I love [Hidden Figures'] Octavia Spencer, but I felt the other two women in the film [Taraji P. Henson and Janelle Monae] were better. Nicole [Kidman in Lion] wasn't all that different from everything else I've seen her do. So, for me, it was between Michelle [Williams for Manchester], for a true supporting part, and the gal from Moonlight [Naomie Harris]. Both of them were wonderful, but the gal from Moonlight went to places that were harder to go to.

My vote
Naomie Harris (Moonlight)
Best Adapted Screenplay
As you know, I hated Arrival. The Lion script was uneven. I didn't really consider Fences because I don't think it was adapted. So it came down to Moonlight and Hidden Figures, and I just thought the story of Moonlight was more of a challenge to tell.

My vote
Moonlight
Best Original Screenplay
20th Century Women was cute, but it didn't fully work. The Lobster was interesting but a little bit weird for me. La La Land was very light. So I was torn between Manchester and Hell or High Water. [Manchester's] Lonergan is very bright and wrote a brilliant screenplay, but I have to go with Hell or High Water, even though it doesn't have a chance of winning.

My vote

Hell or High Water
Best Animated Feature
I watched them all and liked several of them, but I loved The Red Turtle, which was the most profound of the group.

My vote
The Red Turtle
Best Documentary Feature
I'm ruling out O.J. [Made in America] even though I still have an hour of it left to watch — maybe for younger people this is new stuff, but for me it's just reliving a part of the past I don't need to relive. I was disappointed with I Am Not Your Negro — I was really looking forward to learning more about James Baldwin's life, rather than his ideas (which I already knew), because when I first came to New York as a young actress, he was such an avant-garde playwright and fascinating guy. Three-quarters of Ava DuVernay's movie [13th] was wonderful, but the last quarter was so preachy that I felt like I was hit over the head, which was a turnoff. They did a really good job with Fire at Sea, except I hated that little kid in it — killing birds and cutting up cacti and all of that. I voted for Life, Animated because I thought it was a positive story, how the parents took a massive challenge and made something of it.

My vote
Life, Animated
Best Foreign-Language Film
I hated the German movie [Toni Erdmann] so much because it was so shticky — Germans are not funny! The only part of the whole movie where I laughed was when she couldn't get out of her tight dress and just ripped it off and went around naked. I hear Jack Nicholson is going to be in a remake, and he might make it funny. The other four were beautifully done, so it was hard. The Australian one [Tanna] was gorgeously photographed. Land of Mine really captured the horrors of war. The Salesman will probably win because there will be a big protest vote about [writer-director Asghar Farhadi] not being able to get into this country [because of Trump's travel ban, now under a stay]. But my heart was with [Sweden's] A Man Called Ove. There's something life-affirming about that movie.

My vote
A Man Called Ove
Best Cinematography
Arrival is definitely out. Silence had beautiful photography, but I hated that movie so much, with all the Christian stuff beating me over the head — I mean, c’mon, Marty [Scorsese, its director]! Moonlight and the first half of Lion had some impressive stuff. But I voted for La La Land — the cinematography really elevated the movie.

My vote
La La Land

The rest of her thoughts and votes in other categories are at the link.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...ryl-streep-like-a-clown-la-la-land-not-memora

So what do you think of this voter's opinions? At the very least they're entertaining to read. LOL
 
Yikes, what was her problem with Arrival?
Most everything else made sense enough, but it seemed she didn't even want to consider Arrival.
 

daffy

Banned
I've seen better impressions in the movie gaf thread. Seems like you really just wanted to show us someone thought la la land was unremarkable
 

NYR

Member
La La Land is pretentious garbage. the fact it got nominated for best costume design (!) goes to show how in the tank this movie is - it's a Hollywood movie about Hollywood. Hope it loses. It is the next "Crash" and "Hurt Locker", no one will remember it 5 or 10 years from now.
 
Jesus cannot get behind her hate boner for Arrival. Also don't like the way she dismissed Silence for Cinematography.

But to be honest I am came in expecting this voter to have not seen the animated pictures because that is how this often goes but I'm pleasantly surprised with her nomination of The Red Turtle.

Holy shit, an Oscar voter that watched an animated movie besides Disney?

^beaten like a foreign animated picture.
 
Yikes, what was her problem with Arrival?
Most everything else made sense enough, but it seemed she didn't even want to consider Arrival.

Arrival is weird in that it's such a great movie in all respects except that real dumb plot premise.

Seriously knowing a language let's you see into the future? Dumb.
 

Monocle

Member
Her stupid hot takes should disqualify her votes immediately.

Dismissing Arrival for cinematography of all things? Fuck outta here.
 

marrec

Banned
Oscar Voter gots opinions.

Wonder what her problem with Arrival was :lol

Can't hate though I enjoy Hell or High Water much more than La La Land.
 
I've seen better impressions in the movie gaf thread. Seems like you really just wanted to show us someone thought la la land was unremarkable

Is this an accusation against me? It couldn't possibly be I created this thread just to show how strongly opinionated, biased, and political Oscar voters are. By the way, I loved La La Land.
 

Barzul

Member
Her argument on VIola is definitely spot on. Can't see how you watch Fences and come out with the idea that her role is a supporting one.
 
I don't know what it was about Arrival that set her off - but holding that against its CINEMATOGRAPHY seems extra-petty.

Gotta admit: Love that she's voting Hell or High Water so strongly, though. That movie was fucking great.
 

marrec

Banned
Her argument on VIola is definitely spot on. Can't see how you watch Fences and come out with the idea that her role is a supporting one.

A lot of what she said about Fences is correct, but it's still a tremendous movie on Denzel and Viola's performance.
 

Window

Member
Such great insights and reasonings.

I never understand why things like "an actor's actor" or "a comedian's comedian" are considered such high praise. I guess it's people patting themselves on the back for their refined taste and knowledge which allows them to make appreciate such talents.
 

Five

Banned
Is this an accusation against me? It couldn't possibly be I created this thread just to show how strongly opinionated, biased, and political Oscar voters are. By the way, I loved La La Land.

This is one sample in almost seven thousand. Its statistical relevance is essentially zero.
 
Jeez, I'd actually like to know what she didn't like about Arrival. Movie is one of my favorites of all time now. I mean she described why she didn't think Fences worked out so well, but Arrival just sucks?

Still enjoy reading these things, always interesting to see more into why people voted for certain films even if it can be bizarre. Some of her complaints though, like she's disregarding a movie from other categories all because of a completely different aspect. Like agreeing that she liked Silence but because of the Christian stuff it can't win cinematography?
 

Jarmel

Banned
[Arrival is definitely out. Silence had beautiful photography, but I hated that movie so much, with all the Christian stuff beating me over the head — I mean, c’mon, Marty [Scorsese, its director]! Moonlight and the first half of Lion had some impressive stuff. But I voted for La La Land — the cinematography really elevated the movie.

Ignoring the Arrival hateboner, she's willing to ignore Silence's strong photography because she doesn't like the movie in general?
 
I think it shows how, well, fucking weird and out of touch most Oscar voters are and why there needs to be a new infusion of people into the vote. Every single one of her complaints had nothing to do with the films as, well, films. They are all petty shit she hates about the actors, directors, or the people involved and not the films involved.
 
This is one sample in almost seven thousand. Its statistical relevance is essentially zero.

What does that have to do with anything? It's still interesting and entertaining as hell to read an Oscar voter give their hot take on the nominees and their choices.
 

Laieon

Member
I absolutely loved La La Land and I usually hate musicals that aren't animated or Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny.

Thought Arrival was good, but not great.
 

Aureon

Please do not let me serve on a jury. I am actually a crazy person.
Man that's some strong hate for Arrival, and not even a takedown. If this was fiction i'd guess there was a juicy motive behind it.
 
And now people see how Oscar voting actually happens and why there's such a push for voting membership to be diverse. Not just racially, but across various viewpoints, regions, and careers.
 

Bladenic

Member
I agree with her on some points. Namely that Viola Davis belonged in the lead category and that Taraji and Janelle were better than Octavia from Hidden Figures.
 
La La Land is pretentious garbage. the fact it got nominated for best costumer design (!) goes to show how in the tank this movie is - it's a Hollywood movie about Hollywood. Hope it loses. It is the next "Crash" and "Hurt Locker", no one will remember it 5 or 10 years from now.

I thought it was fun, the ending was touching, and I'm going to buy the BluRay when it comes out, so I definitely don't agree that's it's garbage. But yeah, Crash and Hurt Locker are good comparisons as far as it's longevity goes, I also really doubt anyone will be discussing this as one of the greatest movies of the decade or anything like that.
 

Vectorman

Banned
Love her support for Hell or High Water. Her trashing Arrival definitely made me go :/. Also didn't care for dismissing Silence cause of the Christian overtones. Like what the hell, it was nominated for cinematography, not the screenplay.

EDIT: I remember Hurt Locker ;_;
 

FTF

Member
It's nice to know I'm a better critic, moviegoer, film watcher and reviewer than some in the academy.
 
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